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You have Jedediah Kimball as a Whig. My standard source, State of Wisconsin Legislative Reference Bureau. [http://lrbdigital.legis.wisconsin.gov/digital/collection/p16831coll2/id/1303/ Members of the Wisconsin Legislature 1848–1999 Information Bulletin 99-1 (September 1999), has him as a Democrat. What was your source? --Orange Mike | Talk 01:21, 7 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It was most likely a copy-error -- I used the 1st Wisconsin Legislature article as my template when creating the 2nd Wisconsin Legislature article and the person in his seat in the 1st Legislature was a Whig. I also rely on the same LRB list, especially for early legislatures like 1849 where there are very few other sources available. Since you asked the question, I did search some other sources for information on this guy and found almost nothing. I have no reason to believe he was a Whig. --Asdasdasdff (talk) 07:32, 7 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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I created the first one here 1st Wisconsin Territorial Assembly. Will get to the others when I can. --Asdasdasdff (talk) 04:46, 29 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I've added all five to Template:Wisconsin legislatures. --Orange Mike | Talk 13:10, 29 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Yeah, that is a good map. At this point though I've basically drawn all of the maps now in SVG format, it's just a bit of a process to get them all uploaded. I also compiled a list of all the redistricting laws and court decisions at the bottom of Redistricting in Wisconsin as a resource for the legal definitions of the districts over time. --Asdasdasdff (talk) 19:06, 12 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

How did you find out. I am sad now :( 2604:2D80:4D0E:4200:394A:A72C:3729:27DD (talk) 06:57, 17 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Well, with your help we've now got at least a stub for every member of the 25th! --Orange Mike | Talk 17:19, 25 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Howdy. You're jumping the gun a bit. Evers (second term) & Rodriguez don't get sworn in until Wisconsin noontime, 3 Jan 2023. The 106th legislature doesn't go into session until that same time. GoodDay (talk) 04:53, 3 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Figured its close enough to get it started -- there's a ton of Reps to do this term. All terms expire the midnight before the first Monday of January regardless of when the swearing in ceremony occurs (generally first business day after that term expiration). So we're in kind of grey area. -- Asdasdasdff (talk) 04:58, 3 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I thought the Wisconsin Assembly & Senate terms ended at noon, when the new terms began. GoodDay (talk) 05:08, 3 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Pretty sure all term changes in Wisconsin occur at midnight of the first date of the new term. For partisan offices that's first Monday of January. -- Asdasdasdff (talk) 05:13, 3 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, also. Regardless of whether it's midnight or noon, the changeover is definitely first Monday of January in the constitution. So doing the swearing in tomorrow is entirely ceremonial because they wanted their vacation day after new year. -- Asdasdasdff (talk) 05:21, 3 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Just going by the bios of former assembly members & senators, who appear to use the 'swearing in' date of their successors, as their own exit. GoodDay (talk) 05:38, 3 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I've actually never seen them do the swearing in on a day other than the first Monday, so we're in kind of uncharted territory. Asdasdasdff (talk) 05:46, 3 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

So yeah, it's debatable whether Rodriguez is an incumbent, even though the term to which she was elected has started. But Mandela is definitely no longer an incumbent, as his term definitely expired January 2. -- Asdasdasdff (talk) 06:35, 3 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Asdasdasdff can you fix the Independents party color cell fix the page is locked and i cant fix it its on the talk page on the senate I will leave the tempt on here as well thank you

