Not sure where to add this, so hopefully someone can help here. On Friday 22 March the 1970s-themed UK radio station Smooth 70s played this album in its entirety to celebrate the 40th anniversary of its release. It is quite rare for a radio station to play an album in its entirety, and the event was publicised, so I guess it's worth a mention here. Check out the story below, and as always add any thoughts. Cheers Paul MacDermott (talk) 14:17, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

• "The Dark Side of the Moon for Smooth 70s". Radio Today. 21 March 2013. Retrieved 25 March 2013.

I've come across the phrase "The dark side of the moon" meaning insanity only in one instance prior to the release of the album, in Alfred Hitchcock's film The Wrong Man. Two questions:

• Was it a common phrase to refer to insanity prior to the album?
• If not, did the inspiration for the title come from the Hitchcock film?

Grutness...wha? 14:28, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

I have noticed that the only ganre that this album is classified as is "Progressive Rock".

I believe that there is another music genre that should be added to the info. I believe that this album also falls into the category of "Psyechedelic Rock".

I believe that Psychedelic rock is more symbolic of the over-all musical style than Progressive rock.

This album contains many elements of psychedelic rock. There are a lot of effects used on the album such as flanger, some instruments are put through a Leslie speaker and there is a lot of music atmosphere.

I wish to form a consensus and have Psyechedelic rock added to the info box. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alex Mirabella (talk • contribs) 22:55, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

According to Oxford Dictionary synthesizer is spelled with a z not a second s. I´d be much obliged if a correction could be made. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Theking2 (talk • contribs) 00:37, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Then fix it, if you feel it's needed. 138.162.8.57 (talk) 15:02, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

He's right, I always assumed there are two spellings but the OED lists only one. I'll make the change. Parrot of Doom 22:33, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

On June 1st, 2013, the Orchestre Symphonique du Conservatoire de la Monteregie played a rousing tribute to the album with a 31-piece orchestra and 100-member choir. The arrangement by Peter Brennan was performed for the 1st time in the province of Quebec, Canada. Festival Classica hosted the event at it's annual music festival in Saint-Lambert. ^[1] TrumpetMan25 (talk) 00:31, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

Our article states: Mason created a rough version of "Speak to Me" at his home, before completing it in the studio.

This is a problem, because Roger Waters long ago revealed it was he who created "Speak to Me", and gave the credit to Mason as a gift, to share the songwriting royalties more equally. Can anybody find that quote from Waters?

There is no citation for this statement, either.

--Ben Culture (talk) 22:06, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

• I think it's cited in Schaffner, but my copy had an accident with a bowl of water about 15 years ago. Yeepsi has a copy. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 10:01, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

I'll try to dig up my copy, but it'll be Monday or so before I get to it. Best, yeepsi (Talk tonight) 10:08, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

I notice a slow burning edit war going on. Using this diff as the main point of contention, I can offer the following third opinion on stuff:

• Receiving 43rd place on Rolling Stone magazine's poll in 2012 - I prefer something like (but not the same as) Akdrummer75's edit. We've mentioned "greatest albums of all-time" too many times in this paragraph as it is. I would go with something like "It was awarded the same position in 2012." Unless this award is of paramount importance for a non-fan to understand why the album is important, keep it simple.

• Wikilinks for personnel - go with Parrot of Doom's edit. The only contentious point for a link is the VCS3 (most people know what a guitar is, and probably what a bass guitar is, but not what a VCS3 is), but that is wikilinked earlier in the prose and in the image, so it is correct per WP:OVERLINK not to do so here.

• Credits for CD re-release. Find the CD source and use {{cite album-notes}} to cite them, including serial number and page in the booklet, then they can go in. Featured articles should not have anything less than perfect source formatting, let alone having {{citation needed}} tags, and it is a legitimate act of stewardship, not ownership to remove unsourced material. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 09:31, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

• I actually didn't add the first edit in question, that was Progrockdude.

