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The result was delete. Fenix down (talk) 22:19, 17 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Croatia at the 2002 FIFA World Cup (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log)

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We already have Croatia at the FIFA World Cup, which covers this in enough detail. In addition to that, this article does not significantly expand upon the content already found at 2002 FIFA World Cup qualification – UEFA Group 6, 2002 FIFA World Cup Group G and 2002 FIFA World Cup squads so, to me, this seems like unnecessary duplication of content. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 14:20, 10 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I am also nominating these for the same reason:

Croatia at the 2006 FIFA World Cup (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Football-related deletion discussions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 14:21, 10 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Croatia-related deletion discussions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 14:21, 10 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 14:26, 10 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per nom; Croatia at the FIFA World Cup is enough. Nehme₁₄₉₉ 14:28, 10 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - unnecessary content fork. GiantSnowman 14:31, 10 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete both articles per nominator, unnecessary duplications JW 1961 ^Talk 14:36, 10 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Merging this information back into Croatia at the World Cup would be unwieldy per WP:SPLIT. It's clearly notable and a valid content fork similar to a season article, just needs to be sourced better, and I don't see an issue with duplication considering this covers a specific topic of interest. SportingFlyer T·C 20:56, 10 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It's not really a notability issue but more a consistency issue and the deletion of these articles would follow previous consensus. Going through previous AfDs, I have found that there was quite strong consensus to delete Iran at the 1998 FIFA World Cup, Hungary at the 1966 FIFA World Cup and Iran at the 2006 FIFA World Cup, all of which were the same type of article as these ones. I'm also aware that the active Hungary AfD is also heading towards a delete consensus. A valid ATD might be to redirect to the relevant section of Croatia at the FIFA World Cup, which seems to be what has been done with the Iran ones post-AfD. The Croatia at the FIFA World Cup article seems totally sufficient to me, if people want to see more detailed coverage of the group stage matches, there is a link there that they can click. Adding a link to the qualifying group from that article would essentially eliminate any need for this article, in my view, as the exact same info would be only one click away. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 22:26, 10 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Consistency doesn't matter when notability exists and the fork is valid. We have the parent article, both of these articles have additional information above and beyond what exists at the parent article, especially relating to qualifying, and we're losing information deleting them. I would understand the nomination if they were mere copy-pastes, but that's not the case: this will be a loss for anyone looking for specific Croatian coverage of these events in English (these types of articles exist in several different languages, so there's clearly an encyclopaedic element to them.) SportingFlyer T·C 22:37, 10 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I've now merged/rewritten everything except the qualifying statistics table into the main article. Still object to what appears to be the inevitable deletion. SportingFlyer T·C 11:25, 13 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - There doesn't need to be this much info. – PeeJay 22:30, 10 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Agree, Croatia at the FIFA World Cup seems to cover well enough, that article could be sourced better know. Govvy (talk) 09:58, 12 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment - Has anyone considered nominating the other articles in this series for deletion too? There are articles on the 1998, 2014 and 2018 World Cups that have apparently been overlooked. – PeeJay 16:08, 16 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • I again don't support deleting any of these, but the 1998 and 2018 Croatia World Cups were "especially" notable because of their third (in the first World Cup they were eligible for after independence) and second-placed finishes, for instance both articles could easily be supplemented with text from the French and German Wikipedia articles, while the 2014 article has prose to go with the statistics, unlike these two articles. I will fight for their inclusion. SportingFlyer T·C 16:25, 16 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • You can !vote whatever way you like, no one is stopping you. I'm just wondering why the 2002 and 2006 articles were nominated but not the 1998, 2014 and 2018 ones. – PeeJay 16:30, 16 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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