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Happy editing! Kj cheetham (talk) 14:39, 15 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Please note that due to WP:RUSUKR, editors who are not extended confirmed are unable to make edits about the Russo-Ukrainian war, broadly construed, but it is still possible to make constructive edit requests on the talk page. Thanks. Mellk (talk) 12:41, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello. Thank you for your comment. I made a series of edits to articles on geographical features. My edits are factually correct, they are compliant with Wikipedia editing rules and best practices, and they serve to improve the quality of English Wikipedia.

I will look into getting this "extended confirmed" status. In the meantime, please refrain from cancelling my edits (which are, once again, factually correct). 195.250.137.186 (talk) 12:48, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No, you may not make any edits related to the war, broadly construed. You can try to justify continuing such edits by referring to them as articles about "geographical features", but it will likely lead to a block. Mellk (talk) 12:51, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

They are not "related to the war", they are simply factually incorrect statements and irrelevant categories added to articles by editors in bad faith. Crimea is a region of Ukraine. It is recognized as a region of Ukraine by the entirety of international community. Articles about geographical features in Crimea should not have "XXX of Russia" categories in them. In fact, you should direct your attention to editors who added those category tags to those articles in the first place, they are the real problem here.

I will, of course, not enter into an edit war with a person who has the power to block me (even though we both know I am right in this situation). Like I said, I will look into getting "extended confirmed" status. Also, sorry for writing the previous comment anonymously, I wasn't logged in on my phone. Maxymczech (talk) 12:57, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Any edits concerning the status of Crimea (and other annexed territories) fall under the restriction. I am not sure how you can tell me that this is not related to the war with a straight face when the status of such territories is precisely at the center of the conflict. Even if the edits are "right", you can still get blocked for such edits since it violates the restriction. There is no exception to this. Mellk (talk) 13:09, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

So, I wonder, did editors who added those categories to those articles get blocked? Did you bother to check?

There is nothing ambiguous about the status of Crimea: objectively, according to the international law, it is a region of Ukraine. It is therefore factually incorrect to have "XXX of Russia" category in Wikipedia articles on any geographical features in Crimea. Once again, I emplore you to direct your eager attention to editors who introduced these factual errors into the articles, not to people trying to correct them.

And once again, I understood your first message, I will not be trying to correct these mistakes again until I obtain "extended verified" editor status. 46.135.29.189 (talk) 13:45, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note that even if you do become extended-confirmed, the permission will likely be removed because your recent edits show obvious WP:GAMING. Please edit normally rather than focusing solely on getting 500 edits. Mellk (talk) 07:10, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wow, you are really going out of your way to ensure that certain Wikipedia pages remain factually incorrect and do not accurately represent the objective reality, don't you 🤣🤣🤣

I once again ask you a question that for some reason you keep ignoring. You have dedicated a fair amount of attention to my account and the edits I make. Are you planning on dedicating the same amount of attention to editors who wrongfully added "Peninsulas or Russia" category to certain geographical features in Crimea? Maxymczech (talk) 13:18, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

P. S. Also also, how am I not "editing normally"? Would you really prefer English Wikipedia to remain full of grammatical errors? Do you really want to keep these factually incorrect "XXX of Russia" categories in the articles so bad that you go out of your way to threaten me, a legitimate editor who has Wikipedia's best interests in mind? Maxymczech (talk) 13:24, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

P. P. S. Can you please edit your first message in this conversation thread? You initially wrote

editors who are not extended confirmed are unable to make edits about the Russo-Ukrainian war

But really it should say something like

editors whom I don't like will be unable to make edits that I don't like, even if those edits are factually correct and serve to improve the quality of Wikipedia, and I will go out of my way to make sure those edits are not made, even if I have to invent some botched up rules about edits being "normal" and "not normal" along the way, because what are you going to do about it?

Don't you think? 🙃 Maxymczech (talk) 13:32, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

P. P. P. S. From WP:GAMING:

Making unconstructive edits to raise your user access level

Example: A new editor makes 10 dummy edits to become autoconfirmed

The edits I make are constructive and not "dummy". Feel free to check all 500 of them once I'm done. Why are you claiming otherwise and threatening me over this? Maxymczech (talk) 13:43, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You only started your series of minor edits after you were told that you cannot edit a certain topic until 500 edits. You can continue, but don't say you were not warned. Mellk (talk) 14:05, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

So let's get this straight. Your job here is to bar Wikipedia against vandals, if I understand it correctly. I am not a vandal. In fact, I am so much not a vandal that I am willing to improve 500 other Wikipedia articles (I hope you don't argue that fixing grammatical errors is improvement?) just so that I can fix an obvious factual error in a couple of articles. Both of which - fixing grammatical errors and fixing factual errors - will serve to improve the quality of Wikipedia. You can also see that I am semi-active in Ukrainian, Czech and Russian Wikipedias. And I made edits to English Wiki before you forced us into this current situation. And none of my edits are "vandalism".

