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I remember you from your participation in the Chams' discussion when I had appreciate your reasonable, mild and thus helpful participation. I would like to wish you Happy and Productive New Year full of health and joy. Feel free to contact me for anything I can help. --Factuarius (talk) 02:13, 4 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

First, this is not a forum... the fact that you even want to began debating me shows me that you doubt the very words you parrot. If you want a debate, then join a forum

Second, Macedonian in the 17th-19th century was not used to describe Greeks, publications show that this is the case. Macedonians were synonymous with the participants of VMRO, who expressed a Macedonian consciousness.

1. http://www.maknews.com/forum/archive/time-magazine-macedonian-echo-monday-jan-05-1925-t8405.html
2. http://www.maknews.com/forum/archive/ny-times-articles-t9171.html
3. http://www.gate.net/~mango/Rossos_British_FO.htm
4. http://www.maknews.com/forum/archive/boris-sarafov-the-macedonian-agitation-the-times-1901-t10508.html

Was it not your king who stating Macedonia is being occupied, not liberated?

1. http://www.maknews.com/forum/macedonian-history/greek-king-signs-occupation-decree-t17161.html

What about the "Greek Anti-Macedonian" agenda book?

1. http://www.macedoniantruth.org/2008/06/07/the-greek-anti-macedonian-struggle-1903-1905/

What about the book talking about the "Slav like Macedonian language"?

1. http://makedonika.wordpress.com/2008/06/30/the-book-that-should-not-exist-macedonian-greek-lexicon-from-1907-continued/

What about Greek being non-existent in 1600s and Slavic speakers being hires of Alexander? Are these the same Slavophones that Greece kicked out in the 1900s?

1. http://www.maknews.com/forum/archive/sclavonic-is-spoken-in-macedon-greek-is-a-dead-tongue-1630-t12551.html
2. http://www.maknews.com/forum/archive/macedonians-speak-sclavonic-tongue-heirs-to-alexander-1630-t12550.html

What about Pavlos Melas talking about a Makedonika language that needs a translator in order to communicate?

1. http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum/showthread.php?t=854&highlight=pavlos+melas

What about Greeks betraying and killing Macedonians (as u say, their own ppl)?

1. http://www.maknews.com/forum/macedonian-history/macedonians-burned-to-death-by-greeks-new-york-times-1908-t10406.html
2. http://www.macedonianamerican.org/portal/content/view/35/1/
3. http://img143.imageshack.us/i/greeksbetraymacedonianszi2.jpg/

Mactruth (talk) 05:46, 5 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, none of the sources are original sources, within the websites there are citations for all sources, which you can look up yourself (ie: books, newspapers, etc)

Also, you forgot that Kancov (paid by the Bulgarian church and with a biased viewpoint on Macedonia) stated in “Orohidrography of Macedonia”, printed in Plovdiv in 1911, that “Bulgarians and Kucovlachs of Macedonians call themselves Macedonians”. Know you have to remember he had a biased view that Slavic Speakers of Macedonia were Bulgarian, but his statement shows only Slavic-Speakers (which he called Bulgarian) and Vlachs called themselves Macedonians... here is the whole statement:

”It is impossible to give precise borders of the area of Macedonia, since this country is not limited with some strict geographic features, nor is it administratively separated by the other countries. Only in the ethnographic sense Macedonia has defined borders, since the Bulgarian tribe is settled in the entire country, and rarely exits its limits. The areas to the north, west and south of Macedonia have predominantly other population. To determine its borders we will follow mainly the main perception of the population and the determination given by the most skilled recent travelers. The local Bulgarians and Kucovlachs who live in the area of Macedonia call themselves Macedonians, and the surrounding nations call them Macedonians. Turks and Albanians from Macedonia do not call themselves Macedonians, but when asked where they are from, they respond: from Macedonia”. – from the book “Orohidrography of Macedonia – Vasil Kanchov, Plovdiv, 1911

