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Talk:National Register of Historic Places listings in Minnesota

Demolished

List here lost properties that have been confirmed from a published source. These should be reported to the Minnesota Historical Society for delisting.

References

  1. ^ Smith, Jason (2010-08-05). "Ziegler's Ford Bridge". Bridgehunter.com. Retrieved 2015-10-12.
  2. ^ Hatler, Carrie (March 2015). "Laura Baker's School in Northfield". Forgotten Minnesota. Retrieved 2015-08-07.
  3. ^ Riebe, Angie (2019-02-04). "Old church demolition saddens, improves Catholic community". Star Tribune. Minneapolis. Retrieved 2019-10-25.
  4. ^ Gee, Alastair (2018-01-29). "Rotting cabins, closed trails: why we're shining a light on US national parks". The Guardian. Retrieved 2018-01-29.
  5. ^ Vogel, Jennifer (2013-07-05). "Sometimes they can't be saved: Morris to tear down elementary school". Minnesota Public Radio. Retrieved 2014-09-09.

Possibly demolished

List here properties which seem to be lost, but lack a citation confirming that they've been demolished.

Can't find in aerial or street view imagery. -McGhiever (talk) 17:13, 6 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Definitely demolished (many years ago, according to an owner of the nearby restaurant) except for an outlying shed, which I photographed. Jonathunder (talk) 15:24, 24 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Gone per site visit in July 2016. -McGhiever (talk) 00:06, 21 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Only foundation visible in satellite imagery
Appears demolished per site visit in Jul 2013. -McGhiever (talk) 17:13, 6 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Reported by new local editor; empty lot in satellite photos. -McGhiever (talk) 22:36, 16 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
That would explain why we couldn't find it last August when I got most of the other sites in Bovey. Jonathunder (talk) 19:59, 17 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Now an empty lot in Google satellite and street views. -McGhiever (talk) 13:46, 10 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Dropped by site on April 15, 2013, became suspicious is either gone or is actually next door. Cross-checking at SHPO on April 16, 2013; the c. 1860 house is not anywhere in the area it's supposed to be. Safe to presume demolished. --Bobak (talk) 16:56, 16 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Dropped by site on April 15, 2013, thought I may have found it and took some photos of a very unique structure. Cross-checking at SHPO on April 16, 2013; the fairly typical period house is not at the site (waterfront condos are) and it is safe to presume demolished. --Bobak (talk) 17:09, 16 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Now an empty lot in Google satellite view. -McGhiever (talk) 16:17, 22 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Can't find in aerial views (see photo); presumably on the grounds of the Minnesota Correctional Facility – Faribault, which precludes an in-person search.-McGhiever (talk) 04:32, 19 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Modern bridges (confirmed in site visit Oct 2012) occupy locations confirmed from SHPO files. -McGhiever (talk) 03:19, 20 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Most contributing properties appear to have been razed and replaced with modern structures in current Google satellite view. -McGhiever (talk) 02:50, 12 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Couldn't find it driving past the site in September 2015. Google Maps now appears to show two circular outlines of where it was. Jonathunder (talk) 00:28, 21 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
All but one building of 10-contributing-property complex appears demolished in Google & Bing Maps.
Location seems accurate per description in nomination form. Nothing visible in satellite imagery, plus this upload to Panoramio from a searcher in 2011.

Coordinates unverified

Besides the three sections above, these are the only properties whose coordinates I am less than 99% sure of. In 2012 and 2013 I fine-tuned the coordinates for every MN NRHP listing to be spot-on. These remaining properties are probably correct but have resisted confirmation through aerial or street view imagery. -McGhiever (talk) 17:13, 6 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Other issues

Use this section to list issues that don't fit in any other category.