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Looks like someone else fixed it, right? -- Asdasdasdff (talk) 07:30, 9 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. I just wanted to take a moment and thank you for your thorough research and hard work in making the Redistricting in Wisconsin page. It is very well written, and it inspired me to make a similar page for Texas. I wish every state could have a redistricting page as thorough as the one you have written. Well done! OutlawRun (talk) 04:46, 29 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! It is a passion project. Fortunate for me that Wisconsin has such thorough records. Nice work on Texas! -- Asdasdasdff (talk) 16:04, 29 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I wanted to get a second opinion, but it is accurate to describe Judge Protasiewicz as the Milwaukee circuit court judge for Branch 24? In my edits, I am merely trying to match the infobox formatting seen in the pages for judges like Rebecca Dallet and Jill Karofsky. However, there seems to be a user who keeps on altering and removing the infoboxes for no stated reason. Barbarbarty (talk) 12:06, 5 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Barbarbarty: I'll jump in as a talk page stalker and let you know that your description is accurate. -- Dolotta (talk) 12:26, 5 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah. "Wisconsin Circuit Court Judge" or "Wisconsin Circuit Judge" "for the X Circuit" is definitely the correct title format. I just don't have the energy for the back-and-forth. --Asdasdasdff (talk) 14:21, 5 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thankfully it seems to only be a specific user - I have corrected it but I will keep an eye on the article. Barbarbarty (talk) 14:40, 5 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Dolotta and Barbarbarty: Anyone interested in a discussion of a comprehensive fix to the "colloquialism in the place of a judicial title" problem? This one's a bit outside of Wisconsin, but .. still has to be done. Wikipedia talk:WikiProject United States courts and judges#Correcting the titles of U.S. district judges -- Asdasdasdff (talk) 19:29, 6 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Could you cite your source for this date of death? Thanks. DS (talk) 15:50, 24 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, the Racine Journal Times has his obit. I think I meant to do a more thorough update but got distracted. You can have it, or I'll come back and do it someday. -- Asdasdasdff (talk) 07:39, 27 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello Asdasdasdff, sorry to intrude on your talk page but I came to see if you wanted to help me on a project I've wanted to work on. That project is putting past Wisconsin state elections on pages (such as state legislative elections, referenda, or other statewide elections). One set of examples I think would be important to make into a page are the 2010 and 2012 state legislative elections, since those saw the GOP gain a majority and the majority-made gerrymander take effect respectively which are incredibly influential on Wisconsin history. I also wanted to go about modernizing the various "20XX Wisconsin elections" pages (as the 2008 WI elections pages still say some races are subject to AP calls and recounts!). I would understand if you have other more important projects to work on than documenting Wisconsin state elections on to their own pages, but I was hoping I would not have to do this by myself and could get some help on this, presumably, massive project.

I guess it's a passion project I want to embark on, as a politics, history, and elections nerd, to make pages and make available info on our past elections which otherwise remains obscure (I want to be able to make state legislative election pages as far back as we can go with available resources). If I am being too vague I can explain some of the other ideas I've had. Talthiel (talk) 14:28, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, this is something I've thought about before and would like to help with. I recently finished creating the articles for all of the Wisconsin legislative terms, so I think this follows naturally. We can go pretty far back with state legislative election data if you've got the endurance for all that work -- the Wisconsin blue books cover us pretty comprehensively all the way back to 1870. -- Asdasdasdff (talk) 15:22, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oh I definitely have the endurance, I was hoping you would as well. Depending on what you want to do, I was hoping we could split up the workload, but I also had some goals to update and standardize the various 20XX Wisconsin election pages like I said, but I also would love to eventually make 19XX election pages too, based on bluebook results. (If you'd like I can begin working on some articles today) Talthiel (talk) 15:37, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds good. I've also been meaning to do some cleanup on some of the gubernatorial election articles, but not an immediate priority. Lets see what you have in mind for format going forward, because I do like to strive for uniformity. -- Asdasdasdff (talk) 15:46, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Well for standardization I mostly meant bringing the other "20XX Wisconsin elections" pages in line with our format on 2024 Wisconsin elections. Talthiel (talk) 15:48, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Great -- Asdasdasdff (talk) 23:22, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Alright, I've begun making some edits to articles such as 2011 Senate (recall), 2012 Senate (recall). I have also made articles for the 2014 AG election, as well as the (still work-in-progress) 1934 & 2010 state senate elections. One major thing I will say is I have not really touched references, as I don't know how to handle taking references from one page and updating and putting them into another. @Asdasdasdff, I have plans to turn the other constitutional office elections into their own pages but you can check out the work I've done so far if you'd like and fix any noticeable issues you might see. Talthiel (talk) 01:14, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Asdasdasdff in making vaeious election articles, is there a reason the Senate President is the leader for the 1st place party? It seems inconsistently applied, with the older election articles showing the party leaders as the majority and minority leaders, but more recent ones show the senate president as the leader of the majority party. So should we change the recent ones to fit the standard of older articles, or fit the older articles to the standard of more recent ones? Talthiel (talk) 22:48, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I think it should be majority leader. Senate President has traditionally been a more honorific position that the majority party awards to the most senior member of the majority party. LATELY, they've made it into more of a leadership role with Roger Roth and Chris Kapenga (because they were building up Roth for a moment like right now, when he's probably going to be elected to Congress in 2024). But yeah, I think it should be majority leader. -- Asdasdasdff (talk) 22:53, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Alright, I will factor that when I finish my 1996 senate article and work on other Senate elections. Though I do like how some senate election articles show the elected/outgoing president at the bottom of the infobox, and I wouldnt be against doing that for future pages (and adding it to past ones). Talthiel (talk) 22:56, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I think that's fine, and better to include than leave blank. -- Asdasdasdff (talk) 22:57, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Asdasdasdff I also realized we could/should make election maps for all of these, but I cannot seem to find shape file data prior to 2000's redistricting. But I don't know, maybe you would have a better time looking than I would, if such files do not exist, we could try to make them or leave maps out of election pages prior to the 2002 redistricting. Talthiel (talk) 14:57, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I would love to do this, and I've made some more rudimentary versions of these shapes for the legislature articles, but it'll take some work. I'll work on it. -- Asdasdasdff (talk) 00:19, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Another comment I've been thinking on while doing some reading, @Asdasdasdff, I think we should also make pages for municipal or county elections. This is something I see with cities for other states, large and small, and I think it'd be a nice touch for Wisconsin elections to have pages for at least major city's mayoral elections, major county's county exec elections, and general election pages otherwise (Some examples could be a page like "2024 Dane County elections" or "2023 Madison Mayoral election") . Thoughts? Talthiel (talk) 00:10, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I could definitely see the case for Madison, Milwaukee, and Green Bay. But the data will be much tougher to scrape together than state legislative elections. -- Asdasdasdff (talk) 05:26, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've found, from some searching, that Milwaukee has on-site data as far back as 1997. Dane County has on-site results as far back as 1998. Brown County has on-site results as far back as 1984. Kenosha has on-site results as far back as 2004. Racine has election information going back to 2018, but I could not get the site to go beyond the first page. While Eau Claire's election's site seems to have results back to 2010. Though it's theoretically possible there's results further back in archives and older webites.

