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The result was delete. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:45, 7 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Subject is a mixed martial arts fighter. Subject fails WP:NMMA for not having at least 3 fights under top tier promotion and subject also fails GNG for the fight info is merely routine report. Cassiopeia talk 22:13, 23 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. Cassiopeia talk 22:13, 23 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Martial arts-related deletion discussions. Cassiopeia talk 22:13, 23 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Women, Boxing, and Colorado. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 22:18, 23 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Strong oppose. CFCC fights have been deemed notable in the past per Wikipedia policy. Subject has headlined a notable card opposite a notable UFC fighter. Subject is scheduled for third notable fight two weeks in Bellator. This satisfies the presumption. --Sorry sir, that's classified information (talk) 22:24, 23 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: CFCC is second tier promotion, let alone top tier and subject has not had 3 fights under Bellator as per Wikipedia MMA guidelines. WP:CRYSTAL. Cassiopeia talk 22:32, 23 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Response: "Presumed notable if criteria is met" does not mean "is not notable if criteria is not met." I believe user above requested deletion primarily because I asked for help on the Teahouse in formatting references as more than straight URLs, as there are more references I wish to add that establish notability.. --Sorry sir, that's classified information (talk) 22:41, 23 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: I didnt know you ask help from Teahouse and notability is being met and not about maybe it is met as current stage which is not. You can find all the sources you can prior the article is deleted but do understand about GNG and NMMA well because the subject does not passed them. When subject have 3 fights under Bellator, we will write up the article even you dont for I and another MMA editor keep track of all the up coming notable MMA fighter in Wikipedia. Be well and be safe. Cassiopeia talk 22:59, 23 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Keep subject is notable per sources. --174.63.101.95 (talk) 00:03, 24 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: It should be per Wikipedia notability guidelines and not sources only. Pls familiar yourself in the notability guidlines. Cassiopeia talk 00:06, 24 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: If this is WP:TOOSOON; then draftify while waiting to see if her career progresses to Bellator. David notMD (talk) 10:34, 24 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: As of present, the subject has 0 fights in the top promotion and there is no guarantee the subject would have 3 fights in top promotion in the future. Even the subject have/would singed with top promotion there will be at least 2 years, if no injury, no cancellation of fights, no other reasons and everything goes smoothly, it would take about 2 years from now and there is no guarantee the subject would won the fights in top promotion and stay in the promotion for 3 fights. When the subject is notable, we can always create the article. Drafting would stay only in Wikipedia for 6 months and no point to drafity for a subject is WP:CYRSTAL. Cassiopeia talk 23:37, 24 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comment:Just because those criteria aren't met doesn't mean a subject isn't notable. This comes off as very battlegroundy to me. WP:BATTLEGROUND --174.63.101.95 (talk) 06:56, 27 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: This is Article for deletion discussion and not a battleground. Article stays in the main space is based Wikipedia notability guidelines. If an article/subject does not meet the requirements then it will be deleted. Cassiopeia talk 02:11, 28 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Then you are saying to delete a well written and sourced article so that it can't be recovered. Are you sure you aren't being territorial and angry that guy encroached on you? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:281:D47F:8330:AC66:62ED:9C0D:F5AC (talk) 06:28, 25 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Deleted article can always be REFUND and work on and resubmit when the subject is notable. Even if the creator does not want the refund, I will create the article when the subject is notable for I and another editor keep track of all up coming notable MMA fighters in Wikipedia. Cassiopeia talk 08:28, 25 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I could be wrong here, but it appears as though the two IP addresses are either the same person using different devices, or two people coordinating off-wiki... I could be wrong, but it's a little more than coincidental in this particular manner.. SPF121188 ^{(tell me!) (contribs)} 12:39, 28 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete for now. Newspaper.com brings up lots of results for the name, but in the first few pages, none of the results related to the subject, so really this one fails NMMA and GNG. Have to agree with nomination here. SPF121188 ^{(tell me!) (contribs)} 19:36, 25 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete CFCC is not a top tier promotion, case is WP:TOOSOON. ♡RAFAEL♡^(talk) 07:09, 26 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete The CFCC has never been considered top tier, or even close. She fails to meet WP:NMMA, WP:NBOX, WP:NKICK, and WP:GNG. Currently she has zero top tier MMA fights so she's a long way from being notable as an MMA fighter. Papaursa (talk) 19:40, 27 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Subject does not meet WP:NMMA yet. MrsSnoozyTurtle 00:49, 5 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — Mhawk10 (talk) 06:00, 5 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete Contains very weak sources. 180.194.127.148 (talk) 06:22, 5 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete fails WP:NMMA. Knight Skywalker (talk) 13:39, 5 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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