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Talk:Hiroyuki Ito

Hiroyuki Itō did not work on any of the games I have removed.

I removed some of the credits from the page as that's a different Hiroyuki Itou. One is a Hiroyuki Itou who works for Jupiter where he made Kingdom Hearts: Chain of Memories and The World Ends With You. He is not the same Hiroyuki Itou as this wikipedia page is dedicated to. The other games are a different Hiroyuki Itou as they were made by games companies that the one this page is dedicated to doesn't work for.

G-Zay (talk) 17:51, 8 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry but you need reliable sources for this, and for the first three entries too (I don't see his name in the FF1 and FF2 credits and Square's Tom Sawyer is Japanese only, so it needs verifying). Megata Sanshiro (talk) 00:52, 9 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Is there a reason why those games are being credited to someone else? As far as I am aware there's no evidence that proves that there are two Hiroyuki Itos at SE and that he one that G-Zay isn't a fanboy of is responsible for All the Bravest, etc. And also, even if it's true, why is that relevant to this article?64.149.119.150 (talk) 00:36, 22 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I know this is an ancient conversation, but since it seems to be in question again and there are a LOT of people confused with the reveal of the other guy directing Neo: The World Ends with You, can there be any clarification between the two Hiroyuki Itos on the page itself? It's very clear that there's two of them in Japanese when this one is written 伊藤裕之 and the other one is written 伊藤寿恭, but confusion in English is understandable. Spookiyu (talk) 01:56, 12 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Current work

OK, this constant back on forth of reverting is becoming "Round 2" of the whole Product Development Division 4 ordeal. Hopefully we'll reach a conclusion on this discussion page.

Nobody knows what Hiroyuki Ito's current work is. He could still be at Square Enix or have left the company and even possibly the games industry; nobody knows his current situation. This taken into account, it's only natural to provide readers with what his plans for the future were in the most recent interviews before he fell off the grid. The "Current work" section mentions he's not been credited since 2007 and that it's unknown about his current situation. It then provides readers with what his plans were before he fell off the map.

On another note, Sakaguchi immediately mentions Ito when told the gameplay of FF9 is like FF6. This indicates he designed both game systems. Sakaguchi would have followed up the statement with another response if it wasn't the case. You have to look at the nature of the flow of the whole conversation which is why I posted three lines from it in the reference. G-Zay (talk) 21:32, 26 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia is supposed to provide information, not non-information. "It is unknown if he's currently working on an unannounced game or has left Square Enix" is pure non-information, and so is "Hiroyuki Ito hasn't been credited on a Square Enix game since 2007" (if it was since 1987 or something, then maybe it would be interesting, but not since 2007). As for FF6, it's pure speculation. The word Esper isn't even mentioned once in the interview. Anyway, I have asked for more input on the WikiProject Square Enix talk page. Jonathan Hardin' (talk) 17:37, 27 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that the "Current work" section is largely speculatory, but some of it is marginally interesting content; separated from the crystal balling, his comments from the Ultimania book could be added directly below the mention of his production role on FF13. Given that it's his first producer role, it's not unreasonable for it to be given some extra weight. Of course, all the specific dates are there to stir the mystery, so those can be dropped, but quotes regarding his feelings on the game may be worthwhile. - Vague | Rant 07:35, 28 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
In case I wasn't clear, I'm suggesting that "Current work" be removed as a separate section entirely, with a small part of its content merged into the biography. - Vague | Rant 07:39, 28 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with this idea, actually. We should just end the biography section with the details from the Ultimania interview and remove the "Current work" section completely. I will go and make the change. G-Zay (talk) 18:50, 29 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

"most critically acclaimed Final Fantasy director"