Here we have it, only Vlachs and Slavic-speakers (which he referred to as Bulgarians) called themselves Macedonians, Albanians and Turks did not. Why didn't he say the Greeks called themselves Macedonians? This supports the Greek Pavlos Melas needing a translator for the "Makedonika" language which Slavic speakers of Macedonia spoke and the book written by Greeks about the "Slav like Macedonian language" Mactruth (talk) 16:47, 20 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The only reason you say they are false is because they do not suit your agenda, so you simply deny them. Like I stated, look up the sources in real time, all sources in maknews have citations... and if its wrong to use maknews in this way then you and me should begin removing all sources from maknews, promacedonia, and macedoniaontheweb, deal? Mactruth (talk) 16:50, 20 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I would like to personally encourage you to to stick with the discussion! It can be very interesting at times, especially to spectate, but everyone should be free to offer their opinions. It really helps when others join in. I hope you come back. Outback the koala (talk) 04:26, 27 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Seeing as you have commented on the section, I was wondering if you had an opinion on whether the proposed title is an acceptable compromise.--The Devil's Advocate (talk) 17:49, 27 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

That sock was a harassment-only account, and I don't care whose. You know perfectly well why it was blocked, and if you honestly don't know, it's none of your business. Now give it a rest. Fut.Perf. ☼ 09:58, 7 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Everything in Wikipedia is the whole world's business. It's open access, on the record. Otherwise if you say it was a sock, so be it, I am completely against such sock abuses of wikipedia. But you do understand that it is best for the POV comment to be removed. Politis (talk) 10:08, 7 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ah OK, the penny just dropped about the peach sock. I think I see now where he is coming from and, just for your archives, had no notion of re-activating that sock by asking him a justifiable clarification in his discussion box. I see he is blocked infefinetly and should remain so. I write this because in my personal experience you archive edits, catalogue them and then misuse them against fellow editors, but I still like you. However, try to avoid confrontation and be more explicit next time, you might find people are on your side :-) Politis (talk) 13:04, 7 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I've removed your additions to the list of notable shipping families, as there is no evidence that they are notable. To establish notability, either create an article on the family first (with proper sources) or cite acceptable third part sources that indicate that the family is indeed notable. Netalarm^talk 13:15, 11 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Politis, I've left a reply to your message on my talk page -- Marek.69 ^talk 23:02, 1 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I've fixed the ref: it needed to up above the ref tag. Thanks for your work on this, I hadn't heard of him before. Empty Buffer (talk) 15:23, 14 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

mk:Јанко Константинов - here is the Macedonian version of the article. Greetings Tomica1111 (talk) 12:20, 15 July 2010 (UTC)1111tomica[reply]

Hi, I noticed your edits to that article and have some objections.

I don't think you can use Bulgarian ethnographer Vasil Kanchov's book in Bulgarian to claim that the name was in what you guys call the local Slavic dialect. The name that is sourced is Bulgarian.

As you can see, the Bulgarian Wikipedia uses the name Вощарани, not Мелити, so the name is still in use (i.e., "the name of the village used to be..." is incorrect because it implies that this is not the case anymore). It makes no sense to say that the village was known as such and such until 1926, when the official Greek name was changed from Βοστεράνη to Μελίτη. It's not like the name was changed in Bulgarian or the local Slavic dialect.

Any thoughts? Best, Todor→Bozhinov 10:57, 21 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

No confusion, man. Look at reference #3. Now look at where it's used. Now back to reference #3. Got it?

At the moment, we have a reference for the Bulgarian name of the village and yet we have some kind of local Slavic dialect claimed to be such and such in the article. We have no reference for the local Slavic dialect name and the name in Bulgarian is not mentioned despite its relevance per WP:NCGN Todor→Bozhinov 18:54, 21 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I am sure it's a real source, whatever you mean by this. The maps have been redrawn by someone so as to be published digitally, but it's the text of the actual book. If that's a problem, I can just remove the link and leave the title only.

I don't think the official standardization of a language has anything to do with the etymology of placenames in that language. Quite clearly, place names can be Bulgarian or Serbian or Ukrainian, these languages separated dozens of centuries ago and have been evolving separately. It's not really something that I feel I should be explaining though :)

