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Assassination of George Tiller → Murder of George Tiller – Originally created at "Murder of" in 2010. The article was moved to "Assassination of" without discussion, flip-flopped a few times, and has been at this stable title since 2011. No evidence that "Assassination of" is more prominently used in reliable sources. Per WP:DEATHS, in the absence of a clear WP:COMMONNAME, "Murder of" is the preferred title. 162 etc. (talk) 17:32, 27 November 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. ~/Bunnypranav:<ping> 12:07, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. "Assassination of" as a title pattern isn't really accounted for by the DEATHS essay, which is not policy but which is mostly focused on Killing/Murder as a distinction to avoid BLP issues (which is policy). Given this was a politically focused killing this is the most appropriate title, which from a search sees about as common usage. It's more specific in a way that I think is beneficial. PARAKANYAA (talk) 01:08, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Support per nom. Maybe "assassination" is better, maybe "murder" is better, but when the sources are mixed, just pick "murder." It is unquestionably a murder, and Wikipedia should only move away from that titling when it's a slam-dunk case. SnowFire (talk) 01:34, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisting comment: Can get a few more comments ~/Bunnypranav:<ping> 12:07, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose It’s an assassination Vinnylospo (talk) 22:54, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Based on the pages Murder (Murder is the unlawful killing of another human without justification or valid excuse committed with the necessary intention ..) and Assassination (Assassination is the willful killing, by a sudden, secret, or planned attack, of a person—especially if prominent or important. It may be prompted by political, ideological, religious, personal, financial, or military motives.) I would say that assassination is a correct term here. The Banner talk 23:47, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

My argument isn't that "assassination" is incorrect; but rather that there's no evidence that the word is used by a significant majority of independent, reliable, English-language sources. 162 etc. (talk) 22:20, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Support that while I agree with The Banner that it appears that this was a "assassination", in both the article and it's sources, it clearly says he was charged and found guilty of first-degree murder, and that it specifically did not meet Kansas' standards for capital murder (which is essentially what was above defined as assassination). Thus while it might quack, apparently they specifically called out that it was not chargeable and nor was he found guilty of an assassination. TiggerJay (talk) 04:58, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Whether it was or was not capital murder has little to do with it being an assassination. There are no specific convictions covering assassinations in this jurisdiction to my knowledge. PARAKANYAA (talk) 12:31, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Searching -wikipedia "george tiller" gives [me] the following results:

• AllThatsInteresting.com, 2022: murdered him [...] shot George Tiller
• Topeka City-Journal, 2022: assassinated him
• Grunge.com, 2023: Tiller was neither the first nor the last only abortion provider in American history to be assassinated
• Planned Parenthood, 2019: Roeder shot Dr. Tiller [...] why he thought he was justified in committing murder (the 1993 shooting is described as "an assassination attempt")
• NYT, 2009: shot Dr. Tiller [...] awaits trial in the murder [...] in the weeks since the killing [...] [Tiller] had accepted the possibility he might be assassinated (and "an abortion provider in Florida was assassinated in 1994")
• LA Times, 2009: shot Tiller to death [...] gunned down [...] risky to try to link the assassin’s actions to broader political trends
• "Originally aired Friday, June 24, 2022 on NPR's Morning Edition": (only the parts in NPR's "voice", bookending the podcast) Tiller was murdered [...] years after his death [...] convicted of first-degree murder
• Physicians for Reproductive Health, 2018: murdered
• Center for Reproductive Rights, 2009: murdered
• Lawrence Journal-World, 2009 shot and killed (and "[Tiller] was protected again between 1994 and 1998 after another abortion provider was assassinated and federal authorities reported finding Tiller's name on an assassination list")
• The Week, 2009 and updated in 2015?: accused of killing late-term abortion doctor George Tiller [...] Tiller's murder

All sources, regardless of publication date, stated he was murdered. TCJ 2022 and Grunge.com 2023 say outright Tiller was assassinated; NYT 2009, LAT 2009, and maybe LJW 2009 use related language to describe the event itself. The above lists eleven sources, three of which are not news sources (or have no editorial policy that I could find). Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 05:42, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Several of the ones listed there are not RS so I would not count them. PARAKANYAA (talk) 13:56, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What is interesting is that not a single reference used in the article contains the word Assassination (or it's variants), but most use murder, while a few use killing. This is all while the article is titled assassination. Only three times was it used in the article body (excluding info and nav boxes) versus 70 times in the article body and references. If we want to evaluate RS, beyond just random google results, the articles' own RS pretty much reinforce that murder over assassination is more common. TiggerJay (talk) 03:23, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Agreeing with the comments that this was very clearly (and stated in many sources) a killing motivated by political (and perhaps some relgious) ideology. This man was targeted due to a specific larger agenda. I believe assassination is warranted, appropriate, specific, and correct Wikipedian339 (talk) 20:46, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]