Also I wonder, what is even considered a major city/county in Wisconsin, since Madison/Dane, Milwaukee, and Green Bay/Brown seems rather arbitrary. The grouping isn't based on population, since it would/should include other major cities in WI such as Kenosha, Racine, Waukesha, Eau Claire, etc. So it seems to me that the inclusion of only those three (and specifically for Mayoral election redirects only) seems rather arbitrary. Now I won't suggest we make pages or full result for like every city, only major/big cities (so maybe like the top 5 or 6 biggest cities in WI), but it might be good for us to discuss what cities should be able to have pages or more dedicated election results, and which ones should not (and what cities/counties should get inclusion in the elections template). Talthiel (talk) 15:25, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Well, Madison, Milwaukee, and Green Bay are the 3 cities with population above 100k. Kenosha is just a bit under 100k. But 100k is also just an arbitrary cutoff. I'm fine doing whatever we can get data for, but I do think it'll be very hard to find official data prior to the years you mentioned. Especially if you want to go broader than mayoral elections to other local election results. -- Asdasdasdff (talk) 03:41, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think we could document data from Wisconsin's like top 5 and add in Kenosha and Racine (going too far might make things, such as the Elections in Wisconsin Template, too cluttered). I might be overcomplicating things but I imagine we could have a page "2024 Dane County elections" but also make a page such as "2023 Madison Mayoral election" Since obviously we don't need pages on every single election in each major county or each city in said county.

but I do think it'll be very hard to find official data prior to the years you mentioned.

From my perspective I don't think it will be too big of a problem, as we obviously have our limits, but it's still better to have something there than nothing in my opinion. Though I guess it will all depend on the page being made, or the election in question. I know the 1910 Milwaukee mayoral election relies on a newspaper for the actual results of the election, so if we have to, we can turn to less conventional sources for potential vote totals or candidate names.

I think a bigger thing to figure out would be deciding what pages would be made or not (so for example should we make a series of "Dane County general elections" pages to group less important offices or cities' elections per year, alongside pages on each Dane County mayoral election?) Talthiel (talk) 18:39, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I'm on generally on board.