Just a quick example: look at the names for Edirne. Odrin in Bulgarian, Jedrene in Serbian, Edirne in Ukrainian. Best, Todor→Bozhinov 21:37, 21 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, I'm aware of that, there were a few population exchanges between Bulgaria and Greece, most notably the Mollov-Kafandaris Agreement of 1927. I know many people who are partially descended from Bulgarian refugees from Greece. Todor→Bozhinov 09:53, 22 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You didn't properly file the AFD for Aleksandar Donski. I have fixed this for you; see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Aleksandar Donski. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • ^{(Many otters • One bat • One hammer)} 01:31, 25 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding your revert at Koufalia, the Bulgaria certainly fits. As the source I inserted shows, it once had a Bulgarian population, therefore according to WP:NCGN the name can be placed in the lead as: "Relevant foreign language names (one used by at least 10% of sources in the English language or is used by a group of people which used to inhabit this geographical place) are permitted". Also, most Bulgarian cities with a former Greek presence do have their Greek name in the lead or in a name section, which is an alternative: "Alternatively, all alternative names can be moved to and explained in a "Names" or "Etymology" section immediately following the lead, or a special paragraph of the lead; we recommend that this be done if there are at least three alternate names, or there is something notable about the names themselves". That is the case with Plovdiv, while Topolovgrad has the Greek name in the second paragraph. Of course, name sections are not really appropriate in such a small article as Koufalia, so it's completely justified to have an alternate name in the lead. Kostja (talk) 05:34, 30 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the note, I plan to do a large-scale rewrite anyhoo. Ironholds (talk) 21:58, 10 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

OK will also look into itPolitis (talk) 23:23, 10 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Politis! I have tabled a proposal on a restructuring of coverage of modern Greek history in Wikipedia. Any input would be greatly appreiated. Best regards, Constantine ✍ 17:33, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your comments here: Talk:Occupation of Albania (1912–1913)#Move proposal. I have tried to start a general discussion on the use of the word occupation here: Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Geopolitical ethnic and religious conflicts#Proposed renaming of Occupation of Albania (1912–1913)‎ to Albania during the Balkan Wars. You may want to comment.

Anyway, I may have recently removed a reference to Occupation of Greece (1453-1821) from here. -- Petri Krohn (talk) 08:41, 13 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Politis! Please have a look at this. We are currently in the process of compiling a worklist, but if you are willing to help, please let us know. I know it is onerous and tedious work, but any help, even for a couple of articles, would be appreciated. Regards, Constantine ✍ 22:35, 3 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Politi. I wonder why you are so suspicous about my sources. Don't you trust a Greek government agency when it puts facsimiles of books on its own website? Regarding the coin, there are a lot of pictures of it on numismatic web sites. I think these are legitimate sources. But maybe you try being sarcastic? I generally don't bother too much with anonymous editors talking nonsense, but this myth that Greeks were naming Macedonia "Northern Greece" until 1988 is so widespread among nationalists from RoM and the Slav-Macedonian diaspora that I found it important to have something unequivocal to disprove it. With friendly greetings.

PS: I saw the smily in your post and I understand.  Andreas  ^(T) 22:19, 22 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hey there! I don't use Google translate because it is proprietary, but my advice would be to translate from a related language. The closer the languages are, the better translations you are likely to get. If you are translating from a highly morphological language (e.g. Hungarian/Finnish) into a less morphological one, then you can try looking at the output of several MT systems, e.g. for Hungarian 'Webforditas' is good, for Russian 'ProMT' is good, etc. Sometimes having the output of several systems (especially if they are based on different paradigms) is helpful. If you give more specifics, e.g. which languages/pages you are working with, I might be able to help more. - Francis Tyers · 18:47, 15 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Also, bear in mind, that Google translate often goes via English, so if you are trying to translate from e.g. Norwegian to Greek, what you will be in fact getting is Norwegian -> English -> Greek.

Yes, Macedonian -> {Greek,French} will go via English. Even if you have a parallel Greek--Macedonian corpus (e.g. the SETimes corpus -- plug my own 'research' here) you will find that both sides have been translated from English, meaning the translations might not be as literal as you would like. And you end up with kind of a paraphrase.

Btw, I worked on Macedonian->English for a bit, but I really can't say the results are better than Google. I think Macedonian<->Greek would make an interesting project though, also Greek/Macedonian<->Albanian. Unfortunately most of the research seems to be focussed on *<->English. - Francis Tyers · 00:12, 16 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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I'm curious as to why you tagged this G1 ('nonsense')... Peridon (talk) 11:56, 22 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Politis, I am just informing you know that I have found your recent accusation of me being both a "troll" and "sock puppet" highly offensive.[1] I urge you in the future not to make such slanderous and baseless accusations. Lunch for Two (talk) 09:48, 27 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I have to note that Politis's wording does not sound like an accusation. He simply stated that the way you seem to know the place leads him to thinking you might be a sock-puppet. As for the trolling, by the way things stood, your comments appeared trollish. You were attributing some actions to me, although they were not mine and bothering me with an issue that did not concern me, although I had already explained that this was the case. Therefore, it comes as more of a conclusion and not an accusation from Politis's side. --Laveol ^T 10:03, 27 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

