Talk:J. Cleaveland Cady/GA1
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Reviewer: Unexpectedlydian (talk · contribs) 17:18, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
Hello! I'll be reviewing this article using the table below. Comments will follow shortly. Please let me know if you have any questions at any time! Unexpectedlydian♯4talk‽ 17:18, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
- Hey @Rublamb, I've spent some time starting a source spot-check and a reliability check. This is a really interesting article, so thank you for all your work on it. I wonder if you'd like to take a look at my comments so far before I go any further with the review? Conscious there are a lot of sources and citations and I want to make sure you agree with my suggestions. Let me know what you think! Unexpectedlydian♯4talk‽ 20:15, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
- @Unexpectedlydian: I don't have a problem working through your comments and making corrections. (I will get started shortly). This was one of my early articles and probably can use some cleanup; I appreciate your time on this. I suspect I might have been more flexible on some online sources back then, and will gladly take a look. I know that Daytonian in Manhattan consists of academic-quality articles with citations so that we don't have to worry about it. Sorry that some citation links are dead; all were fine back when I posted it for GA review but that was months ago. I will go through and fix any others that I find. In general, I don't see an issue with using an article on a church's website as a source for basic facts on a church building. One way to look at it is that the church's website is secondary as it is not by Cady or anyone involved in the church's construction. Also, WP:PRIMARYNOTBAD and [WP:PRIMARYCARE]] indicate that sources such as these may be the best source for specific facts. That being said, I will see if there is something else out there. Almost all of his projects were written up in professional magazines. These journals are mostly digitized but not indexed, so it is time-consuming to go through each issue but it is doable. Newspapers.com and the NY Times may be another option. I will get to it! Again, thanks for taking this on. Rublamb (talk) 20:49, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for this, very happy to go consider the sources within this context. Unexpectedlydian♯4talk‽ 20:04, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- @Unexpectedlydian: I have addressed all of your comments. In addition, I went through the sources and replaced others that were similiar to the ones you mentioned. The article should be better now, ready for the rest of the GA review process. Many thanks. Rublamb (talk) 19:59, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- @Rublamb Brilliant, thanks so much for your prompt reply. I will continue with the review now :) Unexpectedlydian♯4talk‽ 20:04, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- @Rublamb Thanks for bearing with me as I finished the review. Initial review is now complete. Hopefully my suggestions are self-explanatory. Do let me know if you have any questions! Unexpectedlydian♯4talk‽ 15:10, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
- @Unexpectedlydian: I believe I have addressed everything. Let me know if you see anything else. Thanks so much for your detailed review. Very helpful. Rublamb (talk) 00:46, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- @Rublamb Thank you for addressing everything, I appreciate the work which has gone into this article! Happy to promote this to GA now, well done :) Unexpectedlydian♯4talk‽ 10:30, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- @Unexpectedlydian: I believe I have addressed everything. Let me know if you see anything else. Thanks so much for your detailed review. Very helpful. Rublamb (talk) 00:46, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- @Rublamb Thanks for bearing with me as I finished the review. Initial review is now complete. Hopefully my suggestions are self-explanatory. Do let me know if you have any questions! Unexpectedlydian♯4talk‽ 15:10, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
- @Rublamb Brilliant, thanks so much for your prompt reply. I will continue with the review now :) Unexpectedlydian♯4talk‽ 20:04, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- @Unexpectedlydian: I don't have a problem working through your comments and making corrections. (I will get started shortly). This was one of my early articles and probably can use some cleanup; I appreciate your time on this. I suspect I might have been more flexible on some online sources back then, and will gladly take a look. I know that Daytonian in Manhattan consists of academic-quality articles with citations so that we don't have to worry about it. Sorry that some citation links are dead; all were fine back when I posted it for GA review but that was months ago. I will go through and fix any others that I find. In general, I don't see an issue with using an article on a church's website as a source for basic facts on a church building. One way to look at it is that the church's website is secondary as it is not by Cady or anyone involved in the church's construction. Also, WP:PRIMARYNOTBAD and [WP:PRIMARYCARE]] indicate that sources such as these may be the best source for specific facts. That being said, I will see if there is something else out there. Almost all of his projects were written up in professional magazines. These journals are mostly digitized but not indexed, so it is time-consuming to go through each issue but it is doable. Newspapers.com and the NY Times may be another option. I will get to it! Again, thanks for taking this on. Rublamb (talk) 20:49, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
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1a. the prose is clear, concise, and understandable to an appropriately broad audience; spelling and grammar are correct. |
I've made a few minor edits throughout to fix typos, remove some ambiguity, and to adjust formatting. Lead Early life Career Projects
Professional affiliations Honours Personal
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1b. it complies with the Manual of Style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation. |
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2. Verifiable with no original research: | ||
2a. it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline. |
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2b. reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose). |
Source spot-check The New York Times. 1919-04-18
Curran, Kathleen (1993).
New York City Landmarks Preservation Commission. 1988.
Brief Biographies of American Architects Who Died Between 1897 and 1947.
Harkrader, Nina E. (2021-07-01).
Continuing spot-check "J. Cleaveland Cady, Architect". Hartford Courant (Hartford, Connecticut). Korom J. JJ.
Garbe, Patricia (February 1984).
Chicago Tribune. January 19, 1878. "National Register Information System". National Register of Historic Places.
"Plate No. VIII". The New York Sketch-Book of Architecture.
J. Cleveland Cady". New York Herald. "Boone Tavern Hotel". National Register of Historic Places.
"The Brooklyn Academy of Design". The American Architect and Building News.
"First Presbyterian Church of Oyster Bay". National Register of Historic Places. Plantsville Historic District National Register of Historic Places. National Park Service. History of the First Presbyterian Church of Ithaca, New York, During One Hundred Years. Sullebarger, Beth; Arms, Meredith (November 1987). I've checked over 20% of sources including those which I have access to with the most citations, so I'm content to stop here. Source reliability spot-check "Yale's Lost Landmarks". Yale Alumni Magazine.
"Ladies' Hall / Fairchild Hall, Berea College, Chestnut and South Main Street, Berea, Kentucky". Placeography.
"Boone Tavern History & Features". Historic Boone Tavern Hotel & Restaurant.
Wessels, William. Trailmarker
"First Presbyterian Church". Pocket Sights.
"J. Cleveland Cady". Landmark Hunter.
"Church of Good Shepherd: History". St. Huberts Isle.
"The Church of the Good Shepherd -- No. 152 West 66th Street". Daytonian in Manhattan.
"Sheffield Scientific School, New Haven, Connecticut". Lost New England.
Just as a general observation, could the selected projects which are only backed up by a potential unreliable citation (see above), and do not have a NRHP, NRHD or LHD status, be removed from the selected projects list? Comment: Of course. At this point, I have gone through and replaced all such sources.
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2c. it contains no original research. |
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2d. it contains no copyright violations or plagiarism. |
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3. Broad in its coverage: | ||
3a. it addresses the main aspects of the topic. |
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3b. it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style). |
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4. Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each. |
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5. Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute. |
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6. Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio: | ||
6a. media are tagged with their copyright statuses, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content. |
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6b. media are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions. |
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7. Overall assessment. |