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The result was delete. DIscounting all the "keep" opinions by accounts with curiously few edits.  Sandstein  18:53, 29 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Non-notable artist. Does not meet WP:NMUSIC or WP:GNG. No charted songs or albums. No albums released from a major label. There is claims to be on a charted single, but no references to back that claim. References are either press releases or brief mentions. No in depth coverage of artist. Makes a weak claim towards WP:ACADEMIC, but a review the paper cited shows that subject was only thanked in the paper, not an author of the paper. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 22:16, 20 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• KEEP. References that are present allow for enough information to be eligible for wikipedia. Verifiable objective evidence is included through the sources that are provided. This includes itunes, pandora, etc. Associated rapper includes papoose. Music video appeared on MTV. He might not have as much as senior artists, but I think enough to be eligible for wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Semyfayn (talk • contribs) 22:56, 20 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
• KEEP. My findings are such that this subject meets WP music notability as relevant info was added recently that support this. Subject has won 1st place in major national music competition. ^[1] Subject has a collaborative album that charted in Swiss Music Charts and had retail and digital release. ^[2] The subject has collaborated and made music with notable artists in his genre including Papoose, Ras Kass, SwizZz, and Gunplay. These artist have been or are in major labels and have had major label releases and also have an extensive body of music work. I found sources listing C-Tru performances in Europe and sources of these concert venues were added. These all meet the multiple criteria for WP music notability, and C-Tru's body of work is notable. In regards to the review of the science paper cited where subject was thanked, that fact was cited not for WP academic purposes but just to show background info on the subject and past work. Peruporfavor (talk) 03:10, 21 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Everymorning (talk) 23:33, 20 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of California-related deletion discussions. SwisterTwister talk 04:58, 21 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete as I found nothing good aside from one press release, simply too soon for a better article. BTW Gogo Dodo it's good to see you around AfD (you'd certainly be welcomed to come around here more often)! SwisterTwister talk 05:00, 21 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
• KEEP. Upon further research the subject has satisfied a number of the criteria for music notability. Eg. subject of multiple published works, has album on Switzerland music chart, non-trivial coverage of international tour, has collaborated and worked with notable music artists, has won first place in a major music competition, has been placed in rotation on major television network (MTV)^[3] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Karisma808 (talk • contribs) 18:43, 21 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment: None of your claims establish notability or hold up upon further scrutiny. I see no references to back up the claim of "multiple publish works". I see one press release, a reprint of a press release, and a blog post about the press release on the competition win (which has issues all on its own). All other references either do not mention C-Tru or are not published works independent of the artist. The claims that the artist has an album that charted on the Swiss charts is misleading. The album is by another artist, DJ Swissivory, which establishes DJ Swissivory's notability, not C-tru's. Appearing on the album does not qualify for being C-tru's album. The "non-trivial coverage" of touring is trivial: all references are just schedule listings, no articles about the tour. Collaborating with notable artists does not make one notable. It is just name dropping. There are no reliable sources showing that competition won is a "major" music competition or notable event. It looks to me to be a marketing event. The MTV claim is for DJ Swissivory's video, so you have again established DJ Swissivory's notability, not C-tru's. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 20:39, 21 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment: The MTV video does establish notability, as it includes 3 rappers: Papoose, C-tru, and Spits Nelson. This is a collaboration, i.e. team work. Feel free to watch the video. Swissivory was the DJ for the song. Moreover, a collaborative effort does not mean name dropping, but rather that it was a group effort. C-tru is up-and-rising, his Wikipedia should not be removed because of this. I feel that there are enough sources to meet criteria. Also, the “Real Dreams” album was #59 in the Swiss Charts, in which C-tru was features in at least 4 of the songs. This further establishes notability and eligibility for Wikipedia.
• Comment: In the composition of music works, the writers and collaborators play a very integral part in the success of the song, during the Grammy's all of the writers of a song are brought on stage, recognized and receive the award as well. Therefore the subject is notable for being a major contributor as writer and performer for a charting album. A search on C-Tru in American music publishing database for ASCAP ACE under "Writers" show this subjects published works. https://www.ascap.com/Home/ace-title-search/index.aspx In regards to the MTV music video, the subject is shown prominently as he is the main performer of the entire song chorus, the second verse, and the bridge. As that is the main single which received the most exposure and college radio play for the collaborative album "Real Dreams" it can be argued that the subject's work had significant influence on the success of the charting album. Therefore DJ Swissivory's notability is also in direct correlation to the notability of the subject. Peruporfavor (talk) 19:42, 26 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment: I saw this music video on MTV and decided to start a page for each rapper. I saw that Papoose had a wiki page, so then I moved to the next one, which was C-tru. It was relatively easy to find objective information, and I feel that C-tru should be part of wiki. Thank you. -Semyfayn
• Keep. Subject reminds me of MC Jin, notable for being one of the first rappers of Asian descent to achieve mainstream recognition in the U.S. rap markets. The subject's music accomplishments seem more significant being that artists of Asian descent are one and few in the mainstream hip-hop genre. It is noteworthy the artist was found in the hip-hop music genre working with accomplished rap artists and has a fan base to tour in Europe. With the globalization of hip-hop music I think this subject will be an important addition to wiki as his inclusion further expands wiki's expansive reference of different types of artists in the hip-hop genre.Djhero2099 (talk) 18:53, 26 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment: WP:OTHERSTUFF and MC Jin is signed to a record label, has released albums with said label, has film and television credits, and covered multiple independent reliable sources. C-tru has none of these. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 19:27, 26 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Switzerland-related deletion discussions. C-tru 19:13, 26 September 2015 (UTC)globalmario

• Delete Despite all the "keep" !votes, nobody seems to have uncovered any solid sources able to withstand closer examination. --Randykitty (talk) 16:15, 28 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete No substantive coverage of the subject has been turned up in reliable, independent sources. I could also not find any. Jujutacular (talk) 17:44, 28 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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