I think a bigger thing to figure out would be deciding what pages would be made or not

This also becomes a question of "notability". So I think we can make whatever articles we want, but they could end up deleted or consolidated under notability guidelines, like my memory isn't perfect on this, but I think there used to be separate pages for different Green Bay mayoral elections and they all ended up consolidated into that one article. -- Asdasdasdff (talk) 04:35, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We could make list articles, like those that currently exist for Green Bay and Madison for the other main cities in question, and make articles if they become too big in said sections (I am planning on doing that with Madison's 2023 Mayoral election). Though I guess that doesn't answer the question on notability., Talthiel (talk) 22:32, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hey, @Asdasdasdff, sorry to seem like Im snooping around with an unorthodox question, but I've seen some of the pages you revamp out of interest and I find your work to be very impressive, do you have any advice or recommendations on how to find content one can even put into an article? I've tried to expand articles myself but I seem unable to find really any stories or history worthy of inclusion, so I am curious to know your process for researching historical officeholders and writing out pages. Talthiel (talk) 00:59, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I feel like for most politicians there's 4 main sections that I want to build out for an article -- (1) early life (2) non-political career (3) political career (4) personal/family. Other than that, I go to the places where you find their biography laid out and see what was prioritized in those writings -- the one that's generally easiest to find is the obituaries, which generally have some good ideas to look into further. You can also sometimes find a bio written about the person at some earlier point in their political career, like the first time they ran for office -- that's usually helpful for figuring out what they were known for before politics. For people who were in political office before like 1900 you can often times find them in like "history of X county" books, which sometimes have a useful bio. For lawyers and judges from that era, there's the "bench and bar" books where you might be able to find a bio.

For the family section, I generally want to find out some detail about their family history (especially if the family is either recent immigrants or been here since the 1600s, etc). Generally you can find a newspaper article for when they got married, sometimes there's also some useful biographical info in that too. For additional detail on the family, I sometimes look for obituaries of siblings, parents, children, etc.

I also then usually do some googling just to see if the person is known for something other than what I'm looking at them for -- and to check to see if there was any more recent mention of this historical figure for some reason. In either of those cases, there's a good chance its worth including.

But then its just like how much you want to work to flesh out the rest of it. For members of congress, I'll generally search through their entire lifetime in newspapers.com in 1 year increments looking for interesting events. For some people there's multiple articles every year and you have to just make a judgement call about what is actually relevant. Basically if its about something or someone else with a Wikipedia article I consider that to be a good candidate for including.

But yeah, you generally have to dig through a lot of "guy gives speech about local thing" articles to find stuff worth including. -- Asdasdasdff (talk) 04:05, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There are likely going to be NPOV concerns with wording like this. Ed ^{[talk] [OMT]} 05:11, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

..Yeah, you're probably right. The problem is that the language is what it is. I'm open to some ideas for alternative phrasing, but the amendment does actually remove the right to vote from the constitution. And that's a pretty radical change. -- Asdasdasdff (talk) 06:56, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The better way to communicate that is to quote someone else's words -- ideally a news outlet. But the news articles I'm seeing don't discuss the amendment in such apocalyptic terms. E.g. WUWM. Ed ^{[talk] [OMT]} 15:37, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, other than LWV (which does address the extreme nature of the change), I've only seen one or two articles even mention the amendment, and they all buy the political PR framing of "this is just about non-citizen voting". I'll come back after work today and add a link to the actual joint resolution text with the proposed new wording for section 1, which clearly strikes the word "Every" from "Every U.S. citizen ... is a qualified elector". -- Asdasdasdff (talk) 16:37, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I've removed the burial category from Angus Cameron (American politician) because that's a container category per WP:OClocation. I also reverted your removal of non-diffusing categories that you called "redundant" from Lena Taylor. Please review WP:EGRS for how categories related to race, gender, ethnicity, etc are handled.^SMason_Garrison 02:15, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I guess I don't understand what's meant by "diffusing" then. "21st-century African-American women politicians" is a sub-cat of both "21st-century African-American politicians" and "21st-century women politicians", so wouldn't it be preferable to categorize with the intersecting category rather than over-categorizing into all 3?

On the burial thing, I wasn't aware of that guidance, but makes sense and will follow going forward. -- Asdasdasdff (talk) 02:33, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's not overcategorization per WP:ALLINCLUDED. Otherwise, the only people left in the parent categories would be non-women and non-ethnic minorities. For example, we would only have white women left in 21st-century American women politicians, which is obviously not ideal for a lot of reasons. ^SMason_Garrison 02:41, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oh yeah. That does make sense. That was a better way of explaining it than the text of WP:EGRS. -- Asdasdasdff (talk) 02:49, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! That's really helpful to know that that explaination is effective. :) ^SMason_Garrison 02:54, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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