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The result was merge to Donald Trump on social media. —CYBERPOWER (Chat) 09:46, 7 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

A quick glance shows opinions are all over the place. Some of them well grounded, and others not so. While consensus isn't immediately apparent, I will not a merge discussion taking place at the same time. I didn't look to heavily into that discussion but it appeared to be leaning towards a merge close. Likewise some users thought merging the article was the most appropriate action as well. The keep votes made convincing arguments that establish notility, while the delete made good arguments why despite being notable, it shouldn't be an article. It was clear to me that Covfefe requires a place somewhere on Wikipedia so it appeared the best solution to this problem is to merge it into the suggested article.—CYBERPOWER (Chat) 17:55, 11 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Wow. Seriously? This is an obvious case of WP:NOTNEWS. feminist 09:40, 31 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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• Clearly the UK's Independent, Daily Mail and Guardian, among many others, disagree. All have it on the splash screen/home page. Mashable and most other popular web magazines have also given it prominence. Against deletion. Alexandermcnabb (talk) 09:52, 31 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Wait (then probably Merge to wherever it is we merge the meme-generating minor Trump incidents). Splash pages on newspaper websites is not an indication that something is not news, but as it's still only about 6 hours (all of them night in the US) since this happened it's far too early to know whether long-term this will merit a sentence or an article. The article creation was premature, but given that it was created this deletion nomination is also premature. Thryduulf (talk) 10:16, 31 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • I briefly considered waiting a while before nominating this for AfD, but decided to bring this here anyway seeing how Covfefe is salted due to repeated recreation. Timeline of the Trump presidency, 2017 Q2 is a possible merger target if this is to be mentioned in detail. feminist 10:24, 31 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep important, groundbreaking article. Will be useful to historians that want to trace the emergence of the second dark ages and Trump's reign of terror. Crucial historical document. This is not the place to pay partisan politics and cover up for Daddy, Trumpkins. 2600:1017:B412:5FA5:A58C:E7D4:A132:5E0B (talk) 17:33, 1 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • • I've redirected Covfefe to Covfefe incident (presumably this hadn't happened as those deleting the former were unaware of the latter). That page being repeatedly recreated though still doesn't make this nomination any less premature. It is by definition impossible to tell whether

WP:NOTNEWS applies to something until there is either sufficient information about the subject to make it clear that there is more to it than a flash-in-the-pan news event or that there is no enduring coverage. How long that takes varies, but for something like this it's going to be about 36-48 hours at absolute minimum. Nominations before that time (on NOTNEWS or similar grounds) are just a waste of everybody's time (and sometimes WP:POINT violations, but I don't think that's true here). Thryduulf (talk) 10:42, 31 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• KEEP: Notable social media event.Dpm12 (talk) 04:21, 31 May 2017 (PDT)
• (Agree, KEEP, notable/notorious social media event - and funny! Groogle365 (talk) 11:52, 31 May 2017
• This is a key moment in the Trump presidency, and the article should be kept for historical reasons. The covfefe incident was also a major international news item appearing on the BBC website front page on 31 May 2017. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Steve stewart (talk • contribs) 12:04, 31 May 2017 (UTC) — Steve stewart (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

This is a new account with no other contributions Anarcho-authoritarian (talk) 12:13, 31 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• UPDATED: Delete or Merge: If "Ed balls day" isn't worthy of an article, this doesn't even close. It's not particularly funny. Just because a money smashed his keyboard before falling asleep. Seddon ^talk 11:55, 31 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ed Balls day tweet should be its own article. I think the reason it was not wasn't because of notability but for WP:BLP reasons (ie, Ed Balls looks like an idiot). —Мандичка^YO 😜 18:12, 31 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Not at all notable, this page shows exactly what Wikipedia should not be. See deletion discussion of tea lizard for a similar case Anarcho-authoritarian (talk) 12:12, 31 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • That discussion can be found at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tea Lizard. Thryduulf (talk) 12:17, 31 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: Not eligible for an article in an encyclopedia, it's simply not notable. Mellk (talk) 12:15, 31 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: I had also PRODed the article as a clear case of WP:NOTNEWS. There is no enduring notability. --Crystallizedcarbon (talk) 12:37, 31 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete as textbook NOTNEWS. Mr Ernie (talk) 13:12, 31 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. Not even news. Non-notable twitter fail. Jonathunder (talk) 13:40, 31 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Merge to Donald Trump's use of social media per an excellent analysis below by Mr rnddude. Jonathunder (talk) 14:06, 6 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - NOTNEWS. Ceosad (talk) 13:49, 31 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Merge to Donald Trump's use of social media. Ceosad (talk) 16:47, 31 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - NOTNEWS - not notable - still developing. This is not what Wiki is for. Can't we do something constructive? Garchy (talk) 14:08, 31 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - NOTNEWS - not notable - Since when are typo's notable ? even when made by an elected official. - Mlpearc (open channel) 14:13, 31 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep or merge to larger article Twitter activity of Donald Trump. This meets WP:GNG, bigly.[1] —Мандичка^YO 😜 14:15, 31 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Wikimandia: The last point of WP:GNG reads: "Presumed means that significant coverage in reliable sources creates an assumption, not a guarantee, that a subject should be included. A more in-depth discussion might conclude that the topic actually should not have a stand-alone article—perhaps because it violates what Wikipedia is not,..." in this case there seems to be a consensus that it violates WP:NOTNEWS. Regards. --Crystallizedcarbon (talk) 14:35, 31 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I understand GNG. Many memes and gaffes have notable, lasting affects beyond initial incident, and thus have their own articles that have held up. I agree with the analysis in the link I included from CNN. —Мандичка^YO 😜 14:39, 31 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Wait/Keep for now: it's a developing phenomenon which may yet acquire greater notability than it has already. —ajf (talk) 14:17, 31 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Internet phenomena, when covered by reputable sources such as the NY Times, CNN, and even the BBC the BBC, have established sufficient notability to get a project article. People are too quick to delete around here. At the very least it should be a redirect to something appropriate, as it will be a word people search for. ValarianB (talk) 14:39, 31 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hi ValarianB, I believe you meant to link this article? The "BBC" in your comment is linking to this discussion page we're at. Saturnalia0 (talk) 15:29, 31 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed, thanks, too many tabs open! :) ValarianB (talk) 16:11, 31 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. Wikipedia is not a blog of typos, no matter how prominent the typist. -- Mikeblas (talk) 14:42, 31 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep: Make Wikipedia great again. Hektor (talk) 14:43, 31 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. This is not notable. The media is just playing partisan politics and painting Trump in a bad light as usual. F2Milk (talk) 14:47, 31 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. I don't even think this is noteworthy enough for a mention in another article, let alone an entire article of its own. -IagoQnsi (talk) 14:55, 31 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Covfefe. A very obvious case. ETA: I thought the whole thing was just funny at first, but there's a decent "keep" case here; I suspect the best result in the short time is a quick "no consensus" close and we can revisit in a few weeks or months.--Milowent • ^hasspoken 15:05, 31 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep on the merits, but merits aside, a couple points:

Article easily meets the WP:GNG -- easily, no question. I've seen the GNG as cited as a policy more or less along the lines of "Does not meet GNG and so must deleted regardless of vote or other considerations". The GNG is not a policy, but you do see that. Well but what's sauce for the goose sauce for the gander. If the GNG is to be treated that strongly, then an article like that clearly meets it must be kept (if it doesn't violate other policy like WP:V or WP:BLP etc.) whether we want to or not. It's not a vote -- policy trumps. I don't treat the GNG as policy, but some people do. And if the closer does, he doesn't really have a choice here.

As a general good practice, I wish people would wait a couple months at least before nominating current events articles. Make a not and come back to it. For a couple reasons:

• It's a lot harder to judge long term importance when you're right on top of the event; we have to guess. Give it a little time to see how it shakes out so we can make educated votes/comments.
• To the extent the article is useful at all, it is most useful near to the event. That's not to say it won't be useful a year from now or ten years from now or thirty -- maybe it will, maybe not -- but even if it is, it is most useful now, to the general public. But (I think that) sending an article to AfD puts a __NOINDEX__ tag on, so it won't come up high in Google results, so the general public can't easily access the article. Could we have a little patience maybe? I wish people would not do this.

Because of all this, even if I didn't think the article was OK on the merits, I would be inclined to vote "Keep, don't do this now, renominate in a few months". Herostratus (talk) 15:09, 31 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

What you just listed is all the reasons that this should have never existed, not reasons why it should exist. — Smuckola(talk) 15:15, 31 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

"Easily meets WP:GNG" is a good reason for an article not existing? Herostratus (talk) 16:03, 31 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Copying over some stuff I wrote elsewhere... to to some degree this is an "other stuff exists" argument, so how you take it depends on whether you think these other articles should exist, or not. But here goes. Here's some more similar-type articles with pageviews (all are pageviews per day over the last 90 days):

• Jimmy Carter rabbit incident - 339 pageviews
• George H. W. Bush vomiting incident - 221
• Bill Clinton haircut controversy - 56; its just a redirect.
• Dick Cheney hunting incident - 681, wow.
• Binders full of women - 158
• Ed Miliband bacon sandwich photograph - 179

These are reasonably good numbers. Whether this article will settle at numbers like this we can't know, but why not? None of our rules or practices mention pageviews, but IMO it's reasonable to look at those numbers and figure that the existence of the articles is a service to the public, and that that might matter. Whether it matters or not is matter of opinion.

But that's one article for George W. Bush, one for Clinton. etc. There may be a couple more, but not many. And unlike ever before, the current president generates something like this about every two weeks (see Trump orb etc.); it's quite a different situation (no judgement, just fact. Whether it's the media being silly or its something else doesn't matter. Cause of notability is not our concern.)

Let's see, every two weeks for four years -- that's 100 articles. Eight years, 200 articles. But lots of categories have 100-200 articles or more. But on the other hand, we have separate articles on all the moon landings, but if they were occurring every two weeks, would we still? Well actually we probably would if they were big news and got lots of coverage. It's just a fact that the current president generates "rabbit incident" type news at an extremely elevated rate, and this gets massive coverage.

