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The result was Redirect all except 2012–13 Rot-Weiß Oberhausen season which wil be deleted. If any of them can be improved to be more than a list of results then they can be re-instated. Black Kite (talk) 17:36, 27 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

2012–13 SC Paderborn 07 season (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log · Stats)

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2012–13 Rot-Weiß Oberhausen season (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

2012–13 SV Darmstadt 98 season (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

2012–13 FSV Frankfurt season (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

2012–13 Rot-Weiß Erfurt season (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

2012–13 FC Erzgebirge Aue season (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

2012–13 FC Energie Cottbus season (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

No hope of that these pages will ever be complete Kingjeff (talk) 04:36, 29 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I can make updates at least for the 2. Bundesliga sides, will need time though MbahGondrong (talk) 06:58, 29 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Feel free to make changes. It's very early and if you think you can save some of the articles for deletion, try too. Kingjeff (talk) 07:01, 29 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Germany-related deletion discussions. hmssolent\^{You rang?} _{ship's log} 04:58, 29 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment. 2012–13 Rot-Weiß Oberhausen season is about a fourth division club's season, the only one we have for a club at this level in Germany for 2012–13. Given the state of the article I would say delete for this one while the others, second and third division clubs should probably be kept and expanded. However, if no volunteers can be found to expand them I would vote for delete as well. The tiny bit that's there can always be recreated again if necessary. Calistemon (talk) 12:36, 29 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. 2012–13 Rot-Weiß Oberhausen season should be deleted since the Regionalliga in Germany is not in the WP:FPL list. MbahGondrong (talk) 20:05, 3 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete all. I'd say in their current state. -Koppapa (talk) 17:34, 29 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Football-related deletion discussions. hmssolent\^{You rang?} _{ship's log} 04:58, 29 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. • Gene93k (talk) 17:31, 29 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep all from 1., 2. & 3. Liga - an article being in a sorry state is no reason to delete - these need improving, not deleting. League seasons of professional clubs are long-considered notable. GiantSnowman 17:55, 29 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comment — I tend to agree with you on this issue. But the issue is not just the state of the articles. The main issue here is how much hope is there to improve these articles? I really don't think there is any for these paticular articles. Kingjeff (talk) 18:21, 29 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Kingjeff, please do not re-factor other editor's comments. GiantSnowman 18:50, 29 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comment In case of 2012–13 Rot-Weiß Oberhausen season the notability could be questioned, too. The fourth level in Germany, the Regionalliga, is not considered fully professional. Only the first three are. Calistemon (talk) 21:42, 29 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Regionalliga is not fully professional. Kingjeff (talk) 23:11, 29 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

But the 1., 2. & 3. Liga are. I have clarified my !vote. GiantSnowman 11:58, 30 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

But who is going to improve them? Kingjeff (talk) 17:56, 30 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The hundereds/thousands of editors who edit Wikipedia every single day. GiantSnowman 18:24, 30 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

And why hasn't it been done? 2012–13 SC Paderborn 07 season hasn't been edited between 5 September 2012 and when I put the AfD template in the article. Same with 2012–13 SV Darmstadt 98 season. All the other articles listed haven't been edited between last year and when I put the AfD template in those articles. I have doubts that these will ever get done. Kingjeff (talk) 18:37, 30 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Plenty of articles don't get edited/updated/improved for long periods of time, that is no reason at all to delete. GiantSnowman 18:41, 30 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

But we're talking about articles that require a tideous work to be done, unlike most articles on Wikipedia. I'm willing to withdraw an article if someone volunteers to take on an article and actually do it. Kingjeff (talk) 18:48, 30 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You can't withdraw while there are active 'delete' !votes about. GiantSnowman 18:56, 30 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, but I think the voters of the active deletes would change if editors volunteered to look after the articles in question and actually improve the articles. Kingjeff (talk) 19:04, 30 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• Remove notice for SC Paderborn and FSV Frankfurt - I will try to finish the other 2 teams from 2. Bundesliga during the weekend. MbahGondrong (talk) 20:05, 3 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect to the club pages per WP:NSEASONS. Mentoz86 (talk) 01:44, 7 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• 'Redirect as per Mentoz. Agree in theory with GS, just because an article is incomplete does not mean it should be deleted, hence why we have thousands of stubs. However, in practice agree with Mentoz as per NSEASONS, as none of the articles has any significant sourced prose and are basically a list of results which seems to go against NOTDIR. Would have no issue with them being recreated (for those in the "top leagues" as per NSEASONS, though that is vague) if sufficient sourced prose could be found. Fenix down (talk) 11:38, 7 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, J04n(talk page) 02:32, 9 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mkdw^talk 19:18, 19 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete 2012–13 Rot-Weiß Oberhausen season, not about a professional football season. Redirect the others to their parent clubs per Mentoz86. C679 05:37, 25 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.