Now you are reaching whole new levels of POV-pushing, G-Zay. Where has it ever been stated in a reliable source that he is the "most critically acclaimed Final Fantasy director"? You cite Metacritic scores (disregarding that I have no idea what "top highest scores" are) for some of the games he directed, and use these to say that critics have commended him? We know you like the man's work, but you are certainly going to ridiculous lengths to prove it. Why is it so hard to post only factual information and sources to go along with it? This is not a fan shrine, this is an online encyclopedia. Beyond that, I agree on the bias of the Sakaguchi comment: this was made before the release of the game, which basically equals the statement to a matter of course. Prime Blue (talk) 00:26, 5 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The major gripe I have with you is that you disregard when I do post legitimate sources but start throwing hyperbole when I don't. I can make 10 edits with legit sources and then you start yelling from the rooftops about "Why is it so hard to post only factual information and sources to go along with it?" and reporting me to admins when you feel I don't. Honestly, I'm not bothered by your actions anymore. I'll add with a reference and if you don't like it then that's tough. If I got the legit reference then it's going on the page. The Sakaguchi statement is legit and referenced. The personal bias you claim is your own personal delusion crafted by the timing of the interview. That's your problem; deal with it. The statement is sourced and is going back on the page. I'll reword the rest of the paragraph. G-Zay (talk) 02:44, 5 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The problem is that you... "slant" everything you write. I don't care what you do on this page, the article's a stub (now a start) so you can only make it better (and you are), but pretty much every edit you make anywhere on WP about Ito is worded to be more emphatic than the original source, and you tend to read things into statements that aren't actually stated. Any given addition is fine on its own, but collectively they all give too much weight to Ito's contributions to everything he's ever touched. Whatever, I just roll my eyes at it most of the time, just remember that Wikipedia isn't about what's true, but what's verifiable - if the source says something, you got to go with it, even if you feel like it's not telling the whole story but have nothing to prove it. --PresN 18:55, 5 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
As I've said, as long as I get the source that directly states what I'm putting on the page, then there's nothing wrong with my contributions. Sure, before I wanted to pass on what I knew to be fact but had no reference due to not finding one; this is what I did with the Square Enix production teams section, but I honestly don't care anymore. If I know info and I'm trying to share my knowledge with the rest of the world through Wikipedia but it's rejected due to not having a source to back it up then that's Wikipedia's loss, as far as I'm concerned. All my future edits will now directly state what their sources say. With this new mindset, I fixed up the development sections of FFV and FFVI where Yoshinori Kitase was getting way too much credit for things that were not even stated in the source links provided. What I post on this Hiroyuki Ito page are things the man has actually done and directly sourced. If it reads favorably then that's just because I must be a good copywriter. The FFVI editors are guilty of far worse in terms of their over praise. --G-Zay (talk) 19:20, 5 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Preservation of legit info and sources provided by G-Zay

Firstly, I'm not G-Zay, but I do know him via GameFAQs and NeoGAF. He's a really passionate Hiroyuki Ito fan. Granted, I'm also a fan of Hiroyuki Ito, but he is just beyond even me in knowledge of Ito's works. I read the Hiroyuki Ito page when it was at its most detailed via this thread on NeoGAF and found it a fascinating article. I'm shocked at these reports that the page was filled with lies and false references, but I do believe that some truthful and well sourced information has been deliberately removed in the corrected article. As a result, I spent a good 6 hours dissecting G-Zay's last edit for sources that were legit and could be verified and then added them back to the article. I see no reason why legit information should be thrown out with the lies. I also decided to add some images to better improve the presentation of the page. G-Zay may have lied vehemently on that Hiroyuki Ito page, but his writing style did inspire and I would like to preserve that style but with 100% truthful information and sources. If there is anything I added that is off then feel free to make the information closer to the provided source. Otherwise, please don't just revert the entire page thinking I'm G-Zay reincarnated. Thank you. --78.151.150.54 (talk) 07:49, 23 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Edits of banned editors can be disposed, without question. The problem is verification that the material is not tainted. So I doubt that unless its checkable on Wiki, it will not be allowed. I'd require proof of offline sources before I'd consider letting anything in at this point because the off-line sources were the materials abused by G-Zay. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 14:41, 24 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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