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The result was delete‎. A redirect was mentioned as an ATD but I don't see a consensus for it in the discussion. An editor can independently create this if you so choose. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:29, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Benjamin Clark (chef) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log | edits since nomination)

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Deleted once before for failing WP:NOTMEMORIAL/ WP:VICTIM. Not seeing any significant difference between this and the last time it was taken to AFD by Oaktree b. Granted it was a soft delete outcome first time round. A possible WP:ATD would be redirect to List of victims of the September 11 attacks (A–G). I would suggest article protection if we do that to prevent recreation. 4meter4 (talk) 06:15, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People, Food and drink, Terrorism, and New York. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 06:40, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 06:40, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  Delete in accordance with WP:NOTMEMORIAL and WP:VICTIM policies, as nominated. Spideog (talk) 13:01, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  Comment: Refrained from participating in the first deletion discussion as I was waiting for input from at least one person other than myself or the nominator, which ultimately didn't happen. At the time, my belief was that Clerk met WP:VICTIM due to having "a large role" (potentially saving the lives of hundreds of Fiduciary Trust employees, as reported by both his wife and Fiduciary's senior vice president) "within a well-documented historic event" (9/11) with "persistent coverage of the event in reliable secondary sources that devote significant attention to the individual's role" (both the CNN and The Daily Beast explicitly cover Clark and his role in the attacks without reading outright like obituaries, and he's mentioned alongside a few other 9/11 victims in the New York Times article). It may be worth noting that Clark was also profiled as a "9/11 Hero" by CNN on the first anniversary of the attacks [[1]]. In the event this article is deleted a second time, I have no intention of recreating it. ★ The Green Star Collector ★ (talk) 14:54, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The daily beast source is pretty good IMO, so I see what the thought was in making this article. However, the rest, not so much, and the one source is not enough. @The Green Star Collector Can you find any more like that? PARAKANYAA (talk) 20:27, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

There is an Irish Examiner article ([[2]], but it's unfortunately a copy and paste of the Daily Beast article (published three days later and credits the same author). I could've sworn I came across a New York Post article mentioning Clark (as well as a few other victims), though I opted not to include it at the time due to the publication's skew toward unreliability. As the creator of this article, I'll be throwing in my own vote for deletion as well unless this can somehow be resolved. ★ The Green Star Collector ★ (talk) 22:41, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah delete for me as well I'm afraid. I understand your thought in making this but that one article is not enough. PARAKANYAA (talk) 23:58, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete: Still nothing notable about the chef. Died in the attack. You could literally replace "chef" with any other job in the story, and you'd be in the same place. Guy in the towers, helped people out but passed away. Was a non-notable chef (he isn't Gordon Ramsay) and hundreds of people helped hundreds of others escape. This is a simple memorial page, perhaps better served at a 9/11 wiki somewhere... I've said before, we don't need a detailed life history of every single person that died on 9/11, unless they did something to stand out from the other people. Chef/janitor/office worker, they all passed away. Nothing lasting about this person's influence almost 25 years later at this point. Oaktree b (talk) 21:42, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Crime-related deletion discussions. PARAKANYAA (talk) 21:58, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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