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https://www.mako.co.il/news-world/2024_q4/Article-a8286ac1075c391027.htm?sCh=31750a2610f26110&pId=173113802 https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/12/14/number-civilians-killed-gaza-inflated-to-vilify-israel/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A0D:6FC0:771:6F00:8CAF:681E:B334:D4BD (talk) 15:53, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The article notes that hamas has eliminated high ranking israeli officers by individually identifying them as officers. These claims do not rely on clear evidence, as there is no documentation that proves an alleged pre-planning of the officers' "assassinations", (hence the possibility of their deaths coincidentally taking place, is not ruled out). On top of that, hamas does not posses efficient itelligence-gathering measures, which are vital for the execuation of targeted assassinations, which is an additional aspect limiting the possibility of such operations taking place. Also, the article claims that officers with the "aluf" rank have been killed, which is entirely incorrect. The last time in which an officer ranked as "aluf" was killed, took place in the 1982 lebanon war. Unconfirmed, and partially false infromation, that creates an impression of hamas executing complex and professional military opertions, is not an objective reflection of the situation. I suggest the paragraph to be re-edited. 141.226.89.87 (talk) 16:13, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. The sources that were used for this paragraph were just news articles about the losses suffered by the IDF. It's WP:SYNTH to draw conclusions about Hamas strategy from it. Possibly these sources can be re-used elsewhere. In case it happens, we should make sure we don't say more than the sources themselves say. I also don't see any reason to use the term aluf. Habaka was sgan-aluf but it won't say anything to most readers, it's better to write that he had a rank equivalent to Lt. Colonel. Alaexis_¿question? 21:19, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

On this and related articles can we have a vote on whether to include "part of the Gaza genocide" or "part of the alleged Gaza genocide" on relevant articles. I'm not sure if this is the place to put it given it is relevant on so many articles but I'm curious if that could be done dependant on consensus. Ecpiandy (talk) 03:12, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Ecpiandy, we should keep in mind that there is still no consensus about it (even according to The Guardian). If there are no sources that link a specific event to the genocide claims, it shouldn't be described as "part of the Gaza genocide," especially in wikivoice. Since you've added it to a number of articles, do you think you can find sources that explicitly link each of them to the genocide accusations? Alaexis_¿question? 21:04, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In a paragraph, it is mentioned that the number of civilians harmed in Gaza during the war is 61%. And that it’s a number higher than every war of the second half of the 20th. A reader of Wikipedia who will then look at the page of “civilian casualty ratio” will see that this fact is not true.

if the entirety of the mentioned page is wrong, it should be corrected. But until then the cited line mentioned said statistic is not relevant and should be removed. Reef Polak (talk) 06:09, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe someone has fixed it already but it now says that it's higher than the average for all wars in the second half of the 20th century. The timeframe is a bit arbitrary and the source is a newspaper rather than a scholarly article or book, so one may argue whether it's WP:DUE but it doesn't contradict the source. Alaexis_¿question? 21:09, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

61% doesn't really gel with the percent civilian column in the table at Casualties of the Israel–Hamas war#Civilian to combatant ratio.

And by the way wouldn't it be far better to use the infobox template for Israel–Hamas war rather than just causing trouble with a box that is practically a duplicate but doesn't get updated properly? NadVolum (talk) 17:23, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, I didn't mean to cause any trouble. I just read the article and immdiately looked for the term used to look up out of interest of what is the avereage. I then saw that the statistics are coherent. I am not even talking about the percentage mentioned. every side of the conflict right now cites something else. I am talking about the incoherency of two pages that are related and appear on the same website. if you read a statistic and use the same source and it gets contradicted, it's just bad for the entierty of the source I.E Wikipedia. 85.250.206.9 (talk) 22:03, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This was added a year ago by me, when there was still not a lot of study on the civilian to militant ratio. I had specified in the addition that this was not a definite ratio but rather a mere estimate attributed to the open university of Israel The Great Mule of Eupatoria (talk) 05:35, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It might be a good idea to include the Israeli name of war in the header of the article. IAnthIsAwesome (talk) 18:06, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

https://www.ynet.co.il/news/article/hjdr3kvlyl#autoplay — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A0D:6FC0:721:2F00:F101:7ED0:CE23:7CC2 (talk) 15:29, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ayman nofal was the commander of the hamas central gaza brigade https://www.politico.eu/article/ayman-nofal-abu-ahmad-commander-dead-israel-hamas-war/ and Ayman Siam was the head of rockets/mortars unit https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-775182 hamas confirmed both of their deaths, the list for the killed commanders is incomplete 108.29.64.228 (talk) 00:59, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ayman nofal was killed before the invasion (17 Oct), when was ayman siyam killed? The article says he was killed earlier than the publication date but it might be on the invasion The Great Mule of Eupatoria (talk) 11:00, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ayman siam was killed with ahmed ghandour on november 14th 2023 108.29.64.228 (talk) 03:09, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]