"Definition of trolling... The idea of defining trolling is in many ways comical at best" [2] That is why I wrote 'as I understand the term'. But why am I saying all this? Luch for Two, for a new user you, literally, know Wikipedia so much better than me. The above comment you signed also displays an ability to take offence where, in fact there is only an effort to engage in dialogue. Next you time you address yourself to me, please read carefully what other people say and perhaps keep an appropriate tone? Politis (talk) 10:12, 28 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Offence has little to do with what third parties believe it to be. Don't worry, I'm "almost certain" that I am likely to be offended again though lol ;-). Lunch for Two (talk) 15:10, 28 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Would you care to explain this revert? [3] I don't understand why you have removed "also known as", given that is what he is actually widely reffered as. You only need to look to WP:COMMONNAME where it is acceptable for the most widely known names to also be used. As a compromise I have added both his native Macedonian name and his Greek name. Please explain to me why my version was unacceptable? Lunch for Two (talk) 03:50, 12 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hey Politis! I'm just dropping you a message because you've commented on (or expressed an interest in) the Article Feedback Tool in the past. If you don't have any interest in it any more, ignore the rest of this message :).

If you do still have an interest or an opinion, good or bad, we're holding an office hours session tomorrow at 19:00 GMT/UTC in #wikimedia-office to discuss completely changing the system. In attendance will be myself, Howie Fung and Fabrice Florin. All perspectives, opinions and comments are welcome :).

I appreciate that not everyone can make it to that session - it's in work hours for most of North and South America, for example - so if you're interested in having another session at a more America-friendly time of day, leave me a message on my talkpage. I hope to see you there :). Regards, Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 14:33, 26 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry you missed it; the logs can be found here. Thanks for your suggestions on the AFT talkpage; we're actually moving to develop an entirely new version at the moment - you can read about that at WP:ATV5. I would be really grateful if you could give it a read and post any opinions or ideas you might have on the talkpage, which is where we're trying to centre most new talks about moving forward :). All the best, Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 20:14, 28 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Politis,
Check this discussion please and tell us your opinion after reading the points Talk:Ohi_Day#Requested_move_2011
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user:Jayjg, but this happened out of the blue, as a wp:ninja initiative with the claim that this is wp:commonname, however, things are not clear about googlehits as he claims.Alexikoua (talk) 22:18, 1 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Dear Politis,