If there was a major train wreck (or whatever) in the US every two weeks, probably significant coverage would drop off -- paragraph on page five, "Another train wreck". It's not happening here. We might think it's silly for this stuff to keep getting major coverage, but our job is to document what is notable, not what we think or wish should be notable. This is notable by our own standards as laid out at WP:GNG. Herostratus (talk) 16:03, 31 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

How you can compare the notability of the VP shooting someone else in a hunting accident vs a typo on a twitter post? The media has an obsession with reporting every single thing that Trump does - we should be better than that (see WP:FART). Mr Ernie (talk) 16:25, 31 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Here's the shooter warning the media Trump's Twitter account will one day rise up and destroy them all. They thought he was half-kidding, of course. InedibleHulk (talk) 17:40, 31 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

"The media has an obsession with reporting every single thing that Trump does" -- that is true. My personal opinion is that's it's silly, destructive, and I wish they wouldn't. So? We do not delete articles on the basis of "Highly notable, good article, but I think the subject is silly"... "Highly notable, good article, but the fact that this is notable is destructive to the American and world political system, so delete"... "Highly notable, good article, but I wish it wasn't notable, so delete". We're supposed to report what is notable, not what we wish was notable. See the difference?

President Trump's tweets are notable because they are widely reported. Why they are widely reported is not our concern. But FWIW there's certainly good reason -- they are widely reported (Unlike Obama's; he tweeted too, did you even know that?) because they contain new material. Obama's tweets were carefully considered and part of an overall communication strategy, so they were boring and unimportant (they didn't say anything that wasn't also said through normal channels). Trump's tweets are just objectively different, and so they are treated differently. Ignoring this fact doesn't help anyone. Herostratus (talk) 19:33, 31 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I haven't ever heard of the other examples, but the Miliband bacon sandwich is still being talked about - here, for example. But I seriously don't think covfefe will be being talked about in three years time.  Seagull123  Φ  21:16, 1 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete not encyclopedic, not noteworthy, WP:NOTNEWS WP:RECENT WP:UNDUE — Smuckola(talk) 15:15, 31 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep this is about as consequential as this presidency has been thus far. -VJ (talk) 15:13, 31 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. This is a developing phenomenon and I think time is needed to see at what level of notability it ultimately settles at. Shan246 (talk) 15:15, 31 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep for now and revisit in 1.5-2 months or so to see if there is still significant coverage then. This may well become a notable neologism, or the story may die down and disappear. Right now it is hard to tell, although there are signs pointing that the former is more likely than the latter. There is an article in The Guardian today titled Covfefe is a word now. Deal with it. on this point. Nsk92 (talk) 15:19, 31 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Covfefe per WP:GNG. Compy book (talk) 15:25, 31 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. I was shocked to see this being shared on my Facebook timeline. We are not some sort of blog or gossip site posting every trivial nonsense that happens in the world. Mentioning this in Trump's article is one thing, but having a separate article just for this is a definite no-no. Again, please delete for the sake of Wikipedia's reputation. Rehman 15:28, 31 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep, significant covfefe in reliable sources. —anemoneprojectors— 15:30, 31 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. Easily meets WP:GNG and clears the NOTNEWS hurdle as demonstrated by sources both in the article, at this AFD, and through a Google News Search. It's hardly routine or mundane, and this tweet got far more coverage than typical Trump tweets. Really there should be an article about Donald Trump's use of social media that can collect all incidents of this type. ---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 15:34, 31 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Since my redlink got created, I'll have to say with my keep vote, but would prefer merging content to the social media article over deletion for now, to wait and see how converage unfolds. ---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 17:54, 31 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. Covfefe is a perfectly cromulent and well-sourced article. --Golbez (talk) 15:45, 31 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep, per arguments by ValarianB, Milowent, and Patar_knight. I also support the creation of Donald Trump's use of social media article (per suggestion of Patar_knight). This tweet belongs to :Wikiquote, and the word should have its separate entry in Wiktionary, too. :-) -Mardus /talk 15:48, 31 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Mardus and Patar knight: This is what I suggested too, above, but Twitter account of Donald Trump. I'm not sure if he does other social media, but the point is, it warrants its own article regardless of the title. —Мандичка^YO 😜 15:50, 31 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. This is Wikipedia for Pete's sake, not Know Your Meme. Can we have the slightest element of class and not focus on every single little tabloid thing? Someone tweeted something dumb/misspelled. It's not worthy of a wiki article. 15:48, 31 May 2017 (UTC) MagicatthemovieS (talk) 15:19, 31 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Internet memes has about 1,000 articles. Herostratus (talk) 16:05, 31 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete, this was a one-time, admittedly funny mistake that gained some fun momentum. However, it's hardly worthy of its own article. I would support creating a Social media use of Donald Trump article, though, since this topic (mainly his use of Twitter) has been a matter of discussion in many reliable sources. κατάσταση 15:54, 31 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete, Wikipedia:Recentism effect of a relatively minor twitter typo/mistake. Wikipedia isn't a NPOV news outlet —72 _talk 15:57, 31 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete and salt the earth for 1000 years, what a load of crap. FACE WITH TEARS OF JOY ^[u+1F602] 16:00, 31 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete for all the above reasons. ed g2s • talk 16:01, 31 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per NOTNEWS and everything else said above. Seriously a made up word in a tweet? This is an "incident" that needs to be covered? Just let the Internet mock it and forget it in 24-48 hours. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:05, 31 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• No consensus. I explicitly think that a NC close is the best outcome here. Especially regarding this sort of high-profile event, the project does not have (and perhaps cannot have) a good distinction between material that should be excluded under NOTNEWS and material that arises from current events but that does warrant inclusion. In any case, I strongly encourage the eventual outcome to be the one proposed by several editors above: an article at social media use of Donald Trump, use of Twitter by Donald Trump, or some comparably-titled form. Individually, these are de minimis news stories; in the aggregate, they are a legitimate topic. And, more importantly, the umbrella topic is one that is recognized and discussed in reliable sources, so bundling the content in this manner will not constitute original research. I consider it bad form to advocate a merge to a nonexistent target article at AFD, however (should that change before the timer on this discussion expires, consider this instead to be a !vote for the merger outcome). Squeamish Ossifrage (talk) 16:06, 31 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • (1) This has only been open for a few hours, (2) the strength of arguments matters more than a tally, so the fact that this clearly doesn't belong on Wikipedia should outweigh the "it's funny" or "being reported in the news" arguments. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:36, 31 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Redirect. Striking my initial response. Against my better judgment, I've been working to improve sourcing and overall quality at Donald Trump on social media, the broader-view page created after this AFD began. I see no reason why this is sufficiently notable as to deserve a stand-alone article, although it's assuredly a likely redirect. I do not advocate a further merger at this point on the grounds that additional content from this article would serve as undue weight in the larger topic. Squeamish Ossifrage (talk) 17:49, 2 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete or merge to Donald Trump's use of social media. We can't have articles on every sensational news headline about Donald Trump. If we keep this, we're on the track to having half the articles on Wikipedia relating to Trump. --AmaryllisGardener ^talk 16:29, 31 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: I have changed my opinion above to merge to Donald Trump's use of social media. Thank you very much for starting the article. I think most people who wanted to delete would reconsider that "covfefe" has a place on that article. —Мандичка^YO 😜 16:36, 31 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Nuke it. WP is not a newspaper, and should not offer first-hand news reports on breaking stories. And this isn't even a story -- he fell asleep while trying to type "coverage". Merge it into the Trump article if it's not forgotten by the weekend. DoctorJoeE ^{review transgressions}/_{talk to me!} 16:42, 31 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. Let's not use an encyclopedia to document what all the fucking morons cared about in 2017. Deli nk (talk) 17:01, 31 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Wait: just give it a couple of days to see if more references and cultural impact can be added. It's not that hard... Fireflyfanboy (talk) 17:02, 31 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Fafleh Keep it for a few days, to see what sort of arguments we get, then delete don't delete it. By then, it'll be a tired joke, even to those who liked it today. InedibleHulk (talk) 17:10, 31 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Don't delete this article, I mean. Nothing against the word living somewhere else on Wikipedia. InedibleHulk (talk) 18:14, 31 May 2017 (UTC) [reply]

• Merge with Donald Trump's use of social media. While it may not be WP:NOTNEWS, judging from the headlines this morning, it's certainly not justified as a single article. Nerdwiththehat^Talk 17:19, 31 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge to Donald Trump's use of social media or Donald Trump tweets. Even cromulent doesn't have its own article. Antony–22 (^talk⁄_contribs) 17:35, 31 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge to Donald Trump's use of social media. Per WP:NOTNEWS, we do not do running news reporting and commentary, and frankly there's not much to say here except the tweet and the reactions to it.  Sandstein  17:38, 31 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. Cited to nearly two dozen reliable sources, a testament to notability. Comparable to Ed Miliband bacon sandwich photograph and Binders full of women. Gamaliel (talk) 17:43, 31 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. There's always a rush to make articles. This is just a silly news story for one day. The life cycle will be about 24 hours tops. This will have no lasting impact. WP is not the news. Harizotoh9 (talk) 18:43, 31 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge to Donald Trump's use of social media. Despite the large flurry of coverage right now, it is way too early to determine whether this will last or not. Deletion is bad because people will be looking up this word on Wikipedia and see a redlink and simply try to create it again, leading to headaches for everyone. If merged, and coverage continues in the future, the article can be branched back out. Gatemansgc (talk) 18:46, 31 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Now that I know about this article, I say merge into Donald Trump's use of social media. Harizotoh9 (talk) 18:50, 31 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Please God Delete - This can't be real. Are we making an entire page because of one typo on twitter? I understand that social media picked up on it but in that case will we have a page for every meme that comes along? Help us all El cid, el campeador (talk) 18:59, 31 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep For Now - It will probably need to be merged or removed later, but no need to remove it now. Let's wait to see if this remains a notable event or not. --Rockstonetalk to me! 19:04, 31 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge to Donald Trump's use of social media. Funny things Trump says on Twitter are reported as routine coverage WP:NOTNEWS. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 19:07, 31 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge to Donald Trump's use of social media. A separate article could be spun out later if it meets WP:GNG, but it's too early to tell yet.--Pawnkingthree (talk) 19:13, 31 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. Pls. Are we going to document every time he farts as well? Mention it in Donald Trump's use of social media can work for me but this is utter bullcrap. TBloemink _talk 19:21, 31 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge to Donald Trump's use of social media --Jtle515 (talk) 19:35, 31 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete or merge this crap. Holy Goo (talk) 19:39, 31 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete with extreme prejudice. The fact that a German embassy explodes at roughly the same time, and yet a typo on Twitter is on the front page of every newspaper, accurately sums up what I think of the argument that it has coverage. Blatantly unencyclopedic excuse for somebody to get yet another negative Trump article on Wikipedia (and, by extension, Google). See WP:NOTNEWS and also WP:FART. The Wordsmith^{Talk to me} 19:40, 31 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge with Donald Trump's use of social media. The content is pertinent to illustrate how the Donald Trump uses social media, so it's a good fit for merging. --Dereckson (talk) 19:54, 31 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep, obviously, if you're looking at what matters for AFD. Per User:Herostratus's comment above, this easily meets wp:GNG. Like Battle of Mosul (2016–present), this is a current topic and Wikipedia's article can possibly become one of the leading news stories in Google News or other collections of current news articles. Urgent demands that this be merged or deleted don't make sense. After some months or years it may or may not be appropriate to merge, quietly, but this is obviously not something to be forced now. --doncram 20:20, 31 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete At the very outermost, this warrants a single brief line in an existing page. Cpaaoi (talk) 20:27, 31 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Wait, then merge. While this is still popular, lots of people are gonna be Googling "covfefe", so it's more practical for it to have its own WP article. After it's died down, (in probably a week or two), merge and redirect to Donald Trump's use of social media. It won't need its own article after Donald Trump does his next thing, whatever it may be. 1.618033 golden^{sqᴉɹʇuoɔ} 20:53, 31 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Changing back to KEEP. Sean Spicer's explanation was so bizarre it's going to double the life of this. I agree with media pointing out this incident is symbolic of Trump's presidency. —Мандичка^YO 😜 21:04, 31 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• KEEP. It pays for Wikipedia to keep up with current events. Andrewrutherford (talk) 21:40, 31 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep. Now that it is much later in the day, the media coverage has only increased. A lot of the people who voted "Delete" earlier did so after much less media coverage. — Mr. Guye (talk) (contribs)  21:28, 31 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think anybody expected it to not last the day. The first day is when everything gets hotter. Third day's when it fizzles. InedibleHulk (talk) 22:04, 31 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

