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Talk:Javier Milei

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: rejected by reviewer, closed by Narutolovehinata5 talk 00:51, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Currently ineligible. I should note that while he is currently on ITN, it is not as a bold link, so the article was technically eligible to be nominated. Actually meeting the DYK requirements is another story.

Javier Milei in VIVA22.
Javier Milei in VIVA22.
Addition: there was a split in the Libertarian Party of Russia. Today there are two different organizations calling themselves the Libertarian Party of Russia and using the same symbols.
Group of the regional libertarian movement for libertarians located in the territory corresponding to Peter the Great’s borders of the Ingria Province in 1708:
https://vk.com/ingria_libertarian?w=wall-96624146_1677
https://t.me/Ingria_libertarian/2111
https://www.facebook.com/groups/liberty.spb/posts/2658974337585494 — Russian: "Впервые в истории рыночные реформы будет возглавлять президент-либертарианец, и он же будет формировать правительство. До этого либертарианцы только входили в правительства и не были самостоятельны, проводя реформы";
Russian libertarian channel about politics in Latin America by [Yauheni Juma]:
https://t.me/zhyveliberty/2073 — Russian: "Хавьер Милей - первый президент-либертарианец в мировой истории!"

5x expanded by LALKOVED (talk). Self-nominated at 21:38, 25 November 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Javier Milei; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.[reply]

  • The article has not been expanded fivefold on that date, by the nominator or anybody else. The nominator has not even edited the article at all. And with its current size, I would say that a fivefold expansion is plainly impossible to achieve. The only way for this article to make it to DYK would be to be promoted as a good article. Cambalachero (talk) 16:49, 27 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]


Italian Citizenship

I do believe the paragraph about his Italian citizenship needs rewriting.

Milei's Italian citizenship has not been given by Meloni: it was acknowledged by Italian State after bureaucratic procedures as by Italian law he always had it from birth. Unlike in the process of acquiring citizenship for people not born of at least one Italian citizen, the Government has no voice in the acknowledgment procedure. 178.19.148.107 (talk) 15:51, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting, that does make sense given the title of the principle it was given under. The problem currently is that the source we have describes it as being "given" or "bestowed" by the current PM. Maybe if we have a source that describes it that way we could do a quick re-write? Squatch347 (talk) 17:57, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Rephrased: Since his grandfather descended from Calabriain Southern Italy, during his presidency as President of Argentina he applied for Italian citizenship for jus sanguinis and received it under the government of prime Minister Giorgia Meloni in December 2024 Hitiste2023 (talk) 11:05, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Definition of Milei as Argentinian and Italian in the intro

The fact that he is an Italian citizen must be mentioned at the beginning of the page as follows: “ Javier Gerardo Milei (born 22 October 1970) is an Argentine and Italian economist and politician who has served as President of Argentina since 2023.”

He applied spontaneously to obtain Italian nationality through jus sanguinis. Therefore, even if he is currently the head of state of another country, his status as an Italian citizen must be acknowledged upfront in the description.

This approach aligns with the practice of specifying nationality for public figures, particularly when dual nationality is relevant. It also highlights why many heads of state avoid holding dual citizenship, given the potential legal and diplomatic complexities.

Historical Reference: Princess Margriet of the Netherlands was born on 19 January 1943 in Ottawa, Canada. To ensure that she would not acquire Canadian citizenship by jus soli, an agreement was made with the Canadian government to designate the land of the hospital as Dutch territory. This safeguarded her Dutch nationality while avoiding her being born as a Canadian citizen.

In the case of Milei, since he applied for and obtained Italian citizenship during his mandate, this fact must be reflected in the introduction of his biography as part of his self-identification.

Ref of Milei’s Italian citizenship: https://www.ilpost.it/2024/12/13/javier-milei-cittadinanza-italiana-meloni/ Hitiste2023 (talk) 07:24, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Italian Citizenship incident in lead

This paragraph about him being granted Italian citizenship seems to be somewhat of a hot potato. It is continually added to the lead and then stripped out, then readded, etc. Let's see if we can get a consensus so we can avoid the small scale edit wars.

I don't think there is much debate that this should be in the body of the article and the current form is more or less fine (imo).

To be in the lead, it needs to be an important event or provide critical context. I'm not sure this does. It seems to have been a minor diplomatic action that received some (muted) criticism. I'm not sure it qualifies as a critical event in Milei's life.

Squatch347 (talk) 14:18, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think the granting of the italian citizenship should be mentioned in the article, but is not relevant enough for the lead. Over 60% of argentinians have some italian heritage (per Italian Argentines) and Italy's policy on granting citizenship to foreign-born italian descendants is quite open and straightforward (see Italian_nationality_law#Automatic_Acquisition_of_Italian_Citizenship), so this is somewhat of a trivial matter. I don't know whether the lead should call him "Argentine-Italian" (as it stands), Italian Argentine (as described in the wikipedia article Italian Argentines), or just Argentine (as the previous terms can be confusing for readers unfamiliar with the subject). I think just Argentine is preferrable in the first sentence of the lead, but I am not Argentine and argentine editors may have a better argument for one of these options. Fbergo (talk) 17:19, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Quelle: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Javier_Milei