• "most people know what a guitar is" cannot be used as an excuse to not have the wikilinks. What if this is the first album-focused Wikipedia page a person is visiting? What if they have never seen or learned about any of these instruments before? You have to give people the benefit of the doubt. Besides, the wikilinks don't hurt anything. They can only help. I don't see the problem with adding them. Also, as I've already mentioned, this contradicts the stated views of both you and Parrot (although you seemed to have changed your mind, which I appreciate), which is that the credits should only come from the original vinyl release. If that were so then the Lead Vocals part of the Track Listing section shouldn't exist, as Wright, Gilmour, and Waters were simply credited with vocals on the original album. And actually, that's how the credits read on the 2011 Remaster as well, so a source(s) needs to be added to that table.

• WP:NOCITE states, "If a claim is doubtful but not harmful, use the ^{[citation needed]} template, which will add an inline tag, but remember to go back and remove the claim if no source is produced within a reasonable time." "If a claim is doubtful and harmful, remove it from the article. You may want to move it to the talk page and ask for a source, unless it is very harmful or absurd, in which case it should not be posted to the talk page either. Use your common sense." The edits Parrot deleted were clearly not harmful, and therefore should not have been deleted. WP:NOCITE gives no exceptions about keeping unsourced material for FA's. The criteria itself for FA's does not say, "There should be no cn tags."

You have also noticeably left out another of the disputed edits. The following sentence is clearly a run-on: "The new material was performed live, in the same order in which it would eventually be recorded, but obvious differences between the live version, and the recorded version released a year later, included the lack of synthesizers in tracks such as "On the Run", and Bible readings that were later replaced by Clare Torry's non-lexical vocables on "The Great Gig in the Sky".[15]"

My edit split that into two, thereby eliminating a run-on sentence: "The new material was performed live, in the same order in which it would eventually be recorded. However, there were obvious differences between the live version, and the recorded version released a year later, including the lack of synthesizers on tracks such as "On the Run", and Bible readings that were later replaced by Clare Torry's non-lexical vocables on "The Great Gig in the Sky".[15]" That's just common sense. And yet it was reverted. Akdrummer75 (talk) 22:23, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

Chris Thomas said that there were no disputes between Roger and Dave about the wet/dry mix. However, if you listen to the Early Mix of Dark Side, then "Money" clearly stands out as having definitely more echo and reverb than in the finished version (plus guitar parts that were left off as well). Could this be an indication of different mixing approaches? 89.204.154.74 (talk) 10:49, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

http://www.infodisc.fr/Album_P.php (look under the drop down menu for PINK FLOYD) has Dark Side at number 1 in 1973, which seems much more likely than 94 considering their usual sales in France. 105.227.67.99 (talk) 14:19, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

94 does seem odd but I'm no expert on international music charts. Perhaps someone else can shine some light on this? Parrot of Doom 14:33, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

Can somebody explain to me where the current credits in "Personnel" come from? The FAQ above, which correlates to my own understanding, is that we use the credits on the original sleeve notes - however, as I read it now there are several credits I'm not familiar with. Why do "lap steel guitar" and "pedal steel guitar" warrant separate entries? Why is "farfisa organ" in lower case and "Hammond Organ" in upper case and wikilinked (to a redirect term)? IMHO this section does not meet the FA guidelines for prose as I look at it. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 14:07, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

People keep adding chaff and I can't keep up with it. I suggest just reverting back to whatever was there following the article's FAC, that list will almost certainly be identical to the sleeve notes. Parrot of Doom 18:12, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

I reverted to a version around the time of the FAC, and cleaned it up to reflect exactly the sleeve I have here (Mobile Fidelity OMR release), which should be identical to the original. Parrot of Doom 09:20, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. There are scans of the original LP art over the net, and first one I looked at here seems to have no obvious differences from the original vinyl release. I have a copy of that, but it's stuffed away in a cupboard behind a pile of junk. As I've said elsewhere, people keep changing genres in infoboxes to their "favourite" version in album articles all over the place, and it drives me nuts as well. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 13:25, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

Something I find intensely irritating is people's insistence that drums are somehow separate from percussive instruments. Parrot of Doom 13:46, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