It got much bigger because Sean Spicer, instead of just saying it was a typo, said with a straight face that "certain people" knew what it meant. So it blew up again now that he's actually indicating the president is sending out cryptic messages via Twitter, and that insanity (that they are not even allowed to admit Trump made a typo) represents massive dysfunction in the White House. —Мандичка^YO 😜 22:35, 31 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

He didn't say anyone knew what it meant, he said he thinks Trump and some other small group knew what he meant. Sometimes people know what they mean to say and mean to say it, but something stops them midthought. Sometimes people tell other people what they intend to tweet about later. It in no way indicates secret codes, midnight madness, Russian conspiracies, trolljobs or anything of the sort. The press are simply rabid today and grasping at everything from every angle for sweet, sweet clicks. All ends Friday. InedibleHulk (talk) 00:38, 1 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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• Merge to Donald Trump's use of social media. I suspect that hardly anyone will remember this in a week. Lepricavark (talk) 21:51, 31 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge with Donald Trump's use of social media. Per WP:NOTNEWS, this is an event that is part of an encyclopedic topic, but is not in and of itself encyclopedic. —    Bill W.    (Talk)  (Contrib)  (User:Wtwilson3)  — 22:10, 31 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. This is still part of History regardless of it being on social media. Everything our president does is worthy of being documented for historical record keeping.
• Covfefe. (keep) This article records a seemingly major event in our nation's history (?) DmitryKsWikis (Dmitry K.) (talk) 22:40, 31 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Keepfefe, for now. I think it'd be better to have this discussion in a couple weeks' time. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 23:03, 31 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge to Donald Trump's use of social media. The information does not need to be sanitized from Wikipedia, but there's not enough non-redundant content to support a stand-alone article. --Jayron32 23:06, 31 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete if Donald Trump sneezed, somebody would create an article. This is a sneeze. Power~enwiki (talk) 23:12, 31 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment As a practical matter, this is either a Snow Keep, or we need a new Speedy Delete reason for new articles on topics on current events in American politics (which fall under the post-1932 rules). Power~enwiki (talk) 23:12, 31 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Strong covfefe. Has reliable covfefe in secondary sources, and also tertiary sources that describe the covfefe of covfefe. Rigley (talk) 00:11, 1 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. It's far WP:TOOSOON to determine whether this incident will have any lasting significance, and if so what. In the meantime we don't need to cover it: that's what newspapers are for. —David Eppstein (talk) 00:31, 1 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep It is useful if people can look this up. It does not need to be in a separate article, though. Carol (Talk) 00:37, 1 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge to Donald Trump's use of social media. WP:GNG requires enduring coverage which is not going to be something that can be determined after one day, and this otherwise fails WP:NOT#NEWS, WP:RECENTISM, WP:NEO, and WP:NEVENT. However, it is factual, and is clearly trending as a meme so we can document it among other gaffs that Trump has done over social media. Otherwise, this reads as an attack article and also fails WP:BLP. --MASEM (t) 01:05, 1 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• KEEP: Notable social media event. Ryan Albrey (talk) 01:07, 1 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. Stop making WP:Crystal assertions about "lack of lasting notability" or the like. We already had this discussion concerning United Express Flight 3411 incident. The Mysterious El Willstro (talk) 01:10, 1 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

That's an entirely different sort of incident, isn't it? Follow-up is foreseeable when a company violently mistreats a customer. The customer is always right. Someone's bound to get suspended, various suits pop up, ads change, rules change, spokespeople speak clearly and effectively. There'll be none of that here, only chatter. You simply can't impeach a President for tweeting covfefe. Can't make him grovel, can't boot him out of the Hall of Fame, can't even really take your business elsewhere. It's just covfefe, period. InedibleHulk (talk) 01:43, 1 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

A Merge might make sense for those reasons, but a full Delete doesn't. Separate Article or not, the information is notable. The Mysterious El Willstro (talk) 02:59, 1 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

In wiki-speak, information cannot be WP:N-notable. Information has only two important properties at Wikipedia, it has a source and it has relevance. As a wiki-concept, notability only means "is suitable as the subject of a stand-alone article". This is not so suitable, but as a likely search term, and as a sentence or two in another article, it is fine. --Jayron32 03:08, 1 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete lacks meaning and significance. Geogene (talk) 01:16, 1 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Wait until appropriate for Keep - This incident just recently happened, I would cite WP:TOOSOON as a reason to keep it for now. There is already dozens of articles about this, in the next few days alone there could be more developments. It should only be merged with the Trumps's use of social media page if there are no developments say a week from now. ☞ Rim ^{< Talk | Edits >} 01:18, 1 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

  WP:TOOSOON advises against keeping articles until after time has shown them to be necessary. You've used that essay exactly backwards. --Jayron32 01:50, 1 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Redirect or merge. Nechemia Iron (talk) 01:19, 1 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect or merge to Donald Trump's use of social media. Valid search terms that are highly topical, but not notable enough to warrant their own articles. JTP ^{(talk • contribs)} 01:53, 1 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia. Srnec (talk) 02:29, 1 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per WP:NOTNEWS. We don't need a separate article for every single Trump gaffe. Ajf773 (talk) 02:33, 1 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge to Donald Trump's use of social media and strip down to a sentence or two. A standalone for this? We are not the moronic mainstream media who will write "Trump drops nail clippers...then glances down at them!" Would Encyclopedia Britannica have covered this sort of thing in 1973 when that publication mattered? This is pure WP:NOTNEWS and WP:FART. It will not endure. It is pure facepalm for us and Earth. Covering this makes us appear more like a tabloid than a proper encyclopedia. It sets a precedent too that we will host/publish anything. GNG? The media will cover anything he does, making everything GNG. We have to respond to GNG with "however..." and WP:NOTNEWS and WP:FART does that. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 02:41, 1 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment. See Pump concerning whether Trump coined the phrase "prime the pump". TomS TDotO (talk)

• Actually, don't. It's pure nonsense in that article as well, which I've deleted. Power~enwiki (talk) 03:16, 1 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Merge to Donald Trump's use of social media., per WP:NOTNEWS and User:Anna Frodesiak. JDDJS (talk) 03:58, 1 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep or else Merge. It's an excellent example of Trump's use of social media and how the rest of the world is reacting to it. I'd say comparable to the George H. W. Bush vomiting incident. PvOberstein (talk) 04:15, 1 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Covfefe – This is crazy. It's less than a day in and already attracted an enormous amount of people. A misspelled tweet becoming a global news item just sounds ridiculous. If I did !vote then I'd be Keep/Merge/Draftify/RfCify/Covfefe. J947^{(c) (m)} 04:42, 1 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep, sources indicate notability. Everyking (talk) 04:47, 1 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep - This story has legs now that Spicer has acknowledged "the president and a small group of people know exactly what he meant." Mark Schierbecker (talk) 04:51, 1 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge to Donald Trump's use of social media per WP:10 year test. Alsee (talk) 05:44, 1 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge to Donald Trump's use of social media. As much as I want to keep this its own article, it's inherently just a meme which will die down within a month (at the most) so a merge to Donald Trump's use of social media will be appropriate, however unnecessary it may be. It's a big thing now and it would be appropriate to merge if it stays this way for a little while longer, but if this does die down tomorrow or the day after, I would actually prefer to just delete it from Wikipedia.
• KEEP - covered by every major news outlet; suggestions it is not notable are politically motivated. —WinTakeAll💬 06:35, 1 June 2017 (UTC) 06:35, 1 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep - Even Donald Trump made fun of the typo instead of just simply deleting the tweet like his others. Yoshiman6464 ^♫🥚 06:40, 1 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

How is that an argument for "keep"? Anna Frodesiak (talk) 06:41, 1 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Merge to Donald Trump's use of social media. Yes it's in the news now but it'll be forgotten within a week. Absconded Northerner (talk) 07:14, 1 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge to Donald Trump's use of social media. There will probably continue to be lots of similar things during Trump's presidency, this will easily be forgotten. Axisixa (talk) 08:31, 1 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep “Covfefe” made the front page of The New York Times on June 1 2017, which is the gold standard for notability. This can be verified; go to [2] then click on June 1; look in the lower left for the word “Covfefe” in the headline. Furthermore, there is a good deal more secondary coverage from reliable sources, with 31 references in the article. Samboy (talk) 09:05, 1 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

