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You are right, I did misunderstand. I have removed the duplicate link. Thanks very much for letting me know. Best wishes, Tom Harrison ^Talk 20:01, 31 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Dear O Govinda, I have seen that you have a made a number of edits recently to the Bhakti page. Would you be interested in helping in a major re-write on the article alongside a number of other editors? I have a copy of the page in my sandbox which anyone can make edits or suggestions on. See User:GourangaUK/sandbox. Best wishes, ys, GourangaUK 09:09, 26 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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--D-Boy 02:16, 11 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

O Govinda, I have seen that you made some major changes to the prabhupada article. I suggest that you adhere to your own cordial suggestion and discuss changes in the Talk page. PietjePrecies 20:58, 26 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, PietjePrecies. I'm happy to discuss that page with you.

When you explained your reasoning on the Talk page, you had good points. The academic respect was undocumented. The "impact on Indians" was presented without backing. And the status of the BBT as "largest publisher" was claimed but not supported.

My changes aimed to remedy the defects you pointed out.

My suggestion, by the way, was not that all major changes need discussion. My point, rather, was that after one's major changes have twice been reverted, discussion would be more fruitful than an edit war.

Your criticisms have resulted in an article that is now better documented and more rigorous about verifiability. So I think the discussion has been fruitful. Thank you for your interest and participation.

Respectfully, O Govinda 05:39, 27 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The deletion of the "generally Accepted 13%", I mean. We're discussing loads of aspects of this article on the talk page. As I a sure you know, comments and consensus building where appropriate are welcome from all interested editors. Please feel wholly welcome. Fiddle Faddle 07:52, 2 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you very much, Fiddle Faddle. Grateful for the hospitality. --Cordially, O Govinda 13:27, 2 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hi G, thanks for the note. I'm not going to get it right every time, I suppose.

Your guess about "proposition" is right on. I think "is the controversial proposition" reads much better than "controversially proposes" (one of the rare cases where a more passive voice actually works better).

I'm open minded about the extended cover-up point. At the time I felt it needed to be there to motivate the some say/others say clunkiness. (A bit problem in many of the articles.) I'll have a look at it again.

I don't mind the text going back and forth a bit on points of style. Maybe we should resolve to make and revert such edits one sentence at a time. Also pleased to meet someone who cares about such things full time. Best,--Thomas Basboll 13:50, 27 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for contributing to Wikipedia, O Govinda! However, your edit here was reverted by an automated bot that attempts to remove spam from Wikipedia. You've received this warning 1 times. If you were trying to insert a good link, please accept my creator's apologies, and try to reinsert the link again. If your link was genuine spam, please note that inserting spam into Wikipedia is against policy. For more information about me, see my FAQ page. Thanks! Shadowbot 03:53, 20 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, Bot! Wasn't my link. I just saw it added at the top of the list of links and moved it to the bottom. Anyway, glad you killed it. Keep up the good work, Bot! O Govinda 07:59, 21 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Well done to your edits to Persecution of Hindus. If you have any knowledge on such matters, I also ask that you participate in the long-brewing arguments regarding allegations of necrophilia and bestiality among Hindus made by User:Dbachmann and User:Paul Barlow on Ashwamedha. Rumpelstiltskin223 12:45, 24 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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• Hello O Goinda. I wanted to let you know that there is now a Vaishnava project located at Wikipedia:WikiProject Hinduism/Vaishnavism, a project for edifying Vaishnava related articles. Also, there is now a talk page for Vaishnava related discussions located at, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Hinduism/Vaishnavism. Thanks. Ism schism (talk) 02:04, 13 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

in http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bhaktivedanta_Narayana&diff=207813732&oldid=206190288 you describe BVML as a pirate site please prove your accusation.Syama (talk) 17:44, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Easy. Go to www.bvml.org/books/index.html and see the list of books. Then go to the records of the US Copyright Office-- http://www.copyright.gov/records/ --and search for "Bhaktivedanta Book Trust." You'll find that the list of works for which the Bhaktivedanta Book Trust is the registered copyright owner includes most of the books published at www.bvml.org/books/index.html.

Best wishes.

O Govinda (talk) 09:33, 25 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Invitation to create a Krishna centered Hinduism project

Proposed project - Krishna worshipers WikiProject Invitation - lets create unity in diversity! Proposal for discussion - May 2008 Please, say what you think about it: Just a few words... what may interest you and attract other editors across a wider spectrum of Krishna-centered or connected traditions in Hinduism? Go on over to our new project discussion page Talk:Krishna/Krishna worshipers. We need to talk it over! Look over the complete list of proposed traditions forming the scope of the project - this list is by far not complete, please add your favorites and discuss! From ancient to modern You can join and make a difference! This is an informal invitation to join a joint cross boundary venture. You and your friends are invited to discuss and comment on the proposal of new Krishna centered project. There are many traditions where Krishna is worshiped and His names revered. Lets join the forces and create more of the beautiful and well resourced articles on all related subjects and traditions. The traditions are not limited to one or two, there are many and all should be given equal attention by us. Drop me a few words or lets discuss it at the discussion page. Wikidās ॐ 22:51, 6 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Since its just at the begging stage, please voice your opinion or put yourself on the list of editors here. Thanks, Wikidās ॐ 18:31, 10 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

