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Talk:Josephine Mutzenbacher

Novel name

Is the name of the novel Josefine Mutzenbacher? Grey Shadow 14:06, 23 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

No, it isn't - there's a long subtitle (something like "Bekenntnisse einer Wiener Dirne").

I think it's worth mentioning that the book is banned as child porn is many countries (see the German wikipedia entry). 10:40, 9 December 2006 User:81.86.1.245

"Josefine" Mutzenbacher vs. "Josephine" Mutzenbacher

Hi, I've created the redirect from "Josefine Mutzenbacher" to "Josephine Mutzenbacher", as the former is the proper spelling in the original German language, while the latter is the proper spelling under English translation, such as you will find at Amazon.com and other booksellers offering the English version of this novel. It is interesting to note however, that in many scholarly works in the English Language today, and in fact for the last 100 years, the title has in fact been referred to as "Josefine" and not "Josephine". Why the publisher's and merchants of the English language version differ from the Academics and Scholars in this matter could be explored. At any rate, I feel the English Language version of the article should use the "Josephine" spelling, as anyone interested in purchasing the book will not find an English Language Translation for sale under the moniker "Josefine", plenty of German versions however of course. Negroe Hypothecary Substitute 20:01, 8 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I've just read the article again, and I realize that there seems to be some confusion about Josephine Mutzenbacher's legal status in the German Speaking World. When it was published in 1906, it was a small private run of only 1000 copies because it was banned by the authorities as being "pornography" at that time. Currently, the book is not banned or censored at all. What happened was in the 1960's the book got placed on the "Bundesprüfstelle für jugendgefährdende Medien's" (BPjM) ("Federal Department for Media Harmful to Young Persons") special index called the "Liste jugendgefährdender Medien" ("list of youth-endangering media"). This just meant young people couldn't read it, not adults. I'd like to clear this up in the article. Negroe Hypothecary Substitute 20:13, 8 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Furthermore, in 1990 the Rowohlt Publishing house filed an appeal with The Federal Constitutional Court of Germany to have Josephine Mutzenbacher removed from the "index list", because it was hurting their sales, as books that are placed on the list cannot be sold at regualr bookstores, through the mail, or advertised. The Federal Constitutional Court of Germany handed down what is now known as The Mutzenbacher Decision (BVerfGE 83, 130,) on November 27 1990, stating that Art and Pornography are not mutually exclusive and the novel Josephine Mutzenbacher was taken off the "list of youth-endangering media", so that anyone could purchase the book at a regular bookstore. The court wasn't deciding whether the book should be "banned" or "censored", just wether or not it should be on the "index list" that restricts young people from reading the book without their parents consent. Negroe Hypothecary Substitute 23:00, 8 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

For sure everyone in Germany can get an edition of the book in a regular bookstore and it is on the shelf as every other book. As nobody has claimed copyright in public, the text of the book is now public domain and available for download. --Giftzwerg 88 (talk) 16:54, 4 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Accuracy of the Character vs. Title Nomenclature

Hi, I am wondering what you guys think about the categorization of the Josephine Mutzenbacher article as a "character in fiction" or a "fictional charcter" in the categories. I'll have to check the German and Japanese versions of the article to see whether they place the book exlusively in the "character" categories, or whether they also include it in "fiction from year xxxx" and "fictional novels" etc. I feel the designation soley as a charcter could be limiting, as the main charcter is of course epynonomous with the book's title. Though Josephine Mutzenbacher certainly exists in the consciousness of modern popular culture outside the novel, I do not believe that either the German or Japanese articles have a seperate article just for the character, and then one for the book itself, as seperate. Let me know what you guys think. Negroe Hypothecary Substitute 20:20, 8 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Current & Historical Consensus on Ascribing Felix Salten Sole Authorship

Hi, I've been taking a peek at some historical and modern books written about Young Vienna and the Viennese Modern Age of Vienna Austria at the turn of the century, as well as press releases of the Austrian Government, Museums, and Thesis Papers that all attribute Josephine Mutzenbacher soley to Felix Salten, the author of "Bambi, A Life in the Woods" which of course the American Company Disney made into their World Famous Cartoon Bambi.

There are some news items concerning Felix Salten's Grand-daughter Lea Wyler's attempt to sue the Rogner & Bernhard and Rowohlt publishing houses in an attempt to be paid royalties on the profits of the sale of Josephine Mutzenbacher as well.

Arthur Schnitzler and Felix Salten were friends, and Schnitzler is the only other author that historically is considered "in the running" as being the author of Josephine Mutzenbacher, however in June of last year the Jewish Museum of Vienna displayed an exhibit called "From Josephine Mutzenbacher to Bambi" where the life and work of Felix Salten was on display.

Austrian State Parliament Delegate Elisabeth Vitouch appeared for the opening of the exhibit at Jewish Museum Vienna and declared: “Everyone knows Bambi and Josefine Mutzenbacher even today, but the author Felix Salten is today to a large extent forgotten”.