It is a gold standard as a source, that's all. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 09:11, 1 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

WP:N makes it clear that the primary guideline for notability is whether it’s discussed in reliable sources (To quote that: “If a topic has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, it is presumed to be suitable for a stand-alone article or list.”) “Covfefe” clearly has been: It made the front page of the New York Times. Please explain, by linking to relevant Wikipedia policy, how “Covfefe” is not notable, even though it was on the front page of the New York Times (ideally, please link to deletion discussion where something that made the front page of the NYT got deleted). Samboy (talk) 09:24, 1 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, NYT is a great source to establish help GNG, and there are probably hundreds of sources around the world now that do that. This article passes GNG, very, very easily. That's not the issue. It is that it does not pass a number of other guidelines, and that is the reason for all those delete !votes. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 09:49, 1 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Let me quote Herostratus from Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Trump_orb:

reading pages pointed to rather than than just relying on their titles is recommended. We just went over this with WP:TOOSOON which essentially says "wait until there are reliable sources"... OK here is what WP:NOTNEWS says: "editors are encouraged to include current and up-to-date information within its coverage, and to develop stand-alone articles on significant current events", although "not all verifiable events are suitable for inclusion", and then it drills down with four bullet points. #'s 1 (no original reporting) and 3 (we're not a Who's Who) and 4 (we're not a diary) pretty clearly don't apply, leaving #2 as the only possibly germane guidance. It says “Wikipedia considers the enduring notability of persons and events. While news coverage can be useful source material for encyclopedic topics, most newsworthy events do not qualify for inclusion. For example, routine news reporting on things like announcements, sports, or celebrities is not a sufficient basis for inclusion in the encyclopedia. While including information on recent developments is sometimes appropriate, breaking news should not be emphasized or otherwise treated differently from other information.... Wikipedia is also not written in news style.” I mean, it's fairly general... "most' newsworthy events do not qualify... including information on recent developments is sometimes appropriate", so it's not a blanket proscription against recent events. And then the example, the only example, it gives of the kind of stuff we don't want is "routine news reporting on things like announcements, sports, or celebrities", which has nothing to do with this article.

WP:FART has also been brought up, but that covers routine coverage in, say People magazine — not the front page of The New York Times. Samboy (talk) 15:41, 1 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Obvious Covfefe Keep as the very surprising attention this has got with the top story of the day in most news organizations, and probably continue as a top story for at least another day. It is becoming a cultural artifact. It is historic.--Covfefe user (talk) 09:50, 1 June 2017 (UTC) — Covfefe user (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

Notable. Keep. One of the highest-numbered posts. Misty MH (talk) 10:36, 1 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. Despite constant negative complaints about notability covfefe. In seriousness, this single tweet has gotten enough independent media coverage that it probably warrants its own article. If it later fades away into obscurity, a merge can be considered at a later date. --(ʞɿɐʇ) ɐuɐʞsǝp 10:37, 1 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge to Donald Trump's use of social media. The present version of Donald Trump's use of social media is quite short. Wikipedians' energy would better be spent in making Donald Trump's use of social media into a solid article rather than keeping this symbolically important typo as a single article. Several mainstream media commentators have argued that the typo is symbolically important (refs in present version of covfefe) - e.g. could nuclear war result from an accidental cofveve type tweet by the US President? But the importance is within the context of Trump's casual approach to tweeting. Covfefely yours, Boud (talk) 10:41, 1 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge to Donald Trump's use of social media. Obviously this is only interesting in the coverage of Trump's somewhat unorthodox style of social media use. Rather than balkanising all articles on the topic into articles on "incidents" that will be forgotten by this time next week, it would better serve our readers to keep everything in one place. Lankiveil ^{(speak to me)} 10:45, 1 June 2017 (UTC).[reply]
• Comment This has almost completely vanished from the media. The media has forgotten it and moved on. WP:10 year test? It doesn't even pass the WP:2 day test. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 11:11, 1 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

That is not true. It has already been pointed out to you that the story is on the front page of today's New York Times.--Pawnkingthree (talk) 13:51, 1 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Merge per above. WP:NOTNEWS suggests covering stories that have lasting impact, and the converse. Something like Binders full of women (cited above), while its notability is questionable, at least relates to important policy issues about the representation of women, sexism, feminism, etc, and attracted a policy-based response. This topic is highly unlikely to have any policy implications, any lasting effect on the Trump administration, or any wider consequences. Sheer trivia. --Colapeninsula (talk) 11:22, 1 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge to Donald Trump's use of social media. Not immediately notable enough to deserve an entire article. --XenonNSMB (talk, contribs) 11:30, 1 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge to Trump's use of social media, then turn this into a Redirect - The idea that this oddity, which has been covered everywhere is not notable, is ludicrous. Also, it's a bit of comic relief from the angst surrounding the current administration. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 12:13, 1 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge to Donald Trump's use of social media. IMO the level of coverage of this has been such that it's hard to argue we shouldn't at least mention it briefly in one article, and that seems to be the best article. And since basically all use of the term covfefe relates to this incident, it makes sense that it should redirect to that coverage. (N.B. I just accidentally, I think unrelated typed coverafe, although I am using a proper keyboard.) And IMO the BLP issues of the content in article aren't sufficient to warrant deletion, it's fine if the edit history is preserved even if the article becomes a redirect. And anyway possibly it will be used in expanding the other article in which case it needs to be preserved. Nil Einne (talk) 12:42, 1 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. This incident is very notable on itself, seeing as there is a plethora of reliable sources available who go into length and detail about Covfefe. We may find it silly, hysterical or even downright dumb. However, none of those reasons should prohibit an article from appearing on Wikipedia - notability is something which can be verified objectively, and should not receive a subjective treatment because many Wikipedians probably think Donald Trump to be a bit of a rambling fool.—♦♦ AMBER^(ЯʘCK) 12:47, 1 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Very obviously WP:NOTNEWS --Varavour (talk)
• Keep at this point the coverage and degree of virality, makes it a notable news incident. Sadads (talk) 13:54, 1 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia and not a newspaper, WP:NOTNEWS. Rwood128 (talk) 14:18, 1 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep I went to Wikipedia to find the meaning of this new word, and many others will keep doing so for a long time to come. Comfr (talk) 14:22, 1 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge to Donald Trump's use of social media. It's gotten enough coverage that it should be noted there, but I hardly think it's necessary to have its own article. --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 14:34, 1 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge per argument above. Jonathan A Jones (talk) 14:41, 1 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep with an eye to an eventual merger into Donald Trump's use of social media. As Thryduulf mentioned, it easily meets the GNG, especially with all the thoughtful (if somewhat satirical) analyses. Sure it's a weird thing to have an encyclopaedia article about, but it's the kind of thing people write newspaper articles about these days. Guettarda (talk) 14:53, 1 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge to Donald Trump on social media since I don't believe it needs its own article, but it should absolutely be mentioned as a fact on Donald Trump's social media page. A simple typo leads to so many news stories, and that's important to mention. Tutelary (talk) 15:17, 1 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge (or smerge? do people still use that term?) to Donald Trump on social media. Users should get some result if they look for it, but a typo does not warrant an article. If people are still talking about it in several months then maybe revisit. -R. fiend (talk) 15:47, 1 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Speedy keep - clearly meets WP:GNG, with the amount of secondary independent coverage it's receiving. Could consider a merge down the line, but it has enough material for its own article right now.  — Amakuru (talk) 15:52, 1 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• KEEP: Covered by numerous news sites. Blackbird256 (talk) 16:06, 1 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge to Donald Trump's use of social media. Very useless and unneeded article in violation of WP:NOTNEWS. --Snowstormer ^{(T | C)} 16:07, 1 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. Worth nothing by a footnote in Donald Trump's excessive use of social media. We don't need an article for every of his tweets, in particular if it doesn't mean anything. Per WP:10 year test this fad will be forgotten in a week already. Chire (talk) 16:16, 1 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete — This covfefe business might just be worthy of a sentence or two in an article about Donald Trump's social media (mis)use, but to have a whole article about one man's keyboard blunder is absurd. What are the longterm ramifications of this remark? Zilch! It's not important. Kelisi (talk) 16:27, 1 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete or merge to Donald Trump's use of social media. Should not exist as a separate article.--v/r - TP 16:37, 1 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Covfefe Sumbuddi (talk) 17:00, 1 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete WP:NOTNEWS, no indication of enduring notability. --BDD (talk) 17:12, 1 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Covfefe, per Herostratus and Samboy. There seems to be very little dispute that Covfefe meets WP:GNG, and the delete votes are based on the argument that it runs afoul of WP:NOTNEWS. But as I understand it, the purpose of WP:NOTNEWS is to determine whether a topic is notable of not (since most routine news stories aren't notable). So if there's broad agreement that Covfefe satisfies WP:GNG, then pretty much by definition WP:NOTNEWS isn't a valid reason to delete.

