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As to the translation of "Koploper": this has a double meaning which is not quite reflected in "headwalker". On the one hand, it suggests "walking through the head [of the train]", but the more literal meaning is something like "the one who has taken the lead position" (a leading runner or cyclist would be said to be "op kop"). I know it is hard to translate, but perhaps this info might be interesting so the reader. MartinD, on the Dutch Wikipedia, 27 sept. 2005.

Hil/zij is de kop van... He/she is the head of a company. Peter Horn User talk 17:42, 19 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• This is a list, not an article. Start out with a chronological background story and fill in the details later. Perhaps even in separate articles.
• There is potential for confusion between the ...in the Netherlands articles and the ...of the Nederlandse Spoorwegen articles.
• The history of trains in the Netherlands is so tightly interwoven with that of the NS that an article on the history on the NS would almost duplicate it.
• After the significance of each unit has been established in the background story, the list can be condensed. Details can be moved to separate articles which can be expanded to contain more detailed info on where they were built, and when, by whom, what the technological predecessors were, and if they have any heritage.
• Some parts of the article are out of date. For example, some koplopers have already been welded shut, while a few will remain operational.
• Photographs? Side-by-side comparisons between a unit and it's predecessor?

Just a few ideas, Shinobu (talk) 18:26, 23 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see the point of this page at all - if it's mean to be a Nederlandse Spoorwegen stock list then it's got the wrong name. If it's meant to be Rail transport in the Netherlands then it's not great. As for rail history - yes up to privatisation the rail history of the Netherlands is very much that that of NS. However post privatisation there are many new operators who warrant a mention. Veolia Transportation ACTS, Railion etc... Railwayfan2005 (talk) 22:52, 24 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I propose removing the sections refering to the French certification & approval process and the Eschede train disaster, as these issues are neither relevant to the Dutch train network, nor to rolling stock utilized in the Netherlands.

My arguments:

• While the eddy current brake side effects are also prominent on Dutch railways, the mentioned "clash of cultures" between German and French authorities is completely unrelated to the NS.
• The train involved in the Eschede Disaster was an ICE 1 (Class 401) while the ICE International has always been served with ICE 3 units (Siemens Velaro). These trains utilize a completely different traction concept, are manufactured by a different manufacturing consortium and do not incoporate the rubber dampening wheel rim system which was a detrimental cause in the disaster. These issues can be read separately in the respective articles. Furthermore, as Eschede is located in Germany, I fail to see the relevance once more to the Dutch rail system.

Theharpguy (talk) 10:46, 20 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, about the EMU's "in use": as from the start of the 2013 timetable, mid-December 2012, the Benelux train (Amsterdam-The Hague-Rotterdam-Antwerp-Brussels) had been discontinued. The "high-speed shuttle trains (last bullet in the list) have finally started running in regular service, see V250_(train). Regards, MartinD (on the Dutch Wikipedia) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.169.125.23 (talk) 14:24, 1 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Should the title of this article be changed to be "List of ..."? RJFJR (talk) 12:15, 30 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. It's clearly a list. I'd say go ahead and be bold.ExcitedEngineer (talk) 19:03, 9 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

List of trains in the Netherlands#Steam locomotives. Where does 7742 fit in??? UI remamber peraonally that there was a steam locomotive nicknamed~"Bello" on the Utrecht Baarn run until some time after WW II when the line was electrified. Peter Horn User talk 17:35, 19 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Erik Baas: Can you give an answer to my question? Peter Horn User talk 22:46, 20 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

7742 ran between Alkmaar and Bergen aan Zee (1932-1955): [1]. There have been many more locs with the nickname "Bello". - Erik Baas (talk) 14:14, 20 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]