Confirmed what happened to it: In 1984 it was moved to Lake Washington County Park for use as a pedestrian bridge. The move was never "pre-approved" for the move as per NRHP procedures (documentation, approval by State Review Board, approval by the Keeper), and it was apparently automatically removed by the Register--though SHPO continues to show it as listed, at the old location; and the state bridge plan shows it as listed, at the new location. According to a January 11, 2011 by Dennis Gimmestead (Cultural Resources Unit, Office of Environmental Services, MNDot) it needs a new nomination to re-list. --Bobak (talk) 17:24, 16 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Not publicly accessible

Add to this section any properties that are difficult or impossible for regular contributors to photograph clearly. This will help other photographers know which sites are largely hopeless, while pinpointing which properties to request an image donation for from institutions like the Minnesota Historical Society.

Lost delistings needing photo

These properties were delisted due to loss from demolition, fire, etc. They remain in need of a photograph, which could be solicited from a historical society or other institutional donation.

There are two Chicago, Milwaukee, St. Paul and Pacific Railroad Depot (Dakota County, Minnesota), although only one that's listed is a former NRHP site. So if you people don't mind, I'm going to split that redlink between Farmington and Hastings. ---------User:DanTD (talk) 17:59, 12 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Possibly standing delistings needing coordinates

These properties were delisted because they were moved or altered, compromising their historical integrity. They may still be standing but their current locations are unknown. It may be useful to add their current coordinates and possibly a current photograph.

Bridgehunter posting from 2010 says bridge dismantled, not yet reassembled elsewhere.[1] -McGhiever (talk) 21:39, 19 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ Smith, Jason (2010-08-05). "Hungry Hollow Bridge". Bridgehunter.com. Retrieved 2015-12-19.

Address restricted

Some properties, particularly archaeological sites, are listed by the NRHP as "Address restricted" to protect them from looting or vandalism. There is a placeholder image used for these in county lists, but it may be possible to acquire specific images for some of these listings (for example, from a historical society or the Institute for Minnesota Archaeology, artifacts from the site now in a museum, or a historical marker). Moreover some sites are more publicly accessible than the NRHP listing suggests (marked with interpretive signage in a park, for example) and could be given coordinates and a site photo.

References

  1. ^ Aufderheide, Arthur C., et al. "Health, Demography, and Archaeology of Mille Lacs Native American Mortuary Populations". Plains Anthropologist 39.149 (1994): 251-375: 273.
  2. ^ a b c d Anfinson, Scott (2009). "Finding Minnesota: A Geographic Guide to Minnesota Archaeology" (Document). Minnesota Office of the State Archaeologist. {{cite document}}: Unknown parameter |accessdate= ignored (help); Unknown parameter |url= ignored (help)
  3. ^ LeVasseur, Andrea K. (2003). "Profiles, Mystery Bones, and Pots: The South Pike Bay Site" (PDF). The Minnesota Archaeologist. 62: 85–98. Retrieved 2014-01-31.
  4. ^ Paprock, John-Brian; Teresa Peneguy Paprock (2004). Sacred Sites of Minnesota. Black Earth, Wis.: Trails Books. ISBN 1931599262.
  5. ^ Crow Wing State Forest (PDF) (Map). State of Minnesota, Department of Natural Resources. 2000. Retrieved 2016-07-18.
  6. ^ "Sites of Interest". Crosslake Historical Society. Retrieved 2014-08-17.
  7. ^ Gibbon, Guy; Scott F. Anfinson (2008). "The Oneota Tradition in Southern Minnesota". Minnesota Archaeology: The First 13,000 Years. University of Minnesota.
  8. ^ Dudzik, Mark J. "Annual Report, Fiscal Years 2004/05" (Document). Office of the State Archaeologist. {{cite document}}: Unknown parameter |accessdate= ignored (help); Unknown parameter |url= ignored (help)
  9. ^ Dudzik, Mark J. (1995). "Visions in Stone: The Rock Art of Minnesota" (PDF). The Minnesota Archaeologist. 54. Retrieved 2013-09-08.
  10. ^ a b c d Granger, Susan; Scott Kelly (June 1994). "Little Falls' Historic Contexts: Final Report of an Historic Preservation Planning Project" (Document). Gemini Research. {{cite document}}: Unknown parameter |url= ignored (help)
  11. ^ Per address given in MHS NRHP database
  12. ^ "Great archeological 'dig' right in Grand Meadow's backyard". Meadow Area News. 2007-11-07. Retrieved 2013-09-06.