By the way, if this ends up being the first AFD in en-WP's history where the closing admin summarizes the consensus as "covfefe", I'm going to laugh my butt off. --Captain Occam (talk) 17:16, 1 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

You've got it the wrong way around: meeting WP:GNG means that notability is "presumed". GNG goes on to say:

"Presumed" means that significant coverage in reliable sources creates an assumption, not a guarantee, that a subject should be included. A more in-depth discussion might conclude that the topic actually should not have a stand-alone article—perhaps because it violates what Wikipedia is not

In other words, WP:NOTNEWS trumps GNG, and no amount of coverage in reliable sources can make a WP:NOT topic notable. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 17:35, 1 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

If the niche item called the "santorum" is considered notable, then this widely known item certainly is too. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 18:24, 1 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Please review the arguments to avoid in deletion discussions: WP:WHATABOUTX. --Crystallizedcarbon (talk) 18:32, 1 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Is that a rule, or merely a suggestion? ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 18:38, 1 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

There's certainly no rule against following good advice. InedibleHulk (talk) 19:16, 1 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

And the best advice is, "Try not to make Wikipedia look stupid." If I come to Wikipedia to find out about it, and it's not there, my immediate assumption is that Wikipedia is out of touch with the world. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 20:14, 1 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Probably better as "Don't make Wikipedia look stupid." Telling humans to try just lets them feel good about themselves when they fail the first time, knowing they tried. I don't know about you, but if I can fail and feel good about it, I'm only going to pretend to try, especially if the alternative is suffering for the sake of Wikipedia seeming hip. Besides, by the time people need to come to Wikipedia to wonder the truth of covfefe, wondering that won't even be cool anymore. We'll be that old fuddy-duddy doing the macarena at weddings, alone, forever. Collectively, I mean. Individually, we can go either way. InedibleHulk (talk) 21:12, 1 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

OK, then it's "DON'T make Wikipedia look stupid" - and the rest of my statement still applies. We serve the readers, not ourselves. Rabid deletionists often forget tht. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 21:45, 1 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Now you're talking! Changed my vote. InedibleHulk (talk) 22:01, 1 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep This sums up American politics and how social media has played a part it in.Sgerbic (talk) 17:30, 1 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep important, groundbreaking article. Will be useful to historians that want to trace the emergence of the second dark ages and Trump's reign of terror. Crucial historical document. This is not the place to pay partisan politics and cover up for Daddy, Trumpkins. 2600:1017:B412:5FA5:A58C:E7D4:A132:5E0B (talk) 17:33, 1 June 2017 (UTC) — Duplicate vote: 2600:1017:B412:5FA5:A58C:E7D4:A132:5E0B (talk • contribs) has already cast a vote above.[reply]
  • This is not a vote. —    Bill W.    (Talk)  (Contrib)  (User:Wtwilson3)  — 22:40, 1 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge with Donald Trump's use of social media. Although I believe the word has achieved ample notability in non-trivia (and Wikipedia-approved) media to justify its own article, at the same time it is simply more appropriate for it to be discussed in the greater context with Trump's social media use. We can't create new articles every time he does a typo, even if the typo ends up being a bit of a cultural phenomenon as has happened with covfefe. That said it could be revisited at a future date to see if "covfefe" has the same longevity in the public eye as Fuddle duddle did. 136.159.160.4 (talk) 17:49, 1 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment After spending some time in Wikipedia talk:What Wikipedia is not archives, there is a pretty sizable WP:NOTNEWS misapplication going on here. None of the 4 points under notnews have been met here, particularly the "routine news" of #2. This is not "routine news", this is a flurry of national an international discussion of the event. Yes it is an event, this isn't just about a famous person making a tweet typo but rather the President of the US, a persona with a propensity for bombastic social media presence who made a bizarre, mangled, half-sentence tweet in the early morning hours. WP:NEVENT should be the one to judge by, and IMO we're certainly in or nearing the "very likely to be notable" standard of WP:EVENTCRIT. "WP:Notnews" is a misnomer and should be retitled "NotRoutineNews" ValarianB (talk) 19:14, 1 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• KEEP: Major cultural impact, covered by news sites world over. It's only day 2 and it's being used by thousands (at least) of people on Social Media.

If not keep, then at least merge. Walloper1980 (talk) 19:16, 1 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - Seriously? Wikinews is over there. It violates WP:TOOSOON to say that this incident will have any sort of a so-called "cultural imapct," major or no. Once again people should not gaze into their WP:CRYSTALBALL. To have such a large article about what is likely a typo also runs afoul of WP:SENSATION. -- Millionsandbillions (talk) 19:34, 1 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete/Merge to Donald Trump on social media. You people are fricking ridiculous when it comes to hastily making articles for the latest news distraction and meme. Absolutely absurd. None of this will be mentioned a week from now. Reywas92^Talk 19:42, 1 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Prove it. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 20:14, 1 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete/merge to Donald Trump on social media; I can't believe an article as large as this one was written about a 70 year old making a typo on Twitter. MeanMotherJr (talk) 20:46, 1 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete, merge some of it, and redirect to Donald Trump's use of social media per WP:NOTSTUPID.- MrX 21:03, 1 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Just a reminder, if by "merge some of it" you mean to actually copy and rewrite the content from here into the other article, then deletion is not acceptable as we will violate our contributor's copyright and the licence we require them to licence it under. If content from here is copied or moved, even if later rewritten, to another article then the article needs to be kept for the edit history somewhere. (Technically under the CC we probably only require the list of names but the norm is to keep the edit history whenever possible, especially since we are only supposed to be CC only when getting the content from elsewhere.) It would make most sense to keep it at the current location and simply turn it into a redirect, although this isn't required provided the edit history is kept and people are able to find it from whereever the content is copied/moved to. The only way this could be deleted is if any content elsewhere is written from scratch without reference to this article. Even just copying the references would IMO be a bad idea, especially since there doesn't seem to be a compelling reason why we should lose the edit history. Nil Einne (talk) 22:29, 1 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Good point. !Vote adjusted accordingly.- MrX 23:57, 1 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Merge to Donald Trump on social media. Sure, it meets GNG. We can still have information on it. But an entire article on one trivial tweet and the news cycle it took over? WP:NOTSTUPID. Enterprisey (talk!) 21:05, 1 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete/merge to Donald Trump on social media (per Enterprisey above). WP:NOTNEWS and WP:10YEARS, maybe this should just be put on Wikinews instead? (I know WP:10YEARS talks about the content of an article, but I think it can also be applied to article subjects)  Seagull123  Φ  21:13, 1 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep As of 6/1/2017 12:47 PM EST, a Google Search of Covfefe showed "About 5,450,000 results". Minutes later, at 12:56 PM EST the same search on Google showed "About 6,030,000 results". As of 6:17 PM google shows " About 10,400,000 results". More than notable for a word that didn't exist 2 days ago. Any word with over 10 Million results on Google definitely deserves its own page in Wikipedia. AAAAA 6:20 PM EST, 1 June 2017

Wikipedia is not a dictionary. WP:NOTURBANDICT. Ceosad (talk) 22:31, 1 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I understand it is not a dictionary. But with over 10 million Google Results it's a notable media event. Just checked and right now Google shows "About 14,400,000 results". AAAAA 6:59 PM EST, 2 June 2017

• Delete Long-term significance has not been shown, and in fact is extremely unlikely. — Rwxrwxrwx (talk) 22:51, 1 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete No lasting significance that would warrant a stand alone article. The two paragraphs it presently has in Donald Trump's use of social media is more appropriate. - LuckyLouie (talk) 23:54, 1 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment: Mind sorting out the 'Keep's, the 'Delete's and the 'Merge's? Can remove this comment once it is done 183.157.162.54 (talk) 01:53, 2 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Here. (Not pretty and missing responses. Will delete it in 24hrs) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 02:01, 2 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. This story has been covered in every major media outlet. The article got nearly 29,000 page views on its first day.[3] Whiff of greatness (talk) 03:04, 2 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Whiff of greatness: that doesn't prove its notability and I'd rather avoid arguments based on pageviews (WP:POPULARPAGE). But, if there is going to be an argument about pageviews, there were only 375 views on 2 June, down from 11,546 on 31 May - which to me suggests it is definitely a case of WP:10YEARS.  Seagull123  Φ  14:16, 3 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

