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The result was keep. Sam Walton (talk) 12:56, 3 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Notability not established, per WP:BASIC and WP:ANYBIO. Magnolia677 (talk) 15:33, 25 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep The sources are RS. Now I can't access all of them, but the ones I could, I added links to them. I also found a bio about Robinson online on Blackpast.org. She is written about in a number of books, and assuming good faith on the references we can't access, she passes GNG. Megalibrarygirl (talk) 23:54, 26 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure what she's notable for? Magnolia677 (talk) 00:03, 27 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

She's a notable member of the Fisk singing group, first female graduate of her university and she passes GNG. Megalibrarygirl (talk) 17:24, 27 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete No claim of notability and I don't AGF on sources offhand when it comes to AfD. Chris Troutman (talk) 01:24, 27 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep -- The first female black graduate from a southern university is surely notable for just that. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:42, 27 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• I don't see how that equals notability. Do we have an article about the first blonde person to fly across the Atlantic while wearing non-aviator sunglasses? Chris Troutman (talk) 16:59, 27 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Chris troutman, being the first out of a nationality, gender or ethnic group to accomplish something is often an indicator of notability. Being the first blonde person to fly across the Atlantic is not. However, the first Swedish person (who may or may not be blonde) to fly across the Atlantic would be. Hope that clears that up. Also... can you point to any guidelines that prohibit WP:AGF for offline sources? Megalibrarygirl (talk) 17:24, 27 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• @Megalibrarygirl: As I've said: "I don't AGF on sources offhand when it comes to AfD. That's no one's policy but mine as I think SIGCOV is fine until we have to decide between keeping and deleting. I might on occasion let a single source I can't read slip by on a GA nom or even at AfC but I can't allow a pile of unverified-by-me content to change my !vote. You claim "being the first out of a nationality, gender or ethnic group to accomplish something is often an indicator of notability" but I see no evidence for this. Granted, the media will often make a big deal out this sort of thing since they're trying to publish and get eyeballs but WP:N does not say that we use quotas to include people for whatever reason. You can, of course, have your own opinion about notability. I just don't think it appropriate. Chris Troutman (talk) 17:55, 27 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• OK, Chris troutman, I thought you were going off your own interpretation of AGF and AfD conduct. Thanks for clearing that up. She passes GNG whether or not she's a "first." Furthermore, I'm not going off my opinion of notability, it's pretty well laid out here on Wiki. She is, however, a first, if others want to look to that. Please read the article which I edited and added some RS which can be accessed online: she's the first female graduate of Fisk. It's in the first paragraph. I'm asking around with my library contacts to see if we can't fill in the rest of the offline sources. Megalibrarygirl (talk) 18:05, 27 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep - multiple, independent reliable sources exist: the two by Ward and the one by Richardson give Robinson significant coverage. Smmurphy^(Talk) 18:54, 27 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Appears to satisfy WP:GNG. — Malik Shabazz ^Talk/_Stalk 01:10, 28 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment Magnolia677 and Chris troutman both seem to be under the impression that the subjects of Wikipedia biographies are required to accomplish something notable. They're not. (Which is not to say that America W. Robinson, the subject of this biography, had no accomplishments.) A person merely needs to be the subject of significant independent reliable coverage. Nothing more. If you don't like the rule, try to build consensus to change it. — Malik Shabazz ^Talk/_Stalk 01:10, 28 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

When did I say I didn't like the rule? Magnolia677 (talk) 16:20, 28 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Malik Shabazz: It's unfortunate you didn't bother to read what I've already written above. Perhaps you should base your comments on what I said rather than constructing a strawman. Chris Troutman (talk) 16:35, 28 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep - reiterate that multiple independent reliable sources exits. Notability well-established. One of 2 first females to graduate from Fisk. A key member of the Fisk Jubilee Singers.InfoDataMonger (talk) 16:35, 1 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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