I would like to ask you for a clarification regarding the naming of Greek and Turkish towns and cities. I understand that an understanding with blanket effect was reached, however, I do not see it implemented. I strive never to make changes myself to avoid edit wars (I am not bold, although everyone says try to be), but I see the turkish name is placed at the beginning of the article frequently, while the Greek name for Instanbul(for example) is missing altogether. This case is not the only one. Is this not double standards? Thank you for your time, I am just trying to find out what the policy is. Alfadog 777 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.70.48.207 (talk) 23:59, 3 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Politis, the future Republic was only proclaimed underground on August 2, 1944 under the name Democratic Macedonia in the St. Prohor Pčinjski Monastery in the Bulgarian occupation zone of Yugoslavia. The number of the Yugoslav Partisans in Vardar Macedonia at that time was 6,000-8,000 people, most of whom were stationed in the Albanian occuption zone of Yugoslavia. However, Bulgaria ordered its troops to prepare for withdrawal from occupied Yugoslavia only on 6 September, when Bulgarians changed sides and joined the Soviet Union. Bulgarian 5th. Army stationed in Macedonia was surrounded by German divisions, but it fought its way back to the old borders of Bulgaria in the next days. At the same time, on 8 September, right-wing IMRO nationalists declared Independent Macedonia. The German command in Vardar Macedonia did not support the "independent" state as their forces withdrew from the region, it tried only to use the new-formed "Macedonian committees" as local police services. In the early October 1944, three Bulgarian armies under the leadership of the new Bulgarian pro-Soviet government, together with the Red Army reentered occupied Yugoslavia. By mid-November all German formations had withdrawn to the west and north and no sooner then November, 20 the Communist Partisans had established de facto control of the whole region. The ASNOM became really operational in December, shortly after the German retreat. In 1945, the state changed its official name to the People's Republic of Macedonia. In 1963, the name of the state was changed to the Socialist Republic of Macedonia. Regards. Jingiby (talk) 08:16, 25 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hello. Πρόσεξα ότι γνωρίζεις πολύ καλά ελληνικά. Θα ήθελα τη βοήθεια σου. Έχω μεταφράσει δύο λήμματα από την ελληνική Βικιπαίδεια στην αγγλική. Δυστυχώς, υπάρχουν κάποια λάθη, κυρίως συνταχτικά. Δεν έχω μεγάλη ευφράδεια στην αγγλική. Θα ήθελα να τα διαβάσεις και να κάνεις τις απαραίτητες διορθώσεις, αν μπορείς. Αν δεν ενδιαφέρεσαι, απολογούμαι για την ενόχληση. Xaris333 (talk) 13:14, 3 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Politis, I'm contacting you because we need some Macedonian translators to help with the deployment of the new VisualEditor on mk.wikipedia. There are help pages, user guides, and description pages that need translating, as well as the interface itself. The translating work is going on over on MediaWiki: Translation Central. I also need help with a personal message for the Macedonian Wikipedians. If you are able to help in any way, either reply here, or head over to TranslationCentral. Thanks for your time, PEarley (WMF) (talk) 18:10, 13 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hello. Please don't remove copyright violation templates from articles as you did at Nikolaos Martis. The articles are clearly marked: "Do not restore or edit the blanked content on this page until the issue is resolved by an administrator, copyright clerk or OTRS agent." I appreciate that you left your thoughts at the talk page, but disagreeing with the tag does not make it okay to remove it - I have explained at the talk page why the article is correctly blanked, and your removing the tag may have had only the effect of preventing the article from being salvaged, as you have prevented the people who might have seen the notice and rewritten the article from the opportunity of knowing that it is facing deletion. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 12:50, 20 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. I am not the editor who first blanked the article; I am the administrator who came to address it after it had been blanked and listed for evaluation at the copyright problems board. Yes, any editor may blank an article for copyright investigation; community has at mininum one week to offer feedback on why the content is or is not a problem under our copyright policies and Terms of Use on the talk page, but the article remains blanked during that time so that we do not publish potential copyright infringements knowingly. We similarly remove potential libel in accordance with the biographies of living persons policy while it is evaluated. These are legal issues and thus are given special handling. They are not discussed first, but after and before restoration.

Your note on the talk page was the right thing to do. If our licensing permitted us to accept material released for non-commercial use, then that information would certainly have led to a determination that the copyright issue was not valid and the restoration of the content. It would have been unnecessarily blanked for only a short time. Unfortunately, as I explained there, we cannot accept material under that release; it is against our copyright policies and our Terms of Use.

There are very rare circumstances where the removal of the tag may be justified under ignore all rules - if a tagger realizes they have placed the tag in error, then certainly removal is the proper thing to do. If the tag is placed as an act of vandalism or (as sometimes happens) on content that can be easily verified to have copied from Wikipedia, then removal of the tag is also the right thing to do. However, IAR should not be applied lightly to removal of the tag, because sometimes - as in this case - it is removed in error by someone who is simply not familiar with our copyright policies. This creates potential legal liability for the person who removes the tag and for anyone who reuses the content during that time. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 13:48, 22 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

That's perfect. Thanks for your swift response. Politis (talk) 13:52, 22 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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This is an invitation to all Macedonian users to create an art. on Igor Janev (at English Wikipedia), please see Talk Page http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jimbo_Wales&diff=next&oldid=603995897

Furher see sources [4]

[5]

http://mk.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%98%D0%B3%D0%BE%D1%80_%D0%88%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B5%D0%B2

http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%AF%D0%BD%D0%B5%D0%B2,_%D0%98%D0%B3%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%8C