If a story "has been covered in every major media outlet," as I wrote in the post you are responding to and as no one is challenging, that does indeed show notability. The page views are down because the article is being noindexed pending the outcome of this deletion discussion. The Ten Year Rule has to do with writing style. To interpret as a rationale to delete an article goes against WP:CRYSTALBALL. Now that this material appears on the German, Japanese, Dutch, and Czech Wikis, I find it even more difficult to understand why anyone would want to delete it. Whiff of greatness (talk) 11:53, 4 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Whiff of greatness: I'm not going to talk about the pageviews per my point above and WP:POPULARPAGE. And to your point about 10YEARS, essays are not policy, linking to one is just a quick way of showing your reasoning, and I've already said that while 10YEARS doesn't talk about notability/article subject, I used the same reasoning used in the essay for the purpose of notability/subject. So if you want a policy, look at the first bullet point on WP:NOPAGE (section of WP:N - so addressing your concern about notability) - Sometimes, a notable topic can be covered better as part of a larger article, where there can be more complete context that would be lost on a separate page, which I think is important (to me, more important than the other bits of that section) - more complete context could be given on Donald Trump on social media. Also, it has not yet demonstrated lasting notability. And just because other language wikis have a page about this, why should we too? They have different policies/guidelines from us, so have different standards for inclusion in their language WP. (Also striking my comment for delete, while keeping the merge comment).  Seagull123  Φ  15:53, 4 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete Better, Merge to Donald Trump's use of social media. per WP:NOTNEWS. This is a 24-hour sensation, of no long-term or encyclopedic significance. We really don't need a new article every time Trump makes a tweet. --MelanieN (talk) 03:17, 2 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per WP:NOTNEWS. This typo is unlikely to have any lasting significance. Nick-D (talk) 03:56, 2 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. Covfefe covfefe covfefe. Bigly. —Nelson Ricardo (talk) 04:12, 2 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete and merge content into Donald Trump's use of social media- I'm genuinely not certain how this was considered notable enough for an article in the first place. While it has gone memetic, this isn't enough for an article, since we might stop talking about it by next week. If we're still making covfefe jokes in a year (god forbid), an article would be justified, but right now it's too early to say that a separate article would be justified. Hppavilion1 (talk) 04:43, 2 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge/redirect to Donald Trump's use of social media. What a world. Neutrality^talk 04:44, 2 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge to Donald Trump's use of social media, per WP:NOTNEWS. We need articles about important things that people will still be looking for ten years from now, not about every single bit of cultural flotsam that ever generated a 24-hour blip of news coverage and spawned some memes. Enduring significance or bust. Bearcat (talk) 05:49, 2 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep The presidential use and misuse of language is highly notable as entire books are written about the topic such as Talking with the President: The Pragmatics of Presidential Language — "...what the president says is not necessarily what the president means." We have plenty of articles about other historical examples including Normalcy; Ich bin ein Berliner; Michigander; Lunatic fringe; &c. These demonstrate that such coinages do tend to have enduring notability as they are remembered and written about centuries later. See also WP:NOTPAPER – "there is no practical limit to the number of topics Wikipedia can cover". Andrew D. (talk) 07:02, 2 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Andrew Davidson: the book you mentioned was published in March 2015, so cannot prove the notability of "covfefe" or Trump's actions as President. The book doesn't even mention "Donald Trump" (according to the Google Books search function). This book can prove the notability of "The presidential use and misuse of language", but not "covfefe", or anything about Trump.  Seagull123  Φ  13:26, 2 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Merge to Donald Trump's use of social media. We need not create articles on Trump's every belch and fart. It's WP:TOOSOON to gauge long term notability, WP:NOTNEWS applies.LM2000 (talk) 07:18, 2 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge to Donald Trump's use of social media, and trim the fluff. — JFG ^talk 08:52, 2 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete, but merge as a second option. This is getting ridiculous now. AIRcorn (talk) 11:59, 2 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete or merge with Donald Trump on social media (and trim). Jean-Jacques Georges (talk) 12:10, 2 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per WP:NOTNEWS and WP:DICTIONARY, though "Wikipedia is not Uncyclopedia" would apply if it existed. Moving to trump.wikipedia.org would work too, but a simple mention on Donald Trump's use of social media would be enough. --Vituzzu (talk) 13:03, 2 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep - This has snowballed into something bigger than "President farts on plane" NOTNEWS-type fare. A merge to Donald Trump's use of social media would also be an acceptable outcome; deletion, not. Carrite (talk) 13:39, 2 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete and mention it in Donald Trump's use of social media. If every stupid thing a president say deserve an article, we gonna need a bigger boat server. Darwinian Ape ^talk 15:25, 2 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: Kill it. Kill it with fire. --Guy Macon (talk) 17:13, 2 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Fart --Guy Macon (talk) 17:17, 2 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Smerge (Selective or slight merge) to Donald Trump on social media. This should redirect readers to a general article abut the notable subject of a president's tweeting excesses. That will preserve the rights of contributors to this article. Wikipedia is not a compendium of everything which gets a splash of news media coverage, per WP:NOTNEWS. I don't think we have an article about the boil on George Washington's butt which made him lie on his side while performing his duties in the first months of his presidency, nor on the hole in candidate Stevenson's shoe which was on the front page of every newspaper during a 1950's campaign, on Wilson growing a beard when he was palsied and couldn't shave, on every time Ford tripped over his own feet, on Johnson lifting his dog by the ears, on every single individual malapropism of GW Bush ,nor on literally hundreds of other news items about presidential politics which got widespread news coverage. It is a typo for pity's sake. It doesn't even rise to the importance of the elder Bush puking at a diplomatic dinner. Mention little incidents in the context of an article about the person or in this case an article about one aspect of the person's career. Edison (talk) 17:54, 2 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge to Donald Trump's use of social media. The latter is notable, the item under consideration is just a passing example. No need to wait, a redirect will handle the people looking for the specific word. ubiquity (talk) 18:10, 2 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep because it's too early to tell whether this meme will die out soon. We've got articles on memes like Bad Luck Brian and Nyan Cat so I don't see why covfefe can't have its own page. If it's forgotten within a week we can merge. – FenixFeather ^{(talk)(Contribs)} 18:12, 2 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete or Merge No where near notable enough on its own. If not delete, merge with Donald Trump on social media. PackMecEng (talk) 18:29, 2 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge I think this could be merged with User:Janweh64/sandbox/Lexicology of Donald Trump to prepare for Lexicology of Donald Trump. Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 18:35, 2 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Notable event with significant press covfefe. Peapod21 (talk) 18:58, 2 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. Satisfies the criteria for notability. PwilliamQ99 19:19, 2 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep or merge. Interesting and humorous accident, covered by many media outlets. Posted by one of the most important people in the world, despite all the checks and proofreading that would normally take place. Qu1lt (talk) 19:36, 2 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment Please provide a source that verifies that anyone normally proofreads or exercise a check on anything Trump tweets. Edison (talk) 19:46, 2 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Also, just being interesting and humorous is not reason enough to keep an article. I also share Edison's concerns about sourcing for proofreading etc.  Seagull123  Φ  21:58, 2 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Eventually at least. This is classic WP:NOTNEWS, but because it is currently in the news we're seeing a lot of keeps from people currently aware or invested in the story. AniMate 20:20, 2 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep, at least for now. Eventually we can consider merging it into Trump on Twitter, if and when the buzz dies down and it proves non-notable in the long term. It's not hurting anything, and there's no deadline to replace it with a #redirect. —Guanaco 20:51, 2 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - this is unencyclopaedic. --Joshua Issac (talk) 21:32, 2 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep for now. This can be reconsidered in a month's time or so, once we can see how much long-term notability there is. Chessrat ^{(talk, contributions)} 22:40, 2 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per WP:NOTTEMPORARY. This has plenty of staying power. Many new words are coined every day by lesser known people. But this one came from the President of the United States, thereby leading to it the likelihood this will be a permanent fixture in the culture. Not a candidate for merging either, because the size of this article has the potential to be so large. There is the expectation this article will be extremely large due to the theories regarding the word's meaning, which will be interpreted differently by different sources.Sebwite (talk) 22:54, 2 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete or Redirect - there is no way a typo in a tweet, what? three days ago? can be said to have had WP:SUSTAINED coverage, and all of the assurances that it will remain a phenomenon are just WP:CRYSTAL. Likewise, exactly how much needs to be said about it? The two paragraphs on the Donald Trump on social media page adequately summarize the incident, so no merge is needed. This is no more article-worthy than Spicer hiding in the bushes or Marco Rubio's hands both of which also received significant coverage for the proverbial 15 minutes. We can expect there to be some story coming out of the White House daily, and we don't need an article on every one of them. Agricolae (talk) 23:29, 2 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• KEEP This is of historical interest. Groogle (talk) 23:45, 2 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete This "incident" is not notable enough to warrant an article. There are a number of other such actions by world leaders on a scale larger than this and with more consequence that do not have articles, and of which there is no desire or reason to have articles on. The existing section on Trump on Twitter is more than sufficient. Joshua Garner (talk) 01:53, 3 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• WAIT then MERGE if it dies out. This article is starting to get linked in various social media. While I agree that this is hardly notable, many people will click through to the article out of curiosity, and it would be frankly unprofessional to delete it at this point. Better to merge it with another article once the uproar dies down. It was a dark and stormy night. (talk) 01:59, 3 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • It can always be merged with a redirect to the appropriate article. Nothing unprofessional there. —    Bill W.    (Talk)  (Contrib)  (User:Wtwilson3)  — 02:20, 3 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
    • Agreed. A merge and redirect after the dust settles would be most appropriate, IMO. It was a dark and stormy night. (talk) 07:34, 3 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Seriously? Not news. Not a dictionary, even of nonexistent words. And most important, this can only be a WP:COATRACK article which will either heap disdain or praise on Trump rather than anything encyclopedic. -DHeyward (talk) 03:20, 3 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• KEEP / wait - This Tweet was notable, many people are searching for this and curious, and we don't know how this will ultimately unfold in the coming months.

(1) This Tweet was notable. Hillary Clinton replied twice. It was addressed in an official White House press briefing. It was the sole topic of rather large articles in the New York Times, Washington Post, LA Times, and CNN.com. It looks like UK papers also covered it.

(2) Thousands of people have already searched this on Wikipedia. I was one of them an hour ago. Wikipedia is a very good unbiased and no-nonsense source for the basics that people are curious about: What was the full context of the tweet? What time did it go out? Was it deleted? The New York Times wrote at least one long article on it, but they didn't include that information and it was behind a paywall. Wikipedia should answer questions like these, and these questions are very common.

(3) We don't know whether this will get bigger in the coming days and weeks. I'll say it now: I don't think the tweet was funny or interesting in and of itself. I would have ignored it, it's just a typo. But I would have been wrong, people are making a big deal out of this. I wouldn't be surprised if this becomes more notable as more people react, not less notable.

