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The result was redirect‎ to List of mayors of Cairns. as an ATD. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:29, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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So, mayors are not inherently notable under WP:NPOL, neither in WP:NSUBPOL. They have to pass WP:GNG to qualify for a standalone entry. This is currently not the case here as this subject fails GNG as a matter of fact. The current sources, with the exception of Cairnes Post, do not satisfy WP:SIGCOV. This is supposed to be simple for someone who understands WP:NPOL works. Cairns as a city is not significantly large based on population census. Overall, mayors should simply not be kept if they do not pass WP:GNG all in the name of WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. Just to be fair, a WP:BEFORE did not return anything useful also. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 21:10, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People, Politicians, Women, and Australia. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 21:10, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. Fails WP:NPOL and WP:SIGCOV.4meter4 (talk) 22:35, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete From what I can see, only the "Who is Cairns' likely mayor Amy Eden?" article is SIGCOV. I couldn't find anything else online. Toadspike (talk) 11:46, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Fails WP:NPOL. 3 of the sources are from the Electoral Commission that don't establish notability. LibStar (talk) 04:28, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Comments - again, one of these marginal situations that, if there were better sourcing, I could go with a keep. Cairns is a big regional city in the northeastern side of Australia. Right now, I don't see any secondary sources. Bearian (talk) 16:24, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Just added a number of additional sources if that helps Totallynotarandomalt69 (talk) 12:07, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. NPOL is simply for presumed notability—not meeting the blanket presumption does not mean someone is not notable. The nominator concedes that the Cairns Post meets SIGCOV, and the ABC obviously meets it too. More broadly, and at the risk of opening a larger conversation, I think the presumption of notability needs to be reconsidered insofar as we apply it to Australian mayors. I readily acknowledge we are in a grey zone: mayors of microscopic rural WA councils are not inherently notable, but I contend mayors of significant population centres are notable—not just lord mayors of capital cities but also those of significant population centres like Cairns, which is the main urban area for a vast geographical region. For mine, any mayor of an LGA acknowledged as a city in Australia should be presumed notable; Australia does not abuse the "city" designation like, say, the US does, where a place with 10 people will be "X City". The idea Cairns is not a significant population centre is ludicrous; it is a major tourism destination and has one of the busiest airports in Australia (the second-busiest non-capital airport, busier than 3/8 state and territory capitals). It seems absurd to me that Wikipedia has pages for individual episodes of TV shows but would delete the profile of a mayor of a Queensland city. We lose nothing by including an article on a mayor of a major population centre. Axver (talk) 11:41, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is not a reason for keeping. Comparing mayors to TV shows is far fetched. The fact that Cairns has a busy airport somehow relates to the notability of the Mayor? LibStar (talk) 09:40, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  @Axver: "...I contend mayors of significant population centres are notable... – If that's your belief, one which I don't believe is widely held, then you should propose an amendment to WP:NPOL. As of now, that's simply not how it works. Hey man im josh (talk) 17:32, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Issues with the article needing more sources can easily be addressed without the page needing to be deleted, Cairns is a notable city and notable LGA Totallynotarandomalt69 (talk) 11:51, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Vanderwaalforces, if the Delete vote wins (as it appears it might) can I suggest the page is instead just redirected to List of mayors of Cairns? Totallynotarandomalt69 (talk) 23:05, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Totallynotarandomalt69 Perhaps, that is doable. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 00:06, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Only suggesting in the (non-impossible) event that Eden meets wider notability in the near future, plus as the mayor of a significant city I wouldn't be surprised if her name is searched a notable amount by other wiki users Totallynotarandomalt69 (talk) 00:11, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete Every local politician doesn’t get their own Wiki article. In any case, this one doesn’t meet WP:GNG guidelines and this article should be deleted. Go4thProsper (talk) 14:20, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: Does not meet WP:GNG. TarnishedPath^talk 22:16, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: this issue has occured before with other mayors, see https://w.wiki/9gw7 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Teraplane (talk • contribs) 08:05, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: Per nom. Doesn't meet WP:NPOL & WP:GNG. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 20:02, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: Fails to meet WP:GNG and the coverage available appears to be run of the mill and routine. Hey man im josh (talk) 00:53, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:12, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete: 7 of the 14 references are not avialable for many to view as they are behind a News Corp paywall. Makes it difficult to assess the article as a whole. Teraplane (talk) 00:57, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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