Willard Bunnell House (Winona County)

I shifted the Willard Bunnell House link from Winona to Homer, because the house is actually in Homer, which borders Winona. I am gathering solid material now toward creating the Bunnell House article very soon. Hurrmic (talk) 14:42, 18 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Draft tally table of MN RHPs by county

Drafting at National Register of Historic Places listings in Minnesota\temp...if this turns out okay i would like to insert it into this list-article, as has been done for some other state RHP lists. This main list-article is a bit large, currently. If the remaining 20 or so small counties were table-ized, it would be too large. Is it okay if i move out to separate pages, some of the remaining larger counties? doncram (talk) 23:42, 6 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I moved out the remaining counties that had 20 or more listings. A couple with 19 already were split out. Still too big. Need to split out all others with more than 15 listings, and then perhaps those having exactly 15 listings, i think. doncram (talk) 01:26, 7 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Multiple Property Submissions etc.

I added section to list all Multiple Property Submission, MRA, and TR studies for NRHP eligibility for the state. Thanks Elkman for providing generator to make that list easily! Does this add to the list-article sufficiently to develop it? I personally think each of the MRA documents should justify an article.... doncram (talk) 05:25, 17 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I made this list for Florida. Might something like it work here? --Ebyabe (talk) 20:48, 17 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Many of Minnesota's listings on the NRHP are described in the following Multiple Property Submissions, Multiple Resource Area, or Thematic Resources studies. Briefly i thot these were all wikipedia notable, but probably they are not all notable that way. Removed them from the main article. For each there is a NRHP document available on-line. These can be used, at least, to develop articles on the NRHPs. Anyhow, the list of MPSs etc, is:

Navigation aid

Doncram added statement on where to find the entries for Minneapolis and Saint Paul. This should help many readers, especially those who don't know the state's largest city is in Hennepin County and the Capitol is in Ramsey. Another editor has removed it on the grounds of inconsistency. I think the benefit to the reader of being able to quickly find the Twin Cities in the long list outweighs inconsistency, particularly since so many listings are there. Jonathunder (talk) 15:20, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This seems more than reasonable to me and, fwiw, there's precedent for this type of thing in the New Jersey and Delaware lists (there may be others, but those are two of which I'm aware). --sanfranman59 (talk) 01:59, 27 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Splitting out counties with 10 and 9 sites

Due to the slow page-loading for this list, built up by more photos being added all the time, i think it's necessary now to split out more of the counties. That is, to create separate articles for Aitkin 10, Dodge 10, Lac Qui Parle 10, Mower 10, Nobles 10, Waseca 10, Big Stone 9, and Isanti 9 counties. Hope that is okay. --doncram (talk) 19:55, 20 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Counties Lacking Historic Places listed

Are they counties without any places listed not yet researched, or do they just not have any historic places in them? Sarah.Angela97 (talk) 22:23, 16 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Each of Minnesota's 87 counties has at least two sites on the register, all of which are shown in the county lists, though not all of them have articles. Jonathunder (talk) 23:04, 16 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed removals

These properties were proposed to be removed from the National Register by the State Historic Preservation Review Board when they met in August 2018:

  • Albertville Roller Mill, Albertville, Wright County
  • Cloverton School, New Dorsey Township, Pine County
  • Columbian Hotel, Ortonville, Big Stone County
  • Delhi Coronet Band Hall, Delhi, Redwood County
  • Hebeisenb House, Hamburg, Carver County

These are listed on the agenda for the November meeting:

  • Commercial Hotel, Wabasso, Redwood County
  • Itasca Lumber Company Superintendent’s Residence, Deer River, Itasca County
  • Minnewaska Hospital, Starbuck, Pope County

-Jonathunder (talk) 17:14, 17 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Lorenzo Boardman architect

Hi User:Jonathunder, others, does anyone have means to identify works by architect Lorenzo M. Boardman in the Minneapolis area? He apparently worked in the area for 30 years. An editor is keen to know. I tried browsing in the sources in historic district articles in Minneapolis, but many of those sources are not available online. --Doncram (talk) 21:21, 1 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I'll check some print sources. -McGhiever (talk) 22:59, 2 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Who does NRHS research?