They can be, if you have something like Santana or T. Rex where different members play kit-based drums and hand-based congas or timbales. But the real issue is that we don't conduct original research on these things, but defer to how official and reliable documentation on the band deals with it. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 14:11, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

I don't know how to do this or how to source it, but there should probably be some sort of note in the track listing that some CD editions combine "Speak To Me" and "Breathe" into a single track — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.13.67.240 (talk) 08:25, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

• If nothing since the featured article review four years ago picked it up, it's probably irrelevant trivia, which is why you can't find a source. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 15:28, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

Okay, I brought this up over a year ago, and nobody seemed to care either way. Now the problem is worse.

Mason received a rare solo composing credit for "Speak to Me". NOW we have an nb here which says Mason is responsible for most of the sound effects used on Pink Floyd's discography. with no source. It isn't true. I don't think even Mason himself would go so far as to say that! The cited sources (Schaffner, and Mason himself) only confirm that Mason received credit for the piece. The nb was snuck in there after the citations.

Sure, Mason has allowed people to believe he created "Speak to Me", and claimed the same thing about the sound effects on Momentary Lapse, after David Gilmour admitted Mason had not played drums on the album "at all, really".

Roger Waters created the sound collage called "Speak to Me". He then gave the copyright to Nick Mason as a gift. Which he came to regret, and has said so on the record.

Our "Speak to Me" article acknowledges this with two sources. Waters is very specific:

"God, I resent giving that to him now,” Waters said. “'Cause he had nothing to do with it... It was like a gift. It was all right at the time."

https://music.yahoo.com/blogs/stop-the-presses/pink-floyd-dark-side-40-years-later-40-205227757.html

Waters: "I thought the album needed some kind of overture and I fiddled around with the heartbeat, the sound effects and Clare Torry screaming until it sounded right." Waters has often said he gave the credit as a gift to Nick Mason - an account supported by Gilmour - though, after his relations with the band curdled, he came to express bitter regret for his generosity.

http://utopia.knoware.nl/users/ptr/pfloyd/interview/dark4.html

Since I brought this up over a year ago and nobody has said a word, I'm taking this Nick Mason myth out.

--Ben Culture (talk) 12:32, 25 September 2014 (UTC)

The Mason claims are cited to Shaffner page 164. As for Waters' counter claims, if you can find them in a reliable source then they may appear in this article. I have reverted your edits. Parrot of Doom 12:56, 25 September 2014 (UTC)

Shaffner is a critically acclaimed source. He admits he could not find time for Waters to interview him, but Waters nevertheless supported the work. The best counter claim beyond that would be Glenn Povey's "Echoes", but I think that's the same. We go with verifiability, not truth. (Just for having a giraffe, I found my copy of Cliff Jones "Echoes", the Daily Mail of Pink Floyd sources, so full of errors that Gilmour had to sue him. I thought of citing something from it, but that would technically be vandalism.) Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 14:18, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

Well, as a Brit, I always thought the British spelling was "synthesiser", but I've now been reverted twice. Am I wrong? Now I'm curious.

"Synthesiser" makes sense to me because it comes from "synthesise", and surely we agree that "synthesise" is the standard British spelling, not synthesize? (eg realize/realise, analyze/analyse, organise/organize - see American_and_British_English_spelling_differences#-ise.2C_-ize_.28-isation.2C_-ization.29). Sources: [1], [2].

It is a fairly modern word and does not appear in the Oxford English Dictionary and almost certainly did not exist when spellings were not standardised. Parrot of Doom 12:22, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

Is the OED the final word on what word Wikipedia uses? What about other sources that contradict it? (Genuine question.)

What do you mean by "fairly modern" - 'synthesise' or 'synthesize'? Would you contend that 'synthesise' is spelled with a z in modern British English too? Popcornduff (talk) 12:44, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

This is a British English article and it should therefore use British English. As far as I'm concerned, if it isn't in the OED then it doesn't exist. As for synthesise, that is also a word that does not exist. Parrot of Doom 14:08, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

I'm confused.

