Talk:Dejan Jakovic
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diacritics in his name
as he is Balkan-born (and Balkan-active) and his name throughout the article uses diacritics, the name of this article page should be 'Dejan Jaković' Mayumashu (talk) 02:55, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
- I disagree - naming conventions on Wikipedia should mean that there is no accent. However, I'll start a discussion at WP:FOOTBALL in case I'm wrong. GiantSnowman 09:22, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
- The fact that such naming conventions could be agreed upon is yet another indication that there're just too bloody many English-centrists and English-exceptionists in English Wikipedia. Cédric Leave it to registered users! =D 21:46, 2 August 2015 (UTC)
- @Cedric tsan cantonais:- if you disagree then use WP:RM. GiantSnowman 11:41, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
- @GiantSnowman:: Thank you. I'm well aware of WP:RM. However, this is a problem that goes way beyond just renaming one page. The thing is: When a group of people, who have absolutely no knowledge of the Serbian language and Serbian genealogy what-so-ever, get to have their say in matters relevant to Serbian names, even the most authoritative Serbian experts' opinions would be rendered irrelevant. And before anyone say anything about "righting great wrongs", it's got not a bloody thing about "righting great wrongs". Rather, it's got everything to do with stopping lay-people from wronging what was never wrong at the first place. Cédric Leave it to registered users! =D 17:36, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
- This is an English-language Wikipedia and the vast majority of English-language sources don't use diacritics. GiantSnowman 17:39, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
- When we're discussing a Serbian issue and there're equally-valid Serbian sources available, English sources shouldn't even matter. No disrespect to anyone's teachers, but this is what I learned in secondary school about evaluating sources. Cédric Leave it to registered users! =D 19:31, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
- He is Canadian. GiantSnowman 09:30, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
- Totally irrelevant. Just because he's Canadian does not mean he can't use diacritics in his name. Cédric Leave it to registered users! =D 16:13, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
- Just as irrelevant as you claiming this is a "Serbian issue" - like I said, here we use WP:COMMONNAME as determined by English-language sources. This conversation is going nowhere, so I suggest you use RM if you feel so strongly. GiantSnowman 16:42, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
- Will do. But please be noted that my objective here is not just to rename this particular page, but to overthrow this entire "ignore diacritics" convention. Therefore, I would wait until my work there is done. Cédric Leave it to registered users! =D 19:07, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
- Just as irrelevant as you claiming this is a "Serbian issue" - like I said, here we use WP:COMMONNAME as determined by English-language sources. This conversation is going nowhere, so I suggest you use RM if you feel so strongly. GiantSnowman 16:42, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
- Totally irrelevant. Just because he's Canadian does not mean he can't use diacritics in his name. Cédric Leave it to registered users! =D 16:13, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
- He is Canadian. GiantSnowman 09:30, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
- When we're discussing a Serbian issue and there're equally-valid Serbian sources available, English sources shouldn't even matter. No disrespect to anyone's teachers, but this is what I learned in secondary school about evaluating sources. Cédric Leave it to registered users! =D 19:31, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
- This is an English-language Wikipedia and the vast majority of English-language sources don't use diacritics. GiantSnowman 17:39, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
- @GiantSnowman:: Thank you. I'm well aware of WP:RM. However, this is a problem that goes way beyond just renaming one page. The thing is: When a group of people, who have absolutely no knowledge of the Serbian language and Serbian genealogy what-so-ever, get to have their say in matters relevant to Serbian names, even the most authoritative Serbian experts' opinions would be rendered irrelevant. And before anyone say anything about "righting great wrongs", it's got not a bloody thing about "righting great wrongs". Rather, it's got everything to do with stopping lay-people from wronging what was never wrong at the first place. Cédric Leave it to registered users! =D 17:36, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
- @Cedric tsan cantonais:- if you disagree then use WP:RM. GiantSnowman 11:41, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
- The fact that such naming conventions could be agreed upon is yet another indication that there're just too bloody many English-centrists and English-exceptionists in English Wikipedia. Cédric Leave it to registered users! =D 21:46, 2 August 2015 (UTC)
I think that since the vast majority of sources write his surname without diacritics, the current title is OK. Yes, indeed he is Serbian from Croatia and his surname originally is written as Jaković, and he also had a short spell with Red Star Belgrade, however, once he decided to represent Canada, he becomes Canadian international footballer and we should follow the way sources write his name, regardless of his origin. FkpCascais (talk) 18:03, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
Update
According to the most-updated official roster on CanadaSoccer.com, it's "Dejan Jaković" — Yes, the "Ć" with the diacritics. Another reason to quit botching diacritics. Cédric SAYS NO to anti-diacritic crusades! 08:29, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
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Jaković an assistant with Toronto FC
Jaković is an assistant to Terry Dunfield. You can see him in this photo.
Tempo21 (talk) 21:08, 4 October 2023 (UTC)
- That photo does no prove he is an assistant. GiantSnowman 11:29, 6 October 2023 (UTC)