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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Abdul Majeed Khan Marwat

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. NW (Talk) 22:58, 27 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Abdul Majeed Khan Marwat

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The article doesn't meet the Wiki:Notability, as the rank is not anything but below a Joint Secretary of British Bureaucracy. There are hundreds of Additional Inspector Generals of Police in Pakistan. In any case it is not something which shouldn't be hinted. Recommended for Strong Deletion --LineofWisdom (talk) 20:04, 8 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete. The article subject has not been the subject of secondary published material, only trivial mentions. Fails WP:BIO. Kevin (talk) 05:58, 10 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Delete. Purely looks like a vanity insertion either by himself or by his relatives. Also doesn't meet the Wiki notability Policies. There are several hundreds of police officers of this rank in Pakistan only, what to say of the rest of the world. Wikipedia can not have separate pages for each of them. He would have been worthy of inclusion had he been martyred in a suicide bomb while showing some gallantry.-- MARWAT  13:24, 10 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Not Deleted.Kindly refer to Cabinet Secratariat Notification as of Sept. 2001 in which the rank of Addl.IGP has been placed eqv. to that of Major General of Army, Addl. Secretary to the Federal Govt.Establishment Division notification of June 6,1993 says Addl.IGP shall wear ranks as that of a Major General. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rayofwisom (talk • contribs)
  • Delete So what if he is even a plus, Lieutenant General, then Major General? An article could be created, when he would reach the rank of Interior Minister or holder of any othe Public Representative Office (PRO). The same user has also created article about his cousin Dil Jan Khan, which clearly proofs this as a vanity insertion either by himself or by any of his relatives. --203.99.182.114 (talk) 19:41, 10 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 22:50, 14 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Should not be Deleted.If this article is deleted that all articles on Police Officers should be deleted. Or it will be bias. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.73.5.111 (talk) 11:30, 15 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Delete There are Millions of Police Officers around the world. Atleast Hundred thousands would be in same rank of his or muc senior to him. It is strange that why the deletion process isn't taking place and the discussion is prolonged? --LineofWisdom (talk) 11:34, 15 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Not to be Deleted. I agree if a senior Pakistani officer does not find place on this page, then all police officers around the world who have been placed on wikipedia, their articles must be deleted. Otherwise, it is racial discrimination. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rayofwisom (talk • contribs) 11:38, 15 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • To be Deleted> Wikipedia has Articles for several Pakistani police officers, who are notable and worthy to be given place here. When a position, which is somewhat low-rank and also not notable, even have no special contribution of gallantry or martyred, why should it be given a separate article? This totally seems a family member's insertion, as you could see the same user Rayofwisom is using different User Name as previously he remakred from same IP 119.73.5.111. — Preceding unsigned comment added by LineofWisdom (talk • contribs)
  • Keep Essentially, head of the police of one of the most difficult areas to police in the world, and formerly head of police of a major city, peshawar, population 2 million. That alone would have been sufficient. DGG ( talk ) 00:26, 16 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
It is part of his duty to work out here, Thousand of officers like him are working there at NWFP. Th position is not distinguished from, any other of its class. It is a low rank position, which just deals with the local police, not with the National Police. In world there are numerous cities with 10 Million poppulation but there police head's rank is not something special. It is just an officer who is to perform duty, wther in a city, at one or another province. In any case it doesn't fulfill the criteria of Wikipedia:Notability. If it does, I would be happy, as then I would be able to create more than 1000 Articles for such-ranked officer only in Pakistan. --LineofWisdom (talk) 07:15, 16 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Please do not strike out !votes from good-faith users. -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 07:16, 16 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note to Closing Admin Note to Nyttend I not only respect your comments but of each individual here. I am surfing Wikipedia since 2008, atleast once in fortnight. I recently created this I.D when it felt that being a native and Marwat myself, I must not keep quite on the issues relating to my tribe and its elder. I don't know how Marwatt is so confidant that I am Sock of other user who is much criticised for none. Now, when he has challenged my indetity, it is his moral duty to prove that I am using sock. Actually, he cannot see someone voting against him. He neverwants someone else than him, espcially from Marwat tribe, to speak and have freedom of writing here. If I am uneligible to vote on the very first day - my aim for making this I.D is cleared above - then my vote be declared null and void. But I request you administrators to track the previous record (from 2006 to date) of this user Marwatt to know his state of mind on article Marwat. It wonders me that he never talks regarding the deletion or whatever the subject is, but always challenges the Users' authority to defend any of the Articles that