He is professor in Macedonia , member of NYAS, he publ. 160 scholarly art., 17 books in Int. Law, Foreign policy and Diplomacy. He discovered the ULTRA VIRES act of UN in the process of admission of Macedonia in UN (published in AJIL, Vol.93. no 1.)--16:51, 11. april 2014 (CEST)

http://www.mia.mk/en/Inside/RenderSingleNews/289/105947751 or at MINA : http://macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/21668/45/ or http://www.makemigration.com/iselenistvoweb/index.php?page=iselenici&id=247&tip_iselenici=7

http://s241910817.onlinehome.us/html/articles/janev/janev.html

or http://www.mkd.mk/makedonija/politika/nekoj-go-brishe-igor-janev-od-vikipedija

or his contribution to US recognition of Macedonia under Republic of Macedonia

http://dobarglas.info/naslovna_v6.htm http://www.makedonskosonce.com/broevis/2008/sonce748.pdf/12_15_janev.pdf

Furthermore Macedonian media shocked on attempt to delete Janev from Wikipedia

http://www.time.mk/c/61e6ad16de/janev-postoi-praven-lek-za-imeto.html

http://www.makdenes.org/content/article/1956873.html

http://www.mkd.mk/54357/makedonija/se-ceka-na-potpisot-na-ivanov-rezolucija-janev-on

[6] LEGAL ASPECTS OF THE USE OF A PROVISIONAL NAME FOR MACEDONIA IN THE UNITED NATIONS SYSTEM [7] citation:[8]

See : https://www.google.com/search?q=Igor+Janev&btnG=Search+Books&tbm=bks&tbo=1 http://macedonianhr.org.au/wip/images/stories/pdf/1252648063581.pdf see cit.http://www.etd.ceu.hu/2009/bajalski_borko.pdf

http://sam.gov.tr/on-the-uns-legal-responsibility-for-the-irregular-admission-of-macedonia-to-un/

http://www.sar.org.ro/polsci/?p=264

http://www.makedonskosonce.com/broevis/2008/sonce713.pdf/16_17_janev.pdf

http://www.crpm.org.mk/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Policy-Brief-NatoMak.pdf

http://denesen.mk/web/2013/08/31/janev-postoi-praven-lek-za-imeto/

ULTRA VIRES act of UN organs is relevant, see http://www.mkd.mk/makedonija/politika/nekoj-go-brishe-igor-janev-od-vikipedija http://osaka.law.miami.edu/~froomkin/articles/ccTLDs-TM.pdf , When we say US, p. 845, note 28. G. Ivanov, "Recalling that the International Court of Justice 1948 advisory opinion had determined that placing additional criteria on United Nations membership contravened the United Nations Charter", http://gadebate.un.org/67/former-yugoslav-republic-macedonia Thomas D. Grant, Admission to the United Nations, Martinus pub. , pp. 203-212 http://books.google.rs/books?id=5Uuv0NLNdZQC&pg=PA322&lpg=PA322&dq=Igor+Janev+Admission+to+the&source=bl&ots=6DgOwcDxtS&sig=4DlZpp7DCtAOeeMqhjvN0QviEl0&hl=sr&sa=X&ei=GERKU9ivOsXOtQaD9oGIDA&ved=0CFkQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=Igor%20Janev%20Admission%20to%20the&f=false

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Hi!

I noticed on the Names of the Greeks article, back in 2006, you were the person who contributed to the following:

"Hieronymus Wolf was a 16th-century German historian. After coming into contact with the works of Laonicus Chalcondyles, he also went ahead with identifying Byzantine historiography for the purpose of distinguishing medieval Greek from ancient Roman history". You introduced that it was Laonicus Chalcondyles that started it, and I want to understand where did you that that? For the record I believe it's correct, I recently learned about it from a 2022 publication by the historian Anthony Kaldellis and I think it has a big significance. Elias (talk) 05:29, 30 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your question. I dont have all my notes to hand but Hieronymus Wolf was an editor and translator, and librarian to the Fugger family of Augsburg. He produced the book of Gregoras Nicephoros and Laonicos Chalcocondylas, "Nicephori Gregoræ, Romanæ, hoc est Byzantinæ historiæ Libri XI: quibus res à Imperatori[us] per annos CXLV... His adiunximus Laonice Chalcondyles rucicam historia[m],"   Basel 1562. I assume that as such Wolf must have been influenced for that name from Chalcondyles’ own extensive use of the term, and whose variations of Βυζάντιο o as a place and an adjective., and of ”Ελληνες" as the people and as an adjective. Βυζαντιο in Chalcocondyle defines in clear terms the home of the emperors. But please check with Ch's book. Politis (talk) 18:54, 26 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the response @Politis. Elias (talk) 04:22, 10 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]