Talk:India at the Cricket World Cup
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1996 squad
Who is that Mukesh Kumar (Extra man) in the 1996 squad? Some Vandalism ?
Anish Viswa 12:18, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
Why 1996 World Cup is missing in the list???
Hello,
I would like to know why 1996 world cup is missing in the list after 1992? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dhanarajasekarank (talk • contribs) 18:42, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
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Rapid Changes after the Final
Many editors began changing the entire layout of the page after the conclusion of the latest edition of the tournament, which was not needed. This created chaos as references were removed and photographs were not inserted properly. Please discuss before making changes. The maintainence tags have not been removed yet. Also, a gallery could possibly be added which would have the pictures of statistic holders. Pharaoh496 (talk) 15:53, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
March 2024: Changes to the page
@Pharaoh496 Welcome back! There were multiple tags on the page. It was written like a fan page and a commentary without any sources for most of the sections. I have rewritten as a summary for each world cup from a neutral POV with proper sources. For an article this long, I believe, it has been sufficiently summarized.
If you have specific queries, you can discuss the same but do not do wholesale revert because it removes all the sources and the formatting as well. If you have concerns regarding specific content, that can be discussed and it is easier to add content to this (as you have saved the previous page and if anything you feel is required to be added additionally), now that the format has been standardized and sources are already there for the mentioned parts.
For splitting the pages, there is no previous norm that exists to split the pages for World cup performances be it for other teams in cricket or in other sports such as football (unless it becomes notable for a particular event). Only club/team which play seasons are accorded standalone pages. We had already discussed this, if you want, you can initiate a discussion on the WP:IND page for comments. You can probably have a detailed page for performance at every world cup where you can detail it if required. But a summary page does not need any more details as I already believe there is too much detailing in the current version where every match result has been portrayed. Wikipedia is indeed not a WP:NOTNEWS. Magentic Manifestations (talk) 04:40, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
- My point is this. Lets say that there is a tournament every four years. There will eventually come a time when this page becomes too big to fit all the information. A new norm can be created where a country's tournament performance is included. Lets say wikipedia still exists in 2083. Do you think it wont become too long?
- WP:IND has a grand total of zero interested people willing to do anything about this article, and my discussion was archived twice.
- I think currently you have half the match details required, and you have columnised the squad members n good faith but it is not a good look. Similarly, the contracted table design is also not a bright look, and it currently lacks important details.
- I will not revert the change for now, but i want to propose a way to handle this page and related articles.
- For all countries, we have a world cup page, going like this.
- Brazil at the FIFA World Cup etc. This includes an overall record, all wins stats records etc.
- A page similar to Delhi Daredevils in 2012, you can see I have chosen this example as it is a Good Article. What im trying to say is that this system has scope and is much better to record details of recurring tournaments by teams.
- These can be categorised by sidebars or navigation boxes with each page per team, for example, "Australia at the 2023 Cricket World Cup" can include details of the team at that tournament, with appropriate infoboxes as well as pictures and details, per team per edition, and then a "Australia at the Cricket World Cup" which already exists containing a systemic record such as the Brazil example I gave above.
- Other than that I appreciate the work that you have done on the page but would appreciate if you hear this out. Pharaoh496 (talk) 10:35, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
- My views on this.
- The overall page needs to be a summary of the performance with relevant statistics. As I had mentioned before, for a summary page, even detailing the teams and the match wise summary seems to be an excess, leave alone detailed stories which is exhausting and difficult to scroll through and serves little purpose. For the time being, I have kept a short summary of the matches and team roster as I am not sure there is much details about India's performance as such in the relevant world cup pages. Team roster and results can also be simply transcluded from the relevant pages as well if there are such details existing for all world cups.
- I am fine by the idea of creating separate pages to reduce the burden on a single page provided it has enough information to warrant such a page (Again it should not become a fan page or news!). Obviously, now that there have been multiple world cups, the page will continue to increase in size and it might be prudent to split it given the criteria is satisfied (similar to performance at various multi-sport events like Olympics, Asian games etc.). But as there is no precedence on this, you can start a discussion and if there are not much comments or responses on that, you can document the same, assume there are no objections and then be WP:BOLD and go ahead.