he wants to be here, wether of a Notable or obscure personality. In the end, is it fair to talk about users at Article for Deletions, rather debating and addressing the issues? Is there no administrator to stop his such notorious writings? --Marwat786 (talk) 17:07, 17 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Right forum I condemn the allegations you have charged upon me which has nothing to do with me but to provoke administrators, who, I am sure are quite intellect selections of Wikipedia. I just want to ask, is this the right forum to curse, accuse or blame anyone for anything? Here you should discuss the deletion or keeping of the article not to curse someone who have opposing opinion to yours. --LineofWisdom (talk) 06:01, 18 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete He may be doing great work in a difficult job, but his rank is too low to be notable. Opening the doors for any police person of this rank (assuming no separate notability) is not a good idea.YobMod 11:04, 18 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
*Keep I think it should be kept. I went through different articles on wikipedia about serving Police Officers. many police officers whose rank was junior to this have been given a place and thus it gives the notion that they fulfill the criterion of WP notable person. To my knowledge being a retired mid-level Police Officer, Additional IGP is the second senior most rank in police. The jurisdiction of the office currently occupied by the officer is whole of province of NWFP. (Begukhan (talk) 11:11, 18 August 2009 (UTC))— Begukhan (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
This user is a checkuser  Confirmed sock of Rayofwisom (talk · contribs). J.delanoygabsadds 17:41, 19 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep being the top cop in Peshawar seems clearly notable. Wikipedia needs these types of articles as they do much to counter systemic bias to American topics and popkult stuff. Bigdaddy1981 (talk) 22:34, 18 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note to Admin I read many articles about Police Officer in WP whose rank is eqv. to DIG of Pakistan's Police. still there articles are here. Addl. IGP is a second senior most rank in Pakistan's police. (Begukhan (talk) 05:22, 19 August 2009 (UTC))[reply]
USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST. (read this as, "See above") J.delanoygabsadds 17:41, 19 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 23:22, 21 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Speedy Delete: Nothing out of the ordinary here as there is no gallantry nor some locally or nationally recognized leadership displayed by him. He is just performing a common routine bureaucratic cop job. 100% vanity page inserted either by himself or his kids. There are hundreds of Civil Servants like him in Pakistan alone, what to say of the rest of the world and Wikipedia can not afford to have pages for such bureaucrats. Yes he would have merited a place here if he had displayed even a little bit of personal heroism and leadership as was displayed by one of his junior cop Malik Saad who has become a local legend.-- MARWAT  07:45, 23 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Conclude As the consensus on Deletion of article is chiefly there, I would like to request to administrator and operator to Delete the page as per policy. --LineofWisdom (talk) 09:09, 26 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment - An administrator has relisted this AFD for one week (see above) due to sockpuppetry muddling everything. So there is no clear concensus. There is no need to rush. an amdinistrator will evaluate the discussion at the end of teh reslisting period and take appropriate action. -- Whpq (talk) 13:17, 26 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Keep - Chief of Police for a large city is a significant position. There is evidence for local coverage in English, and I suspect more in non-English sources. -- Whpq (talk) 13:27, 26 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - I think it should be kept . (Abbasmaj (talk) 15:42, 26 August 2009 (UTC))[reply]
Okay... why? TruthGal (talk) 06:57, 27 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - Notability has not been established for the subject. The sources are quotes he has said as police chief and none deal with him personally as the subject. Fails WP:BIO, as has been already stated. If someone could produce reliable sources dealing with the subject of the article then notability could be established and the article could be kept. Narthring (talk • contribs) 17:50, 26 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Whpq another article Sarfaraz Khan Marwat had the same problem but it was conclude in due time, result of which was Deletion. Attention the Abbasmaj is the same one who have created this article. So he will for sure vote in favour. But the article fails to meet criteria of Wikipedia:Notability and Wikipedia:Bio. --LineofWisdom (talk) 19:11, 26 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per User:DGG, User:Lithorien Internal differences between editors should not be the reason for nominating an AFD --Notedgrant (talk) 07:44, 27 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Matter? If there is even any internal difference, it shouldn't be the reason to keep un-notable article. Infact, what is the notability of a police office which is for every city of Pakistan and of many coutnries of teh world? --LineofWisdom (talk) 08:04, 27 August 2009 (UTC)at[reply]
  • Delete Abdul Majeed Marwat was my class-fellow, at University of Peshawar in late 70s. He is a thorough gentleman, I just spoke to him on telephone about helping me out in registering an F.I.R (First Information Report). But he is just a cop / police officer like uncountable over the globe. By the way he is also transfered from the position and would soon take charge as D.I.G (deputy Inspector General) at Hazara division. --WikipedianBug (talk) 19:29, 27 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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