The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. I would love to close this as "delete", as I think that beauty pageants are incredibly sexist (yes, there are talent sessions, but what gets all the attention is the bathing suit flesh parade). However, there clearly is no consensus to keep or delete. Randykitty (talk) 17:17, 3 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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REDIRECT to Miss Universe Sri Lanka. Fails WP:GNG - the winner of a national beauty pageant (see WP:1EVENT) however no other significant achievements. Failed to place at international level. Dan arndt (talk) 06:02, 19 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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• Redirect to Miss Universe Sri Lanka#TitleholdersDelete per proposer and my arguments here: [1][2][3]. --David Tornheim (talk) 08:41, 19 April 2019 (UTC) [revised 09:03, 19 April 2019 (UTC)][reply]
• Keep 1Event? Ive added another from five years later. Beauty Pageants are big in some cultures. Contract and compare with this list where the women were just "in" some US mag. [[4]] Victuallers (talk) 09:42, 19 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Victuallers: What's the other event? An interview (which by itself I would believe is just WP:PRIMARY, unless that interview is mentioned in other secondary sources--is it?) I clicked on some of the women in the List of Playboy Playmates of the Month you provided, and the first two or three just point to a list. They don't have their own page. I am suggesting to do the same with a redirect to the list. --David Tornheim (talk) 09:53, 19 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete There is not enough coverage for becoming a beauty queen to show notability. Other stuff exists is a horrible argument. If you feel that articles on particular people glorified by playboy are not justified, nominate those articles for deletion. I would in general support such deletions in most cases. The fact of the matter is that from 2006-2012 Wikipedia was a wild west of creationism and we are now suffering the negative consequnces of such unreastained growth. John Pack Lambert (talk) 01:56, 20 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep - won the national title and competed at an international level at one of the "big 4" international beauty pageants. As in sports, participating in the premier international competition indicates notability. MurielMary (talk) 10:00, 20 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment, I can’t believe that are you are comparing a pageant based purely on a persons appearance against a sporting contest, which requires physical and mental skills. Besides in most cases, apart from the Olympics, an individual needs to have at least placed in an international competition, to be considered notable. Dan arndt (talk) 11:19, 20 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

And I absolutely cannot believe that you have nominated these articles for deletion when you clearly have such limited knowledge of the subject matter! Beauty pageants are *not* judged purely on appearance; there are multiple sections for talent performance, presenting a charity the contestant has been involved with, completing an interview, completing a sports event and actual modelling tasks. It's an all-round competition and the winners are celebrities in their own countries. MurielMary (talk) 07:59, 21 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

This is not at all true. We had a long lasting RfC discussion on beauty pageants, and an attempts to create a list of competitions that entering made people default notable was rejected. MurialMary's proposal is against community consensus. John Pack Lambert (talk) 21:13, 21 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Redirect to the pageant's page (if any). --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 19:15, 26 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak Keep - Per Sourcing, per other ventures beside pageant title. WP:GNG applies here. Guidelines are here to guide us, still no one above seems to think anything but POV applies. BabbaQ (talk) 09:14, 27 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep, for the reasons of those who want this article kept. Davidgoodheart (talk) 13:17, 27 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment, WP:GNG requires significant coverage in multiple reliable independent secondary sources. Given the arguments above she is notable for owning a travel agency and living with her boyfriend for five years before getting married - based on an uncollaborated personal interview. Clearly fails GNG. Dan arndt (talk) 00:07, 28 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep passes WP:ANYBIO has won a major award. "Miss Sri Lanka 2013 and represented her country at the Miss Universe 2013 pageant." WP:NOTPAPER Lubbad85 (☎) 21:51, 29 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Lubbad85: I have to admit that is a pretty strong argument, which if valid would immediately make a good portion, if not all, of the people on the list Miss_Universe_Sri_Lanka#Titleholders notable. The problem is determining if either the title Miss Universe Sri Lanka or multiple nominations to Miss Universe is sufficient for notability. @Dan arndt: I am increasingly of the opinion that this uncertainty might warrant an RfC on these questions. --David Tornheim (talk) 22:06, 29 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete Besides its reliance on poor sources, the issue I have with most articles on beauty queens is that they say they “represented” their country in a major pageant that they don’t even make the Top 16 of. How is notability derived from that? Just standing their in a nice gown and smiling yet not advancing? It’s a no for me. Trillfendi (talk) 00:05, 30 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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