Yes, this article should be written in British English. We agree on that; I'm only proposing this change because I was under the impression that "synthesiser" was the British spelling.

Is your position that the OED is the ultimate source for British English Wikipedia style? Can you back that up with a Wikipedia guideline or is that only, as you say, as far as you're concerned?

It sounds like you're basically endorsing Oxford spelling. I didn't know about this, but according to the Wiki article, OED actually uses "ize" rather than "ise" for words like "realise/realize", "finalise/finalize" etc. Presumably that's why it's spelled "synthesizer" in the OED, which other dictionaries and British style guides don't. So if you're arguing in favour of following OED, shouldn't we change all the other "ise" verbs in this article to "ize", as well? Popcornduff (talk) 16:38, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

The OED lists "realise" as a form of "realize". It does not do the same for synthesiser, which, unlike "realise", does not even have a redirect. I'm sure you understand how "ize" and "ise" came about so I won't bore you with that, but synthesizer is a modern word and does not possess the same qualities as "realize". Parrot of Doom 09:13, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

According to the Cambridge Dictionary, "UK usually synthesiser". Radiopathy •talk• 17:15, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

Also, Google "BBC synthesiser" at google.co.uk Radiopathy •talk• 17:51, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

Then do the same for "BBC synthesizer". (In fact, wrapping the second word in quotes in both cases is better) Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:06, 26 October 2014 (UTC)

The article states in the "Packaging" section that the colours of the spectrum should be in opposite order: "An actual prism would exhibit a continuous spectrum with no defined boundaries between colours, the colours in the opposite order and colour separation would be present inside the prism." The picture of the album cover shows red on top which is physically correct (compare prism). Therefore, this part of the sentence should be removed. Brogdan (talk) 21:44, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

Not knowing much about prisms, I tend to agree. In fact I don't see why an explanation is even required, so if nobody objects I'll remove it shortly. Parrot of Doom 00:05, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

I'd like to propose the following changes to the Sales section:

• It fails to mention that The Dark Side of the Moon is the album with most charted weeks in the history of the Billboard 200 chart.
• The number of non-consecutive weeks on the Billboard 200 chart is out of date. It is listed as 881, but by 10 January 2015 The Dark Side of the Moon had enjoyed 893 non-consecutive weeks on the Billboard 200 chart since its release.<ref name="pfbboard">{{Citation | url = {{BillboardURLbyName|artist=pink floyd|chart=Billboard 200}} | title = Pink Floyd ''Billboard'' 200 charting history| publisher = Billboard | accessdate=10 January 2015}}</ref>
• It may be worth noting that as a result of discounted pricing in the Google Play store, the album re-entered the chart at number thirteen on 20 December 2014 having moved more than 38,000 album equivalent units.<ref name="pfbboard1">{{Citation | url = http://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/chart-beat/6405630/billboard-200-chart-moves-pink-floyds-dark-side-returns-to-top | title = Billboard 200 Chart Moves: Pink Floyd's ''Dark Side'' Returns to Top 20| publisher = Billboard | accessdate=1 January 2015}}</ref>

Jimbilsborough (talk) 16:01, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

So long as the sources used are reliable I have no issues with this. Sales figures are bound to change over time, my only stipulation is that we be careful when writing authoritative statements like "world's second best selling" or similar, since they're contentious. Be careful also to keep things in focus - it may be more important to Billboard than DSotM that the album has the most charted weeks in that chart. Parrot of Doom 10:58, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

Well when it comes to chart performance, I'd think Billboard itself is a pretty reliable source. Sales figures DO change over time of course, but DSOTM is so far out in front ( a significant fact in itself) that any claims of "most" or "best selling" are safe for years to come - nothing is going to change imminently, except for the absolute number of weeks (which IS currently out-of-date). And with respect, I'm sure Billboard doesn't care who has the longest charting album - but it's a credit to DSOTM and the band that this album does hold that particular accomplishment. Jimbilsborough (talk) 04:56, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

As pointed out with this edit multi-track recording by itself was not advanced for 1973. Even the 16-track recording utilized for the album was not advanced for the time. 16-track recording had been available since the late 1960s and by 1972, 24-track and even 32-track recorders were in use. Limited to 16 tracks, it was necessary to make reduction mixes to free up additional tracks for overdubs, a technique used by the Beatles at Abbey Road studios since 1966, as was the use of tape loops.