(4) It doesn't matter if it is not funny. It doesn't matter if you don't think this is news. The New York Times thinks this is news. NPR agrees. The Guardian agrees. This is news. Fluoborate (talk) 07:22, 3 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• -This Article is important to KEEP It has become it's own phrase and commonly used in the english vernacular. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.61.106.125 (talk) 12:25, 3 June 2017 (UTC) — 68.61.106.125 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
• KEEP / Wait / Merge - --Janke | Talk 10:04, 3 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Janke: do you have a reason for this? - WP:VOTE.  Seagull123  Φ  12:31, 3 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• KEEP IT PLEASE - There has been so much reaction and discussion about it world-wide (much of it quite funny), that as an "incident" it is now part of history like it or not. Someday people may wonder why a typo became such a big deal, and Wikipedia might as well be a good place to find out what it was about. So the word itself in my view doesn't belong in Wikipedia, but the incident I believe certainly does. In politics, like marketing publicity always seems better than no publicity ... so this might have been a really clever stunt by President Trump .... Rmobidow (talk) 15:27, 3 June 2017 (UTC)— Rmobidow (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
• keep one of the finest pieces of investigative journalism I have ever seen on this site. Compares favorably with Boston Tea Party and Civil War as a part of American History. We must unite and rise up against our tyrannical, treasonous reality-show host overlord. To the barricades! 2600:1017:B41A:A100:DD84:3986:64DE:BAC0 (talk) 15:36, 3 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm not sure I understand your point, 2600:1017:B41A:A100:DD84:3986:64DE:BAC0, could you clarify your reason, "We must unite and rise up against our tyrannical, treasonous reality-show host overlord", for keeping this? There is a list of relevant policies and guidelines for deletion discussions here.  Seagull123  Φ  16:04, 3 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
    • Covfefe is the point. :) Boud (talk) 22:44, 3 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge to Donald Trump on social media (or just Redirect since it's covered there to the extent it probably needs to be already). WP:NOPAGE. The merge seems pretty straightforward to me. This is a clear subtopic, with a good number of sources, but little indication it will have lasting significance/coverage to such an extent that a stand-alone article is needed. — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 19:59, 3 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge to Donald Trump's use of social media: The term is synonymous with Trump, but it's a meme that has not shown a longstanding impact and it's not an event or incident- it's a gaffe. DARTHBOTTO _talk•cont 20:14, 3 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep please, this one kinda lingers. 82.21.88.44 (talk) 23:56, 3 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete WP:Notability is not temporary, if this has a significant impact later on, it can be deleted. - CHAMPION ^{(talk) (contributions) (logs)} 01:00, 4 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep: this is an important article to have ArniDagur (talk) 03:25, 4 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Strong and obvious delete: I legitimately don't understand how anyone could possibly argue in good faith that this meets GNG. Wikipedia is NOT:URBANDICTIONARY and NOT:KNOWYOURMEME. 69.159.83.14 (talk) 05:56, 4 June 2017 (UTC) — 69.159.83.14 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
• Keep: Clearly meets WP:GNG. To those who say that this is only temporary, you cannot know this, and in any event are likely incorrect in your assumption. We don't have to wait several months before documenting clearly notable current events, and this is no exception. Orthogonal1 (talk) 11:53, 4 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Many of the sources suggest this will be permanently notable. There is even a news article on CNN about COVFEFE vanity plates; these will remain for a long time, some of them permanently [4]. This article is longer than the suggested merge target Donald Trump on social media. 96.83.111.133 (talk) 14:53, 4 June 2017 (UTC)— 96.83.111.133 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
• Keep for now, will perhaps mature into a merge into Donald Trump on social media at some point, post-presidency or earlier. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:28, 4 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect to Donald Trump on social media. Per WP:EVENTCRIT, an event is likely to be notable if it has widespread impact or historical significance. An event is unlikely to be notable if it consists of viral phenomena. I have failed to see any evidence of historical significance, widespread impact or of the incident being a passing; it seems like a pretty cut and dry case of viral phenomena that got a short burst of media coverage. The incident is still getting some media coverage (although it has declined pretty quickly), and some editors argue that the article should be kept per WP:RAPID. I do not believe this is an appropriate use of the guideline. It is reasonable to keep articles on events such as military invasions, major disasters, deaths of uber notable individuals, or any other event where there is a high likelihood of meeting notability requirements in the near future. This is not the case for the covfefe article, which shows little evidence of lasting impact. I believe that it is however appropriate to cover the incident in the Donald Trump on social media article. As the article already gives reasonably comprehensive coverage of covfefe, I am voting redirect rather than merge. Spirit of Eagle (talk) 20:58, 4 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge - How can anyone claim this presidential typo has long-term covfefe when it has recently happened? Come back to this in a few months and show me a consistent stream of reliable sources then I'll agree this is not just WP:NOTNEWS. Then anyone can recreate the page and make it great. Believe me, we can make it one of the best pages on Wikipedia.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 22:16, 4 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge to Donald Trump on social media (or just Redirect) LordHarris 22:48, 4 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Merge to Donald Trump on social media.--2601:C4:C001:289E:11D2:9FE1:C4A9:2D54 (talk) 22:55, 4 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge to Donald Trump on social media. A ludicrous incident, but the topic was covered by many news organisations as an indicator of Trump's thought process and temperament. But this topic is an ongoing catalogue of incidents and this article should be merged into a more general article on Trump's behaviour on social media. (This isn't a criticism of this article - it's well-written and extensively sourced - it just doesn't quite stand as an article by itself, I think.Blythwood (talk) 23:43, 4 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. The option to merge with Donald Trump on social media would have been valid had the artice been a stub. Given that it's not a stub, the merge option should not be invoked. The WP:NOTNEWS reason given in the nomination is flawed. WP:NOTNEWS is for routine news coverage. This is obviously not routine, and it is also not news. It is now an internet meme which passes the WP:GNG threshold. 96.41.32.39 (talk) 00:34, 5 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Since when has there been an Internet meme clause in WP:GNG?TheGracefulSlick (talk) 01:12, 5 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

There is no "Internet meme clause in WP:GNG" because not every internet meme is notable. This one, is certainly notable. 96.41.32.39 (talk) 02:07, 5 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Or that WP:MERGE can only be performed to stubs, for that matter? – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 01:18, 5 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Per WP:MERGE: "Merging should be avoided if the resulting article is too long or 'clunky' ". This article is long enough to make a merge with Donald Trump on social media "too long". 96.41.32.39 (talk) 02:07, 5 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

There's only about 2 sentences that would need to be merged. The rest of this is WP:HTRIVIA-level stuff, to wit "If an item is too unimportant, be bold and remove it." Most of this is unimportant, per WP:IINFO, to wit " merely being true, or even verifiable, does not automatically make something suitable for inclusion in the encyclopedia." --Jayron32 02:52, 5 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I don't want to get into a debate as to which content in the article you would consider WP:HTRIVIA. The shear volume means that the article passes WP:GNG, and should be kept. Discussion on what part of the article should be removed on the grounds of WP:HTRIVIA should be done on the article's talk page, not on a discussion for deletion. WP:HTRIVIA should be applied on a fact by fact basis, not the article as a whole. 96.41.32.39 (talk) 05:59, 5 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Way, way below WP:SIZERULE (10 kB + 7 kB). – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 02:59, 5 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know how you got your numbers, but the article Donald Trump on social media is currently 32 KByte, and the article Covfefe is currently 22 KByte. Merging 22 KBytes into a 32 KByte article would make the general topic of Donald Trump on social media too heavily tilted towards a single word. 96.41.32.39 (talk) 05:47, 5 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Readable prose size, not total article size, as the guideline notes, using the User:Dr pda/prosesize gadget. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 11:20, 6 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

IP a merge does not entail literally taking everything from this article and putting it in Donald Trump on social media. This article only needs a two-sentence blurb about what it was and the brief influence it had. And your perception of GNG is a little hazy at best. "Shear volume" of an article is almost entirely irrelevant.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 06:12, 5 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I meant the "shear volume" of the coverage. And no, WP:109PAPERS does not apply in this case. WP:109PAPERS is for the case that all 109 newspapers say the same thing. In this article, the 38 references do not all say the same thing. Sure, while some facts in the article could be removed as fluff (WP:HTRIVIA in Wikipedia lingo), the article as a whole is fairly solid. I don't think it should be cut down to "a two-sentence blurb" given the amount of coverage that it has generated. 96.41.32.39 (talk) 06:49, 5 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep Article possesses world-historical importance. Symbolic of the astonishingly rapid decline in moral and intellectual standards and the decay of human civilization itself since Trump's violent seizure of power. 63.143.193.120 (talk) 03:33, 5 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

This outlandish comment might be considered a WP:BLPVIO. Considering the IP's other edits,[5] a block might be necessary. — JFG ^talk 06:02, 5 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, come on. The precipitous decline of intellectual standards in Western civilization is hardly demonstrated by a simple typo committed by a person who was never exactly a shining exemplar of Western intellectual standards in the first place. Bearcat (talk) 13:16, 5 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep Neologisms have their place. kencf0618 (talk) 04:21, 5 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete This is not even news, it's literally just distracting noise, and is unlikely to ever meet WP:SUSTAINED — Preceding unsigned comment added by GretLomborg (talk • contribs) 16:48, 5 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete or Merge - This is a neologism without a meaning, and thus we should not have a separate article on it. It might fit in a section in the article Donald Trump on social media, but not more than that. We are not in the business of providing speculation unless it is something with a scientific basis. RileyBugz^会話_投稿記録 17:49, 5 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Selectively merge to Donald Trump on social media#Covfefe, where it is already covered. This WP:BURP was a three-day wonder with RS coverage fading with the news cycle. • Gene93k (talk) 18:08, 5 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• I hate myself for saying this, because the whole thing is hilarious and it may be the sole ray of sunshine to counterbalance the misery that Trump has brought into the world, but it has to be a delete. Sure, it deserves a mention in connection with Trump's "unconventional" use of social media and maybe (only if there are references to support it!) his mental health, but it isn't a subject in itself. It does not need a whole article. It should redirect to whatever article it is mentioned in instead. --DanielRigal (talk) 18:11, 5 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete/merge Has had hardy any recent coverage since it happened and no profound effect on the world other than giving everyone a good laugh. The fad has come and gone. Lizard (talk) 18:41, 5 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • It is hardly the case that it has hard hardly any recent coverage. Here is the GoogleNews results for `covfefe' for the last 24 hours, including: US labour market covfefe, Drivers across nation race for 'COVFEFE' license plate, still up for grabs in Pennsylvania, Petition seeks to change city’s name to Covfefe, Ky., With 'covfefe', US anchor mocks Indian-American spelling bee champ, Auto-correct blunder is an opportunity to establish a covfefe zone, Trevor Noah turned 'covfefe' into an African film plot, Lalajava in Northborough brewing up a little fun with 'Covfefe Coffee' after President Donald J. Trump's tweet, Editorial: You say tomato, we say covfefe, etc. Nsk92 (talk) 19:58, 5 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge to Donald Trump on social media. Has no significance at all, just something silly Trump came up with to keep the whole media busy for a day. Mymis (talk) 19:13, 5 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Strong Delete The latest in the endless barrage of Trump hysteria around here. Article and subject fail WP:NOTNEWS, WP:RECENTISM, WP:DUE and the Ten Year Test. That's four strikes. If someone wants to insert a line into the Trump social media article I won't oppose it. But more than that is giving this waaay more attention than it deserves. Seriously? We are creating articles about a Twitter fail? Every day this place is looking more and more like an anti-Trump tabloid news site. (And FTR I can't stand the man.) -Ad Orientem (talk) 20:16, 5 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Darn right, Ad Orientem. That is what I said. This is not a "tabloid". Imagine Encyclopedia Britannica covering this? No self-respecting encyclopedia should. Plus, this is maybe a record-long AfD. We've been sucked into Trump-style attention-drawing, time-wasting, resource-draining nonsense. Humans (and Wikipedian, a higher form of human) should focus on more worthy matters. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 23:00, 5 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Britannica? Britannica Online has 120,000 articles. Wikipedia has 5.4 million. Whiff of greatness (talk) 23:34, 5 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Let's not get distracted from the point. We are talking about an article whose subject has roughly the same long term significance as what I had for lunch today. That this is even being seriously debated is embarrassing. -Ad Orientem (talk) 23:38, 5 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep for now at least. More notable than the orb. MB298 (talk) 23:44, 5 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• The orb is cooler (encyclopedicial usage of the word 'cooler', of course).Randy Kryn (talk) 23:52, 5 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. Worldwide coverage of social phenomenon, with an official response from the White House. Sagecandor (talk) 01:06, 6 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Second comment – Here's my second (far more detailed) comment:

Analysing the arguments

There are two main arguments here:

• The topic by far meets GNG.

• True, but does it overall meet notability standards?

• The topic fails WP:NOTNEWS.