This article from "Die Welt" claims that on his deathbed Felix Salten confessed to his friend Fritz Hochwälder that he wrote Josephine Mutzenbacher.

I am compiling sources as to the accepted authorship of this anonymously writtten book, and while very early in the 20th century there were some rumblings about Arthur Schnitzler and others, the overwhelming amount of research, both scholarly and critical, ascribes sole authorship to Felix Salten, the author of the beloved childrens classic Bambi. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Negroe Hypothecary Substitute (talk • contribs) 21:10, 8 April 2007 (UTC).[reply]

Karl Kraus's Journal "Die Fackel" Concerning Josephine Mutzenbacher

Hi, I've been reading the famous Austrian Satirist Karl Kraus's journal Die Fackel (The Torch), which ran from 1899 to 1936 and was published by Kraus himself. He was very critical of government, literature, and sloppy language in the press among other things. He also constantly goes out of his way to criticize Felix Salten for writing Josephine Mutzenbacher and changing his name from Siegmund Salzmann, as he was born, to the non Jewish sounding Felix Salten.

Kraus, of course, was Jewish himself, but he renounced Judaism and was baptised a Catholic at age 38, he had a long carrier of anti-semetic essays, and is certainly known as the most anti-semetic Jew of the Fin_de_siècle. He mentions Felix Salten as being the author of Josephine Mutzenbacher numerous times in Die Fackel, to shame Felix Salten as being the author of a pornographic book, when everybody knew him only as the author of the kind sweet Bambi.

Kraus's prolific journal "Die Fackel" is an invaluable resource in coallating information about Josephine Mutzenbacher, Felix Salten, and Turn of the Century Viennese Culture in general. Unfortunately, Karl Kraus had an extremly powerful command of the German language and as such, it is very difficult to translate his work in English, and not much has been converted as of today.

However, if you would like to read "Die Fackel" in German in an effort to contribute to the Josephine Mutzenbacher article here on wikipedia, The Austrian Academy Corpus has put the entire journal online in a searchable format free of charge that can be found here: http://corpus1.aac.ac.at/fackel/ You do have to register, but there is no charge. Negroe Hypothecary Substitute 21:44, 8 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The Pervasiveness of Josephine Mutzenbacher in Contemporary Culture

Hi, I've been taking a look at the prevelance of Josephine Mutzenbacher as a cultural icon among contemporary German Speaking Cultures, as well as those of Non-German Speaking Peoples. The heroine of this novel has endeared herself among the German speaking people across Europe. Josephine Mutzenbacher was recently featured in the Jewish Museum of Vienna's Felix Salten Exhibit entitled "From Josephine Mutzenbacher to Bambi"[1]

The Josephine Mutzenbacher novel was the basis for two continuations, not thought to be written by Felix Salten however, that are still in print today, one called "Josephine Mutzenbacher - My 365 Lovers" and another called "The Daughter of Josephine Mutzenbacher". The original Josephine Mutzenbacher has been translated into English, French, Spanish, Hungarian and Japanese.

Both the original Josephine Mutzenbacher and the two "continuations" are available as spoken word audio CDs, and in 1997 Helmut Qualtinger released "Fifi Mutzenbacher", a parody, on audio CD. In 2000 Franzobel published his book "Scala Santa or Josephine Wurznbachers Highpoint" which retold the classic Josephine Mutzenbacher story in a modern setting.

As well, more than 10 films have been made that either tell the story of Josephine Mutzenbacher, or provide a continuation of it. Of course, most of these films have been dubbed and provided to English Speaking markets, but in that case the original title is not retained and the viewers can not have any idea they are watching the story of "Vienna's most Famous Whore". [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10]

In Vienna, one may go on a "Josephine Mutzenbacher Walking Tour of Vienna"[11], see any number of live cabaret preformances based upon Josephine Mutzenbacher[12], as well as take in some interesting "preformance art" pieces which use the text of Josephine Mutzenbacher intermixed with Shakespeare among other things, and set to live music.[13]

There are several University courses and symposiums which include Josephine Mutzenbacher among their syllabi, both in Europe and North America. [14] [15] [16] [17]

Can anyone contribute some other current cultural manifestations of this 100 year old novel in either European or other Worldwide venues? Let me know. Negroe Hypothecary Substitute 22:45, 8 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Title of the page

Has this book ever been published in English language with the specific title Josephine Mutzenbacher: The Life Story of a Viennese Whore, as Told by Herself? As far as I can see, the first English-language title in 1931 was Memoirs of Josefine Mutzenbacher: The Story of a Viennese Prostitute. If this page is about specifically this work of fiction, I’d recomment moving the page to that or some other actual English book title (but not necessarily to “Oh! Oh! Josephine”). --Mlang.Finn (talk) 18:50, 16 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Censorship

This should really be clarified in the article; as current editions are either vague about her age or increase her age to about 18 to make it "less pedophilic." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.108.17.180 (talk) 19:30, 27 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Quelle: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Josephine_Mutzenbacher