And you are "warning me" not to do it, not to edit Wikipedia to improve it? Why? Honestly, to me it looks like you are doing it out of spite? Seriously, can you please explain and rationalize your behavior and your attitude towards me? Maxymczech (talk) 14:14, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The reason for the restriction is so that you gain enough experience in the English Wikipedia before editing a contentious topic area. It is not intended to force editors to make hundreds of minor edits. It is obvious to anyone else that you only became interested in fixing typos after you were told that you needed 500 edits in order to be able to edit a particular topic area. Mellk (talk) 14:25, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Purpose says that

The goal of a Wikipedia article is to present a neutrally written summary of existing mainstream knowledge in a fair and accurate manner with a straightforward, "just-the-facts style".

Let us look up a fact about Crimea#Politics:

Crimea is Ukrainian territory currently occupied by Russia; Ukraine has not relinquished title over the Crimean territory since the events of 2014, and Crimea is internationally recognized as part of Ukraine.

Since Crimea is recognized as part of Ukraine, it is factually incorrect to have "XXX of Russia" category in any article about any geographical feature in Crimea. I have enough experience in the English Wikipedia to recognize and fix this factual error. I intend to do it as soon as I obtain Wikipedia:XC status that is required to edit "contentious topic areas".

I am going to improve several Wikipedia articles, by fixing factual errors in them, in full accordance with the purpose of Wikipedia, so that the articles represent existing mainstream knowledge in a fair and accurate manner. If you are true to the purpose of Wikipedia, you are welcome to save us both some time and to do so right now by unreverting my edits that you previously reverted. Maxymczech (talk) 14:41, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A registered editor becomes extendedconfirmed automatically one edit after the account has existed for at least 30 days and has made at least 500 edits.

Just informing you that:

• I am a registered editor
• My account is older than 30 days, as I joined English Wikipedia on October 18th, 2022
• I made more than 500 edits

The edits I made do not fall under the definition of WP:GAMING, since that would imply "unconstructive edits to raise your user access level", and the edits I made are very much constructive (you are welcome to check every single one of them). To quote ToBeFree:

I've had a look at the changes as they are made right at the moment and they seem to be fine because they're actually necessary typographical fixes. This is unusual and doesn't yet require intervention.

Since I met all the criteria, I now have automatically acquired the Wikipedia:XC status. According to you, I am now eligible to "to make [constructive] edits about the Russo-Ukrainian war, broadly construed". Which I intend to do. Because you are so unnerved and trigger-happy to threaten me, I promise you I will study WP:RUSUKR pages, policies and guidelines before making any edits, and will proceed with extreme caution. Maxymczech (talk) 16:02, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You repeatedly and falsely claimed your edits had nothing to do with the war and did not violate the restriction, now you play victim. Go to WP:ANI instead if you wish to make a complaint. Mellk (talk) 16:08, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

When I first made the edits, I was not aware there was a restriction. After you informed me about it in the first message, I set out to obtain the status required to commit those edits, and ever since I have been the victim of your adversity, warnings, and outright threats. I am a legitimate Wikipedia editor, who wants to make legitimate edits. I do not wish to "make complaints", I wish to be able to continue making occasional edits to Wikipedia as I have been doing for the past 2 years, without worrying that at any moment a power-hungry patrolman with a personal vendetta against me will ban my account or strip me of my rights (as you threatened to do). Maxymczech (talk) 17:02, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You repeatedly stated after I told you about the restriction that your edits were not in violation and that I should not revert any more of your edits, because they were simply edits about geographical features. I mentioned that a block was the likely outcome of continuing to violate the restriction since you acknowledged the alert but refused to accept any responsibility, indicating that you may continue to make such edits due to smartass comments like we both know I am right in this situation. It is mentioned at WP:RUSUKR that blocks may be used as a method of enforcement. The exchange is right above this. I am not sure why you feel the need to invent a new story. Mellk (talk) 17:12, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not inventing anything, the entire conversation is recorded here on Wiki:

• You informed me that I need Wikipedia:XC status to make those edits
• I said that I will be obtaining the status required to make the edits
• After that, you started threatening me

I came across several articles that contain factual mistakes, and I intend to improve those articles by rectifying the factual mistakes. Maxymczech (talk) 18:04, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's all good. You can. Thanks for the tedious but necessary improvements. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 20:52, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you 😍 Maxymczech (talk) 20:56, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]