- We can probably discuss later on what needs to be in the summary page once the content split is done.
- My views on this.
- Magentic Manifestations (talk) 07:06, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
Gk
How many circket world cups does Indian have 2402:E280:2178:AE:29E4:17B9:11C8:75B4 (talk) 15:27, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
GA Review
- This review is transcluded from Talk:India at the Cricket World Cup/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.
Nominator: Magentic Manifestations (talk · contribs) 05:44, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
Reviewer: Lee Vilenski (talk · contribs) 23:11, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
Hello, I am planning on reviewing this article for GA Status, over the next couple of days. Thank you for nominating the article for GA status. I hope I will learn some new information, and that my feedback is helpful.
If nominators or editors could refrain from updating the particular section that I am updating until it is complete, I would appreciate it to remove a edit conflict. Please address concerns in the section that has been completed above (If I've raised concerns up to references, feel free to comment on things like the lede.)
I generally provide an overview of things I read through the article on a first glance. Then do a thorough sweep of the article after the feedback is addressed. After this, I will present the pass/failure. I may use strikethrough tags when concerns are met. Even if something is obvious why my concern is met, please leave a message as courtesy.
Best of luck! you can also use the {{done}} tag to state when something is addressed. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs)
- Hi, Thanks for taking this up for review. Please feel free to address minor concerns as you deem necessary. If you have additional comments which need to be addressed, I will address them once you complete a particular section/topic. It will be marked as done post the same. Cheers! M2 (talk) 09:45, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
Please let me know after the review is done, if you were happy with the review! Obviously this is regarding the article's quality, however, I want to be happy and civil to all, so let me know if I have done a good job, regardless of the article's outcome.
Links
- Almost all "I estimate about 85%" of the sources are simply statistics based items. Whilst these are helpful, we shouldn't be citing items just to statistics, but actual third party sources that talk about the situation. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 12:33, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
- Times of India and Economic Times are listed as being situational sources on WP:RSP. What makes them suitable here? Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 12:33, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
Prose
Lede
- So, I do have a problem with WP:EASTEREGG links and the difference between the Indian Cricket team and India the country. In the lede you say "India is one" and link to the cricket team. However, India itself isn't a member, simply the team that represents them. On first usage (especially when you link) you should say "The Indian cricket team", rather than just India (also true for all other countries). Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 12:13, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
- perhaps the lede should mention how many members there are - 12. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 12:18, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
- joint second most behind Australia - I don't see how that has anything to do with India. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 12:18, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
- The Indian team captained by Srinivasaraghavan Venkataraghavan won a single match across the first two editions in 1975 and 1979 - things like this would benefit from having the events first. I also think the word "only a single match" would benefit here, as I read it as they won one single match in each event. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 12:18, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
- Kapil Dev led India to victory in the 1983 edition, thereby becoming the second team ever to lift the World Cup after the West Indies - thereby isn't very helpful here as we haven't mentioned the West Indies before this. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 12:24, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
- I feel like the lede glasses over them winning the title pretty quickly, which is (I'd argue) the most important part of the lede. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 12:24, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
- Mohammed Azharuddin is spelt wrong. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 12:24, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
- first ever World Cup - first is plenty. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 12:24, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
- second ever World Cup final - same Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 12:24, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
- India registered its worst ever performance in the next edition, being elimianted in the group stage - how is that worse than their first event? Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 12:24, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
- M S Dhoni is also spelt wrong. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 12:24, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
- In the 2023 edition hosted exclusively by India, the Rohit Sharma-led Indian team did not lose a single match en route to its fourth final and finished as runners-up for the second time. - so they did lose a match then? Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 12:24, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
- Wicket pipes to a redirect back to the target. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 12:24, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
General
Review meta comments
- I'll begin the review as soon as I can! If you fancy returning the favour, I have a list of nominations for review at WP:GAN and WP:FAC, respectively. I'd be very grateful if you were to complete one of these if you get time. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 23:11, 25 December 2024 (UTC)