OGovinda, you were one of the editors who contributed to the above article. Since the article has stabilised and I have added proper references as well as provided a NPOVs references, I suggest final edits by the editors who were contributing to the article. Following the general proofing and copyedit, I would suggest nominating it towards GA (Good Article). Wikidās-ॐ 14:22, 31 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Your attention is drawn to the talk page of the above article, dealing with issues following your edits. Please note that you have referred to your edits as "nixing", which seems to imply an assumption of a power of final decision. This is not the case. Redheylin (talk) 17:52, 25 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"Nix" was just intended as a way to say "delete" in half the space. But you're probably right about its implications. Thanks for bringing that to my attention. O Govinda (talk) 18:33, 25 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"Del" serves many people fine and is generally understood. ;-) --Jayen466 20:06, 25 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Seems good. But what's the past tense of that? :-) Thanks again. 21:11, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

"Del" as well. :-) Seriously, "Del OR" etc. is understood. Jayen466 21:39, 25 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, then. "Del" it is! Thanks again. O Govinda (talk) 21:42, 25 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

About the sentence in the Osho lede, here are some references I could add. Scholarly literature (for titles and publication info see Osho#References):

• Fox 2002, p. 42: "... an influential newspaper identified Osho, alongside such figures as Gandhi and the Buddha, as one of the ten men who have most changed the destiniy of India, in Osho's case by "liberating the minds of future generations from the shackles of religiosity and conformism"
• Bhawuk 2003 cites Khushwant Singh, former Editor-in-Chief of the Times of India, describing Osho as "the most original thinker that India has produced: the most erudite, the most clearheaded and the most innovative".
• Urban 2004 says,

  Rajneesh made the journey from India to America and back to India again, finally achieving even more success in his homeland, perhaps in large part because of his status as a figure who had a massive U. S. and European following. [...] Rather remarkably, however, Osho seems to have become only more popular since his death. Indeed, he has published perhaps more books and received more acclaim as a disembodied photograph or video image than he ever did while still incarnate. [...] In sum, the character of Rajneesh has undergone an incredible transmutation, particularly since his death: from a shocking, scandalous Tantric sex guru into an international icon for a high-tech global movement and business enterprise.

  — Urban, University of California Press, 2003, p. 242-243

• Süss 1996, p. 36: "Many Indians today see him as a significant personality"

From a tax judgment:

• From [1]:

  "12. The Commissioner of Income-tax (Appeals) as well as two of the three members of the Appellate Tribunal have rightly observed that the perception of the people towards the preaching of the philosophy of Acharya Rajneesh has undergone sea change during the last few years. While earlier, he was supposed to be controversial personality and most of the people of this country were averse to his thinking and preaching, during last few years his teachings and philosophy have become more acceptable to the society. About 650 books written by Acharya Rajneesh have been widely studied and translated in many European and Asian and Indian languages. He wrote on diverse subjects like Vedanta, Geeta (Geeta Darshan), Sant Kabeer (Kahe Kabeer Diwana), Guru Nanak (Ek Omkar Satnam) which is commentary on the Sikh scripture known as ‘Japuji’, hailed as best commentary by Gyani Zail Singh, former President of India. The complete Osho literature was accepted in the Parliament library and Mr. Shivraj Patil, the then Speaker of Lok Sabha, who received the literature from the trust, termed the literature as ‘original creation’. He observed that essence contained in all the volumes is that one should find peace in one self, only then can peace be attained in the society and in the entire universe. 13. Not only Acharya Rajneesh is being studied by number of universities abroad but several students have also prosecuted higher studies in the philosophy of Acharya Rajneesh in the Jawaharlal University, Patna University, North Gujarat University, Banaras Hindu University for Ph.D. Rani Durgawati University, Jabalpur has established an Osho Chair with the financial support of the Government of Madhya Pradesh for the study of his philosophy.

  — Bombay High Court tax judgment

Some press sources:

• "one of India's most sparkling yogis" (India Abroad)
• "Osho was the first great spiritualist to convincingly argue that the body had to be enjoyed as much as the soul." (The Pioneer)
• "the century’s most celebrated and perhaps most controversial guru" (Times of India)
• "OSHO is a fountain of wisdom that never goes dry. (He is) this century's most original mind – the quintessence of the wisdom of the ages." (quoting V. N. Narayanan, Editor-in-Chief of The Tribune) (The Tribune)
• "Osho, among the foremost (and some would say controversial) philosophers, preachers and mystics to have sprouted from the ancient Indian soil in the 20th Century" (The Hindu)
• 2007 India Today cover celebrating 60 years of Indian independence, showing Osho along with Gandhi, Nehru, Mother Teresa and other significant 20th-century Indians (India Today)

I am sure more in a similar vein could be found, but I don't want to have a string of ten references attached to one sentence in the lede. Can you suggest another way of summarizing his present-day perception in India? One theme that comes up a few times is "original thinker" (Singh and Narayanan). Might that be a way to go? Am open to suggestions. Cheers, --Jayen466 20:06, 25 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, Jayen.

