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JParksT2023 (talk) 21:14, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, TheLionHasSeen! I know that we have both been involved in the editing of pages related to Pentecostalism, specifically Oneness Pentecostalism, and so I wanted to get your thoughts on an idea I have regarding the Affirming Apostolic Pentecostal churches page.

My concerns are multifold. First, it seems to me (though I may be wrong) that there is really no analogous page on Wikipedia for a set of churches/organizations within a specific denomination to have their own page in this way on the topic of sexuality, rather than a page detailing all of the views (whether in opposition to, affirming of, or neutral on the topic of sexuality) within the denomination on this topic. For example, within Template:Christianity and LGBTQ topics, there is a section on Denominational positions that has pages like Presbyterianism and homosexuality, Homosexuality and Lutheranism, Homosexuality and Baptist churches, etc., but I have not seen any page about, for example, Affirming Baptist Churches. Secondly, the page strangely includes Trinitarian Pentecostals, which are definitionally not Oneness Pentecostals. Finally, the name for the page seems both arbitrary and inaccurate. The Oneness Pentecostal page was renamed in favor of Oneness Pentecostalism over Apostolic Pentecostalism several years ago to align with the scholarly naming and to maintain WP:NPOV; why should this not apply to this page as well, as it is aligned with the same movement but differing in only one point of theology? I don't see any consistent naming convention from the sources either, so the page naming seems arbitrary.

It seems to me that the most logical thing to do would be to create a page such as Pentecostalism and Homosexuality and merge the contents into the new page to better represent all the positions taken by Pentecostal organizations (both Oneness and Trinitarian), not limited to just those affirming. What do you think of this? For a movement as large as Pentecostalism, it probably is overdue for a page such as this to exist, and it would solve the issues I've raised with the Affirming Apostolic Pentecostal churches page. Let me know your thoughts! JParksT2023 (talk) 18:50, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have mirrored this message at Talk:Affirming Apostolic Pentecostal churches#Thoughts on the page in its current state, please reply from there. Thank you for your response and your help! JParksT2023 (talk) 21:52, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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You seem to be a more experienced editor than I am, so maybe I am wrong, but I have a small recommendation to make, regarding your recent edits on Alabama. I do feel that more descriptive edit summaries could be used, elaborating your reason for your deletion of some tables in an article not seemingly too long to navigate. We should remember that Wikipedia editing is cooperative, and other editors should not spend too much time figuring out your rationale. As you may be able to notice, I always provide a reasoning for my edits, and I always feel that I am saving every editor watching the page some time. Additionally, I think doing so would be also teaching the newcomer reviewing our edits some general procedure and guidelines of condensing and improving an article. Hym3242 (talk) 19:57, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Just saw you helped out here.[1] I have reversed hundreds of this kind of edit by Nathan B2 who keeps shoving his bizarre ecclesiology across Wikipedia. What can be done? desmay (talk) 23:00, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! I think we should report this to the administrator's noticeboard. He is placing his own personal opinion against these artticles, @Desmay. - TheLionHasSeen (talk) 17:43, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nathan B2, let this be a warning to you. If you continue with your habit of making these controversial changes across the board, you will be blocked at the administrator's noticeboard. desmay (talk) 01:55, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]