This subject was previously discussed at Talk:The Dark Side of the Moon/Archive 4#"advanced recording techniques" with no conclusion. Piriczki (talk) 15:53, 4 June 2015 (UTC)

Discussion

I think both the original and 2003 reissue covers should be included. They are both significant enough to be documented in sources, and indeed the background into the later remake is covered in the article as an activity in its own right. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 11:31, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

According to the infobox guideline on alternate covers, an alternate cover can be included if it is either:

• "Widely distributed and/or has replaced the original [cover]" (the 2003 anniversary reissue has not done that since the subsequent reissues this article discusses were released with the original cover)
• "The subject of sourced critical commentary" (there's no critical commentary on the alternate cover in the article, just a description of it and a quote from the designer, which are unsourced)
• or "is significantly different from the original ... Covers that are essentially similar, despite differences in colouring, poses, text, etc, should not be included" (both are essentially similar) Dan56 (talk) 20:46, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

Vote

• Remove because it does not meet the criteria at Template:Infobox album#Template:Extra album cover. Dan56 (talk) 20:46, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
• Keep - guidelines are not absolute dogma, and if acclaimed book sources have it, why shouldn't we? Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 11:03, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

@Ritchie333: boy, with a statement like "guidelines are not absolute dogma", you – anyone – gets my support, (almost) regardless of the issue …

I'd done some work on this article late last year and was slightly surprised then to see the additional cover. (No major violation, but it didn't seem essential.) Bearing in mind, though, that the original cover was/is so iconic – to the extent that any change is bound to be noteworthy – I agree it is worth having.

My suggestion would be to take the 2003 cover down to the Reissues section and add more commentary there, if possible. The text we currently have is good, but is there anything else: comments in that Povey book or other Floyd bios? from the band members? mention of fan reaction? That's what I'd be looking for. From the AllMusic review: "Original designer Storm Thorgerson contributed a new, subtly different album cover and a 20-page CD booklet that was a scrapbook of photographs and artwork associated with the album over the years." Even something as innocuous as that "subtly different" comment, sourced to a third party, not to mention reference to the 20-page booklet or other elements of the packaging, would be useful to include, because it adds to the significance of this 2003 reissue. (In other words, discussion of the '03 cover could begin with mention that it was "subtly different" from the original, before we give the details from those pinkfloyd.co.uk and Brain Damage cites.) Could be wrong, but I can't help thinking the alt cover design would have attracted a fair amount of scrutiny? JG66 (talk) 11:05, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

Glenn Povey's "Echoes" is the one good source that covers it in detail. Nicholas Schaffner's book is too old to cover it (must get hold of a new copy, though Povey's book seems to have most of the raw facts). Time, however, has pushed Hipgnosis' revised cover into the background when compared to the original - a straight Google image search for "dark side of the moon cover" brings up the 1973 version first in abundance, with the 2003 version appearing later. Any way you cut it, the cover is discussed in sources generally accepted by Wikipedia:WikiProject Pink Floyd as good, and so I think it can stay. I'll dig around for contemporary news reports on the 2003 cover which I can't believe don't exist online, and I dare say Parrot of Doom can ferret something out too. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 11:24, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

"a lovely new stained glass effect cover" appears in the BBC review by Chris Jones. Fairly mundane, but critical commentary nonetheless. JG66 (talk) 12:26, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

From Thorgerson himself (so not third party) but again, with extra detail on the new cover's creation, it adds weight to the discussion: "[The 2003 album was the same music but not the same mix. A different beast, in effect, and it seemed appropriate to indicate as much on the cover by reworking the original design, which was an airbrush illustration with line work for tint lay."] JG66 (talk) 12:37, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

