Trump Tower: A Novel is the title.

This is a very short title.

No need for disambig.

No emergency or overrriding concern for disambig.

Please leave it here. Sagecandor (talk) 16:54, 20 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

NOTE: There is zero other existing book article titles on Wikipedia by this title. Sagecandor (talk) 16:56, 20 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

WP:SUBTITLES expressly says we should keep it here for short titles, per: The only exception to that is short article titles, for disambiguation purposes. Thank you. Sagecandor (talk) 17:04, 20 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

WP:SUBTITLES is not the point. All journalistic sources call this book just Trump Tower.[3][4][5][6] The "a novel" stamped on the book cover is not obviously meant to be part of the title. — JFG ^talk 20:48, 20 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I've thought about this one and it's not a big deal. We can move it to Trump Tower (novel). Either way is fine by me. Sagecandor (talk) 02:30, 21 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

{{rfc}} Should the first sentence refer to the first edition of the book which credited Donald Trump as author with ghostwriter Jeffrey Robinson, and was marketed as Trump's "debut novel" by the publisher ? Sagecandor (talk) 02:29, 21 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed first sentence:

Trump Tower is a novel originally credited in its first edition to Donald Trump with ghostwriter Jeffrey Robinson,^[1][2] and was billed as Trump's "debut novel" by the publisher.^[3][4]

Survey

• Support, as proposed. Article should first refer to first edition. Original edition marketed by publisher as Trump's "debut novel". This is per multiple sources. First sentence should state this. 2nd edition does not cancel out history of marketing for first edition. Sagecandor (talk) 02:29, 21 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose – Sources make it clear that Jeffrey Robinson was the sole author and Trump's name was only (planned to be) used for marketing purposes. It has not even been confirmed whether this "first edition" was ever printed: journalistic sources talk about "advertising copy" for a cancelled publication, replaced by the Robinson-only version in 2012.[11][12] To better reflect verifiable information, I suggest restoring my earlier formulation "a book by Jeffrey Robinson, originally credited to Donald Trump". — JFG ^talk 06:13, 21 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

  Let's look at those two sources: Vanity Fair says before it was even a book, Trump himself pitched the story to Hollywood. The Huffington Post reports it was billed as Trump's "debut novel" -- the most notable thing about the book. Sagecandor (talk) 18:59, 21 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose, per JFG. I also oppose to "A Novel" as part of the title once it's moved: Trump Tower is a novel ..." --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:07, 21 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

  @Gerda Arendt:Changed wording, per your suggestion. Sagecandor (talk) 18:56, 21 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose per JFG and Gerda. — O Fortuna ^{semper crescis, aut decrescis} 10:04, 21 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose as factually incorrect - in multiple ways

(1) The First edition is the first published mass run... a tentative advertising balloon or even the Advance reading copy would factually not be the first edition.

(2) The vast bulk of literary sources - Library of Congress, Worldcat, Openlib, Alibris, Amazon ... say only Jeffrey Robinson. They and any period articles should be given precedence over all these 2017 tabloid looking bits touting some titillation now that he is the American President.

(3) To be consistent to ghost author usages, both his and all the other politicians, it would list the authorship as presented, whether that is first, second, or not at all. Here that is shown as "by Donald Trump with" the ghostwriter. To instead word it as "credited" seems an awkward bit of WP:OR or WP:SYNTH.

Cheers Markbassett (talk) 00:13, 23 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Library of Congress, Worldcat, Openlib, Alibris, all say Trump as author of first edition. Amazon.com bare links are not a reliable source. Sagecandor (talk) 01:24, 23 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Sagecandor - Since first edition refers to the commercial first run sold, who better? Turn up something before a 2017 tabloid piece or about actual sales please, otherwise I think this is something that was just a cover art or perhaps as far as a reading copy in pre-publication but no more -- the item might have been initially copyrighted as such and almost gotten there, but then actual release done on a separate copyright, different ISBN, etcetera and Donald Trump never was author on somwthing mass produced and sold by this title. Note the vast amount of these big boys of literary places are listing only Jeffrey Robinson on searches, and accept the vastly dominant mainstream literary reality is what Amazon and etcetera have to offer.  :

Abebooks

Alibris

Amazon

Barnes & Noble

Google Books

Library of Congress

Cheers Markbassett (talk) 00:47, 24 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

WorldCat, Internet Archive, Alibris, all before that, all not "tabloids", all say Trump is author of first edition. Sagecandor (talk) 03:00, 24 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Sagecandor - These seem just confirming what I said, preliminary work but not actually published: WorldCat view button is a deadlink, Alibris says "no copies available", and Internet Archive is showing ISBN 9781593156435 reserved the title on July 2011 and cover art of Sep 2011 -- before the March 2012 publication [Internet Archive ISBN 9781593157357. These are not even indicating an ARC was done at that point. Again, either show an article about the text (prior to 2017 tabloid bits) or show a commercial availability or you've just got some kind of pre-publication that never became a reality. Cheers Markbassett (talk) 20:17, 24 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

WP:No original research on your part. Not sure what you mean by "tabloid bits". Sagecandor (talk) 02:26, 27 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

? User:Sagecandor -Simply listing the vast bulk of references that are not sayingTrump, and that the ones you mention saying Trump are saying not published as such is WP:V. So again, factually untrue to say the first edition named Trump when the first actual publication of almost all sources is showing Jeffrey Robinson. The articles in 2017 seem focused on flogging scandal of famous, so read like click bait or "tabloid bits" not to be pushed above weight versus the more numerous and credible sources say no. Show me an actual article prior to 2016 when it all went political that says Trump or I think this article looks like just spreading the latest WP:NOTNEWS false wp:gossip. Cheers. Markbassett (talk) 04:52, 5 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Without referring to more specific issues, your false assertions and WP:No original research violations read more like WP:IDONTLIKEIT than any serious level of discourse. Sagecandor (talk) 04:56, 5 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Support The coverage is factual and well covered in the world media, no problem with including it. Damotclese (talk) 04:57, 2 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Threaded discussion

• If the publisher had not marketed the book as the "debut novel" of Trump, the case would not be as strong to mention that in the first sentence. But they did, and we should, as it is encyclopedic to refer in an article about a book to the first edition of the book, primarily. It is the most notable part of the book. Sagecandor (talk) 02:29, 21 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]