The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. ‑Scottywong| squeal _ 19:48, 9 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Cleargreen Incorporated (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log · Stats)

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No evidence of notability Yworo (talk) 19:47, 12 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. No evidence whatsoever of notability.TheLongTone (talk) 21:15, 12 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. The page needs some work, but Cleargreen Corporation is notable for its relationship to Carlos Castaneda and for the controversies that surround him, and also for its recent legal battle over the patentability of Tensegrity movements. Mmyotis ^{(^^o^^)} 00:02, 20 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  Where are the sources? Google news searches for "Cleargreen Incorporated" and "Cleargreen Inc" return nothing. Precisely who took such notice as to make this notable? Yworo (talk) 00:03, 20 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  The following sources support the disposition to keep:

  • Salon, The Dark Legacy of Carlos Castaneda, http://www.salon.com/2007/04/12/castaneda/
  • New York Times, Mystery Man's Death Can't End the Mystery; Fighting Over Carlos Castaneda's Legacy, http://www.nytimes.com/1998/08/19/arts/mystery-man-s-death-can-t-end-mystery-fighting-over-carlos-castaneda-s-legacy.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm
  • Los Angeles Times, The Mystical Man, http://articles.latimes.com/1995-12-26/news/ls-17898_1_carlos-castaneda/2
  • Courthouse News Service, Carlos Castaneda's Granddaughter Claims Shamanistic Exercises Aren't Copyrightable, http://www.courthousenews.com/2011/10/07/40421.htm
  • Los Angeles Business Litigation Blog, Cleargreen Using Founder’s Grandaughter’s New Tensegrity, http://www.kleinlitigationblog.com/cleargreen-using-founder%E2%80%99s-grandaughter%E2%80%99s-new-tensegrity
  • RFC Express, Miles Reid et al v. Cleargreen Inc et al, http://www.rfcexpress.com/lawsuits/copyright-lawsuits/california-central-district-court/82969/miles-reid-v-cleargreen-inc/summary/Mmyotis ^{(^^o^^)} 17:10, 20 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Business-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 03:34, 18 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Courcelles 08:08, 19 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, —Theopolisme 17:15, 26 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Courcelles 00:05, 2 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• Merge into Carlos Castaneda, I do not see any separate notability.--Ymblanter (talk) 08:26, 2 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
• Possible merge - It seems Cleargreen Incorporated received the most attention because it was connected to Carlos Castaneda and the legacy dispute after his death as shown by Google News results. Because it seems this was an obscure organization with members strangely disappearing and Castaneda maintaining a low-profile, it's not surprising there wasn't much attention. His wife, Margaret Runyan Castaneda died last year and Cleargreen was briefly mentioned. Additionally, Google Books also found results which are mostly directories but the results near the bottom are a little more helpful, The Beauty of the Primitive and Genealogies of Shamanism. SwisterTwister talk 21:15, 2 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. Cleargreen is notable not only because during the last years of Carlos Castaneda's life it was the organization holding his public workshops, but also because since Castaneda's death the organization has continued to seek to spread Castaneda's teachings. Also of note is how employees of this company went missing soon after Castaneda's death, including their former president, Amalia Marquez (aka Talia Bey) and one of the primary performers in the original Tensegrity videos, Dee An Jo Ahlvers (aka Kylie Lundahl). Interesting issues also arose during the recent legal battle over Tensegrity. Cleargreen continues to be the primary marketer of Tensegrity, and supports Tensegrity practice groups in many countries. In addition, the organization has published statements claiming that two of the female authors formerly known as Castaneda's "witches" - Regine Thal (aka Florinda Donner Grau) and Maryann Simko (aka Taisha Abelar) - are allegedly still connected with the company behind the scenes, even though neither woman has been seen in public since 1998. The fact that several women connected with Cleargreen have long been missing is especially interesting given that in 2006 the bones of one of those missing women - Patty Partin (aka Nuri Alexander), Castaneda's adopted daughter - were positively identified using DNA testing after being found by the police in Death Valley. Pahrump Valley Times, February 10, 2006: http://archive.pahrumpvalleytimes.com/2006/02/10/news/remains.html djworrell ^{(^^o^^)} 20:13, 03 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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