Discussion

I think both the original and 2003 reissue covers should be included. They are both significant enough to be documented in sources, and indeed the background into the later remake is covered in the article as an activity in its own right. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 11:31, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

According to the infobox guideline on alternate covers, an alternate cover can be included if it is either:

• "Widely distributed and/or has replaced the original [cover]" (the 2003 anniversary reissue has not done that since the subsequent reissues this article discusses were released with the original cover)
• "The subject of sourced critical commentary" (there's no critical commentary on the alternate cover in the article, just a description of it and a quote from the designer, which are unsourced)
• or "is significantly different from the original ... Covers that are essentially similar, despite differences in colouring, poses, text, etc, should not be included" (both are essentially similar) Dan56 (talk) 20:46, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

Vote

• Remove because it does not meet the criteria at Template:Infobox album#Template:Extra album cover. Dan56 (talk) 20:46, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
• Keep - guidelines are not absolute dogma, and if acclaimed book sources have it, why shouldn't we? Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 11:03, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

@Ritchie333: boy, with a statement like "guidelines are not absolute dogma", you – anyone – gets my support, (almost) regardless of the issue …

I'd done some work on this article late last year and was slightly surprised then to see the additional cover. (No major violation, but it didn't seem essential.) Bearing in mind, though, that the original cover was/is so iconic – to the extent that any change is bound to be noteworthy – I agree it is worth having.

My suggestion would be to take the 2003 cover down to the Reissues section and add more commentary there, if possible. The text we currently have is good, but is there anything else: comments in that Povey book or other Floyd bios? from the band members? mention of fan reaction? That's what I'd be looking for. From the AllMusic review: "Original designer Storm Thorgerson contributed a new, subtly different album cover and a 20-page CD booklet that was a scrapbook of photographs and artwork associated with the album over the years." Even something as innocuous as that "subtly different" comment, sourced to a third party, not to mention reference to the 20-page booklet or other elements of the packaging, would be useful to include, because it adds to the significance of this 2003 reissue. (In other words, discussion of the '03 cover could begin with mention that it was "subtly different" from the original, before we give the details from those pinkfloyd.co.uk and Brain Damage cites.) Could be wrong, but I can't help thinking the alt cover design would have attracted a fair amount of scrutiny? JG66 (talk) 11:05, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

Glenn Povey's "Echoes" is the one good source that covers it in detail. Nicholas Schaffner's book is too old to cover it (must get hold of a new copy, though Povey's book seems to have most of the raw facts). Time, however, has pushed Hipgnosis' revised cover into the background when compared to the original - a straight Google image search for "dark side of the moon cover" brings up the 1973 version first in abundance, with the 2003 version appearing later. Any way you cut it, the cover is discussed in sources generally accepted by Wikipedia:WikiProject Pink Floyd as good, and so I think it can stay. I'll dig around for contemporary news reports on the 2003 cover which I can't believe don't exist online, and I dare say Parrot of Doom can ferret something out too. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 11:24, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

"a lovely new stained glass effect cover" appears in the BBC review by Chris Jones. Fairly mundane, but critical commentary nonetheless. JG66 (talk) 12:26, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

From Thorgerson himself (so not third party) but again, with extra detail on the new cover's creation, it adds weight to the discussion: "[The 2003 album was the same music but not the same mix. A different beast, in effect, and it seemed appropriate to indicate as much on the cover by reworking the original design, which was an airbrush illustration with line work for tint lay."] JG66 (talk) 12:37, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

Parrot of Doom, this was your third revert in the past hour, and your edit summary is both an ownership and neutrality concern. "The Dark Side of the Moon frequently appears on rankings of the greatest albums of all-time" is not common knowledge as you suggested. What is your problem with citing the source I cited? Is it the wording, the source itself?? It's self-evident and reasonable to think a source is needed to prove an album has been "frequently" named one of the greatest of all time. Dan56 (talk) 15:54, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

Would you agree to leaving how it was originally worded ("...frequently appears on rankings of the...") but with the Acclaimed Music citation at the end? Dan56 (talk) 16:10, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