It's clear that many such references are available. Problem: At least for the lede, they're more suitable for a hagiography than for a balanced, objective account.

Abundant references can be cited to support the idea that Osho was a progressive, innovative philosopher, perhaps one of the greatest the modern world has seen.

On the other side, references equally abundant could be gathered for the view that he was a disgraceful reprobate, an opportunist who misused his God-given skills and learning to tell self-centered, self-indulgent Westerners just the sort of decadent message they wanted to hear.

I spend about half of every year in India, a portion of it in Pune, and my anecdotal account is that I've never met anyone who regards Osho as "one of the most significant philosophers and mystics of the 20th century." But I've met dozens and dozens who regard him as a national embarrassment, a purveyor of degradation, a "sex guru," and so on. And I'm not talking about what I hear from a sectarian circle but rather from ordinary middle-class people, the kind I meet in homes and on trains. I'm sure his admirers exist--your references prove it. But "widely regarded as one of the most significant philosophers and mystics of the 20th century" most definitely strikes me as promo, not objective reporting.

One man's "original thinker" is another man's disgrace to Indian philosophy and culture.

Now, what would constitute an objective, balanced conclusion for the lede?

Cordially,

O Govinda (talk) 21:40, 25 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Dunno. But people like Khushwant Singh or the Bombay tax court are as establishment as you can get, and Urban, commenting about his reception in India in more recent days, doesn't even like him. Jayen466 21:52, 25 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I've had a go. I think that should be alright, but let me know what you think. Thanks, Jayen466 23:55, 25 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I think that flies. In general the article strikes me as considerably skewed, underplaying the negatives, but I won't quarrel about it. Thanks. Cordially, O Govinda (talk) 16:24, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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I hope you don't mind me asking, but are you affiliated with ISKON? I can't help but notice that all your edits of the last 2 years are about Richard L. Thompson and Michael Cremo, IRWolfie- (talk) 10:35, 13 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

No, I don't mind. Any special reason you ask? Best wishes, O Govinda (talk) 15:37, 15 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, it may be useful to familiarise yourself with WP:COIU. Good luck, IRWolfie- (talk) 21:11, 15 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. When time allows, I may respond on an article Talk page. Now and the next two months are a busy time for me. Best wishes, O Govinda (talk) 10:06, 25 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Fringe theories/Noticeboard regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. jps (talk) 01:10, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, @ජපස. I noticed the discussion on the 26th. But I appreciate your courtesy.

Would it be fitting, do you think, to put a similar notice on the Stevenson "Talk" page, for the benefit of other editors?

I'm not pushing for it, just asking.

Thank you again.

Cordially, O Govinda (talk) 17:01, 30 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

And, by the way, @ජපස, well done on removing the "Further Reading" section. It was over the top.

Best, O Govinda (talk) 17:29, 30 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It is fine to put the notice of a discussion at relevant locations. There is never a problem doing so. jps (talk) 12:12, 31 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami has just been expanded and updated with new reliable sources, images, and media. As one of its most involved editors, your contribution would be very much appreciated. Many thanks. Regards, Cinosaur (talk) 15:55, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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JoJo Anthrax (talk) 17:58, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Your repeated editing of this article to be more favourable to WP:FRINGE ideas over the course of a nearly a decade, biding your time to re-edit the article once the immediate objection has subsided, is disruptive. If you do this again, I will take you to ANI. Hemiauchenia (talk) 21:39, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Well, Hemiauchenia, that's a rather icy introduction, but nonetheless I am pleased to meet you. I see that you have made many substantial contributions to WP, especially on scientific subjects, and that you're admirably learned and articulate. I also see that you know your way around WP's administrative noticeboards (to which I'm pretty much a stranger).

I understand that you see patterns in the timings of my edits. I wonder whether you would be open to the thought that those patterns might be due to causes quite distinct from the stealth, cunning, craftiness, and bad faith of which I've lately been accused

I like to think that over the past decade I have improved this article, making it more accurate, better balanced, and better sourced, and that I have strived to work with my fellow editors in a collegial and respectful manner.

That said, I am open to correction and improvement. If you think that raising an issue on ANI would be helpful and appropriate--well, at the least it would afford me an opportunity to learn more about WP's methods of dispute resolution. And if we find faults in my behavior that I can work on, so much the better.

I wish you well in your editing on Wikipedia and in what I assume must be the very worthy contributions you make in your professional life.

Cordially, O Govinda (talk) 17:18, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]