• True, but does it overall meet notability standards?

As you can see, both main arguments are too narrow in their focus. But what about other arguments?:

• Fails the 10 year test.

• Just a tiny part of an explanatory supplement. No mentions in policies or guidelines.

• C'mon, it's just a cryptic tweet by an idiot.

• Perfectly correct, apart from the fact that it is not policy-based. :)

Still more rebuttals.

Analysing what people think

If this was an article on practically anything else in approximately the same circumstances, the closure would be 'No consensus' or 'Keep'. But this is about one of dozens of billions of tweets on Twitter, and one of thousands of cryptic tweets by Trump. It just so happens to be in the most concentrated area of Wikipedia, making it one of the longest AfDs ever in half a day.

My opinion

I think that 'covfefe' is a worldwide phenomenon, from being a Minecraft splash to featuring on the front page of the New York Times, and getting number plates + a joke petition to rename a town to 'Covfefegate'. I have thought well and this is my opinion:

Weak Keep for now, wait a year, and reconsider the validity of having an article about the topic with the coverage in books.

Whether or not there is significant coverage in books will help us truly decide whether NOTNEWS applies in this case.

Closure

I personally think merge is the best possible decision, but that should be decided on the talk page. Closing options:

• Redirect – Not much support for this case, so no.
• Delete – Will entirely ignore the 'keep' case, so no.
• No consensus – Will trigger a huge riot, so no
• Merge – Best possible solution, so yes
• Keep – Not really... no!
• Relist – Oh, not more, please... no!
• Wait – Maybe?
• Start a new AfD entirely – Maybe?
• My option – Let's wait and see...

So this is my comment, and please read it thoroughly. THIS COVERAGE IS NOT ROUTINE COVERAGE, which is what notnews applies to. I tried to set my opinion at an agreeable level, but still... J947^{(c) (m)} 01:50, 6 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment: Numerous sources compared this to: We begin bombing in five minutes, by Ronald Reagan. See: Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL. Sagecandor (talk) 01:53, 6 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge to Donald Trump on social media#Covfefe. Should be sufficient to cover the term for now. - Mailer Diablo 04:43, 6 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge to Donald Trump on social media#Covfefe. Looking at it from outside the US, I don't think every strange thing Trump says or does merits its own article. Sjö (talk) 08:23, 6 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge - I'll quickly dispense with the presumed notability of WP:GNG. Significant coverage - there are 41 citations in the article at this moment, spanning WashPo, Politico, New York Times, CNN, The Guardian, and BBC's Newsbeat as a few examples. This is just a handful of the many sources dedicated to covering this one tweet and that's just what's in the article now. Reliable - refer to the previous list, the answer is self-evident. Sources - again look at the previous list, all of these are secondary sources. Independent of the Subject - Yes. So, it meets presumed notability. I see a lot of NOTNEWS arguments above, I'd turn to WP:EVENTS rather than WP:NOTNEWS for this, but, I'll cover both anyway. In terms of NOTNEWS I think Wikipedia considers the enduring notability of persons and events. While news coverage can be useful source material for encyclopedic topics, most newsworthy events do not qualify for inclusion is most relevant. It's a fair point, but, the main feature is "enduring notability". The question is, is this a five minute talking point that will disappear from the collective memory of mankind by the end of the week, year, or will it remain for ten. Crystal balling aside, I can't really say one way or another, but, it'll live on as a minor thing that a few people will look at every now and then. By the end of the month 99% of the initial traffic will be gone, but, that's true of almost every single event based article on the encyclopaedia. Pick any major event we have an article for and look at the traffic received on the day of the event, one day after, one month after, and one year after. I picked the 2016 Nice attack as an example. On the day of the event it received 250,000+ views. By the next day it had dropped to 75,000. By the end of the week that was down to 25,000. By the same day the next month at 2,500. What do you know, exactly 1% of the traffic that existed on day 1. Now it's receiving a total of about 1,000 views a day. Compare it to Covfefe which is now at one week old news. Day 1; 28,000 views, Day 2: 50,000 views, Day 6: 7075 views. By the end of the month, I project it'll be receiving about 50 views a day. I'd personally look at this from the notability events guideline. Unless Covfefe enters the common parlance, and it probably won't, it won't have much of a lasting effect beyond the occassional person getting a laugh out of it. So no, it probably won't meet WP:LASTING. As for WP:GEOSCOPE; Coverage of an event nationally or internationally may make notability more likely, but such coverage should not be the sole basis for creating an article, while the Covfefe event went global, it shouldn't be the only reason for this article existing. Next comes WP:DEPTH - In-depth coverage includes analysis that puts events into context, such as is often found in books, feature length articles in major news magazines. The tweet left everyone puzzled. What came next is news sources, internet discussion boards, and regular old pundits trying to work out the meaning of the word covfefe and meaning of the tweet as whole. One word; Analysis. Just read the interpretation section of this article to see it for yourself. Then we get to WP:PERSISTENCE, like I've said above, it'll persist, but, only in a very minor sense. Last, but not least, WP:DIVERSE; Wikipedia's general notability guideline recommends that multiple sources be provided to establish the notability of a topic, not just multiple references from a single source. Refer to my list a while ago, it's a diverse array of sources. Where does this leave us? honestly, I'd like to keep the article. It's fairly well written, uses an array of good sources and goes into some detail. It's also just a hilarious article. Failing that, however, this should be merged into Donald Trump's use of social media where it already has a small dedicated section that links to the main article currently under discussion. Mr rnddude (talk) 13:29, 6 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Wait and if it is still relevant in a week, then Keep. Calicodragon (talk) 14:08, 6 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete It is not WP:NOTE. It's a tweet, nothing more than a tweet! This is a WP:ENCYCLOPEDIA and not a tabloid. Got a lot of media attention and was° soon gone again. Wikipedia is not WP:NEWS or WP:SOC. It's nothing we need in a week.--Rævhuld (talk) 14:11, 6 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge to Donald Trump on social media. This is just one of many social media gaffs by Trump, and taken as a whole, they are a notable facet of his presidency, but this single tweet, while garnering lots of immediate press attention, is not significant enough for its own article. It's an uncorrected typo. Funny, but hardly earth-shattering. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 14:36, 6 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect and merge to Donald Trump on social media. If in time it becomes an accepted part of the English language, e.g. Granfalloon, grok, vorpal, the article can be resurrected.--KTo288 (talk) 15:24, 6 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep WP:EVENT says Events are also very likely to be notable if they have widespread (national or international) impact and were very widely covered in diverse sources, especially if also re-analyzed afterwards. This has already been covered in a variety of sources, each of that are very different from the next. This is being analyzed overwhelmingly as the very meaning of this word is being guessed. It was received a tremendous depth of coverage, another criteria that renders it notable. We are also not supposed to rush to delete articles, especially if it's not a WP:BLP. We should at least let this remain another week or two before such consideration so we can see what happens. Given that this is an event, and this meets so many criteria for a notable event and is notable as an event, it might be worth calling it "Covfefe incident" in order to better comply. 96.95.28.1 (talk) 17:04, 6 June 2017 (UTC)— 96.95.28.1 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

But a "Covfefe" is an incident, so that would be like calling it the "incident incident". Actually I am pretty sure that "covfefe" means, like, a kerfluffle (a kind of messed up incident), but with a political twist. Anyhow Covfefe incident is now a redirect to Covfefe. --doncram 18:06, 6 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hats off to IP 96.95.28.1. This is a model of how AfD comments should be written. Whiff of greatness (talk) 03:44, 7 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep - I have to pile on the 'keep' side here. People decades from now will need to have an article on this subject. It is a cultural reference point. - Richard Cavell (talk) 17:41, 6 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Whether in the future people will "need" this article or not, this shouldn't be a reason for keeping the article.  Seagull123  Φ  23:18, 6 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep - It's silly but socially significant commentary on an acting president's indiscriminate use of Twitter. It is symbolic of a broader cultural shift from formal "presidential" tones to a casual, perhaps careless, use of the bully pulpit, the latest in a long series of poorly researched, barely thought out executive communications. Keep, but merge if need be. Arcataroger (talk) 18:35, 6 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep the content - this is plainly, undeniably, notable by our standards - but merge it into the broader article Donald Trump on social media. We should have this content, but it doesn't need a separate article. Robofish (talk) 23:03, 6 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Notable meme widely covered in the news media. 2602:306:CE95:57B0:689A:78BD:2711:7567 (talk) 23:21, 6 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge Should be merged with Donald Trump on social media. WP:PERSISTENCE says "a burst or spike of news reports does not automatically make an incident notable. Events that are only covered in sources published during or immediately after an event, without further analysis or discussion, are likely not suitable for an encyclopedia article." Even now, a week later, no news outlet will be reporting on it since it has already been reported on and there is nothing to update on. hillelfrei^{• talk •} 05:12, 7 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • There are plenty of examples of continuing in-depth coverage of the topic in the news. Here are a few examples from the last 24 hours: The 'covfefe' trend is sticking around, just ask these Texas drivers, Donald Trump’s “Covfefe” Will Probably Be Seen On Merchandise Soon, 'COVFEFE' UNDIES, BEER, COFFEE OR MERCH ... The Choice Is Yours!, $5 Russian Vodka Shots: D.C. Bar Will Start Pouring Early Thursday for ‘Comey Hearing Covfefe’, Businesses scramble For The ‘Covfefe’ copyright, D.C. bar Shaw's Tavern to host a covfefe for the Comey hearing, Can you trademark ‘covfefe’? These people and companies are trying, Optional definitions for the new word 'covfefe', Colbert Returns to Mock "Covfefe" and Trump's Climate Change Decision, Trump’s covfefe takes hold in the land of the spelling bee, Work of Art: Grab a cup of covfefe; we’ve got ‘alot’ to cover, And finally… covfefe™, etc. Nsk92 (talk) 05:55, 7 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep The fact of the president's typo is not notable in itself. The administration's subsequent damage control is of historical significance and therefore the entry must remain. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thuvia0511 (talk • contribs) 05:58, 7 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. In a rational world this wouldn't be notable -- but neither would Khloe Kardashian, most Youtube "celebrities", or that giraffe giving birth on camera, and the guy who first said "covfefe" wouldn't even have been elected dog catcher. The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo). Treated like dirt by many administrators since 2006. (talk) 09:43, 7 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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