There's no point. A single sentence followed by a long list of examples is it's own citation. It does not need some link to a dubious page filled with god-knows-what. Parrot of Doom 16:32, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

@Parrot of Doom:. Why are you being so dismissive? Acclaimed Music is the only source that can verify this claim, which is exceptional since it is an "important claims not covered by multiple mainstream sources". There is no long list of examples and nothing supporting "frequently"--there are only five lists of "the greatest albums of all-time" cited, one of which was a magazine readers poll. The other few are lists of influential albums (The Observer and Rhythm magazine) and one ranking album covers. Dan56 (talk) 17:12, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

It isn't a claim that requires verification. I don't know how I could possibly make that easier for you to understand. Should I write it in big, colourful words? Parrot of Doom 21:37, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

Multiple reliable sources state that this album was produced by the band themselves, so I am at a loss to understand why my restoration of the that fact to the "personnel" section of this article has been reverted, multiple times, and without an edit summary at that. It should of course, be there. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:01, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

The personnel section reflects what is written on the album sleeve. This is the case for most of the Floyd albums. I have done this to prevent these sections becoming filled with large amounts of uncited trivia, as is nearly always the case on Wikipedia. Parrot of Doom 16:40, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

The personnel section reflects what is written on the album sleeve It does indeed, at present, but there is no requirement, much less policy, that it do so; and it is not or you to invent them. This is not "uncited trivia", and you should not be removing key, information which is verified by multiple reliable sources. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:51, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

There's also no requirement or policy that it contain whatever you like; your opinion is no more important than mine. You can, of course, start a long winded and boring discussion about the matter and bring in other editors to contribute - I couldn't care less. But as things stand, I'm happy with what's written now and will continue to revert you until enough people ask me not to. Parrot of Doom 18:45, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

Let me understand: you argue that what our readers get to know is limited to what the sleeve designer cares to mention? I would be interest in a producer, and don't understand how that could be trivia. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:12, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

Then perhaps you should read the article, which tells you exactly who did what. And yes, what's on the sleeve is exactly what I think should be in that section. Parrot of Doom 18:33, 8 October 2015 (UTC)

Is the track "Us and Them" not considered a single? 2602:304:CDC0:C2A0:482C:A7D4:897:4589 (talk) 10:36, 27 April 2016 (UTC)

I assume you're referring to the third paragraph which states "It produced two singles, 'Money' and 'Time'". There appears to be a misunderstanding regarding the second single as to which was the A-side. Neither single indicates which are the A or B sides so I think the assumption has been that "Time" was the A-side because it had the lower matrix number but that is not necessarily an indicator of which side is the A-side. In this case the matrix numbers on the singles taken from The Dark Side of the Moon appear to be sequential according to their order on the album, for example:

Track 3: "Time" (48029)

Track 4: (not a single)

Track 5: "Money" (48031)

Track 6: "Us and Them" (48032)

Track 7: "Any Colour You Like" (48033)

Where the A or B side is not indicated by the label or the matrix numbers, the side which is promoted can be assumed to be the "A-side." In this case it was "Money" and "Us and Them" which were promoted and appeared on the singles charts. Piriczki (talk) 13:36, 27 April 2016 (UTC)

What about the standalone release of "Us and Them"? --Krótki (talk) 16:15, 27 April 2016 (UTC)

That is a promotional copy of the "Us and Them"/"Time" single (Harvest 3832). Looking at some other Harvest Records singles, the matrix number usually has an "A" suffix for the A-side and a "B" suffix for the B-side. With each of these singles, both sides carry the "A" suffix. Going strictly by that, both "Money"/"Any Colour You Like" and "Us and Them"/"Time" were double A-side singles. Since "Money" and "Us and Them" were the sides that were promoted, the article should probably refer to the two singles by those titles. Piriczki (talk) 17:22, 27 April 2016 (UTC)

Ah, I see. Well, thank you for taking the time to respond with a detailed response. 2602:304:CDC0:C2A0:482C:A7D4:897:4589 (talk) 20:27, 27 April 2016 (UTC)