Is this the kind of research that determines every site in the National Register? I came across this assessment (p. 309) by accident. I've never heard of Mead & Hunt before (they have 40 US locations and wrote other works cited in Wikipedia) but am taken aback by their sources and conclusion. I guess they talked to or read Patty Dean (MNHS) and Chris Osgood, and they cite Wikipedia at least twice. That's an unacceptable gut punch of a record. Why didn't Mead & Hunt ask Martin Keller? Andrea Swensson? Jon Bream? Chris Riemenschneider? Sorry but I had assumed that the register used reliable sourcing that is better than Wikipedia's sources.

There is a dearth of scholarly research on the popular music scene in Minneapolis, and in the United States in general. Without the perspective gained from this research, it is not possible to establish the significance of First Avenue and the 7th Street Entry.

Recommendation:
 First Avenue and the 7th St. Entry is recommended as not eligible for listing in the National Register.

-SusanLesch (talk) 18:54, 25 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This looks like the results of a study for potentially historic properties that would be impacted as a result of construction for the Southwest Corridor transit extension. I get the feeling they weren't exactly looking to add a lot of properties to the National Register, but rather they wanted to cover all the bases for the draft environmental impact statement. I'd be willing to bet that if First Avenue wanted to put their building on the National Register, they could make the case that it's significant either for its architecture or for its role in the Minneapolis music scene. I get the feeling that these days, a lot of National Register nominations are about getting tax credits or financial assistance for historic preservation. I just wrote about the Amhoist Tower, which was built in 1984 and recently added to the National Register, even though Larry Millett didn't even write about it in the AIA Guide to the Twin Cities. I'd love to see the IDS Tower listed on the National Register, since it's arguably more famous. --Elkman (Elkspeak) 03:04, 26 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. Another question, Elkman. Do you happen to know if the Strutwear Building across from U.S. Bank Stadium is the same building in which Seymour Cray began work on the CDC 6600? Before he moved camp to Chippewa Falls. 501 Park Avenue where Control Data started seems to sit underneath a Minnesota Vikings longhouse. I agree the IDS Tower should be listed and really this Control Data history should be too. -SusanLesch (talk) 18:44, 24 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The Strutwear building might be associated with Seymour Cray and with the CDC 6600, but sources disagree. I'm looking at a December 22, 1981 article in the Minneapolis Star (from newspapers.com), and it says that he designed the CDC 6600 in a lab that Control Data built for him in 1962 in Chippewa Falls. But, a November 12, 1961 article says that engineers were working on the CDC 6600 in the Strutwear Building. The National Register nomination for the Strutwear Building doesn't say anything about Control Data, only saying that Strutwear ended operations in the building in 1958. So, I'm taking the guess that even if part of the design of the CDC 6600 was done in the Strutwear building, the building's notability for the National Register doesn't cover that. --Elkman (Elkspeak) 19:18, 24 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for that nomination form. I walk past Hess & Roise when I'm in Minneapolis and next time might knock. A search for Strutwear finds Robert M. Price wrote that as "a matter of historical record", the CDC 6600 was "well underway" before the move to Chippewa Falls (p. 36). Mr. Price worked for the company in 1961 and later was CEO. I understand that the Strutwear strike was an important event but gee whiz. -SusanLesch (talk) 18:35, 25 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Elkman, today I tried to reach Hess Roise about Seymour Cray and the CDC 6600 at Strutwear. They seemed to take the message. -SusanLesch (talk) 17:52, 29 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Quelle: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mcghiever/NRHP