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References

Can we add a references section? "Now I'm all for you like Janet." <-- lyric reference in Taylor Swift's song "Snow on the Beach" from her 2022 album, Midnights. Buffyinfaith (talk) 17:14, 17 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Buffyinfaith: First of all, there is a "References" section. It's for the citations. Secondly, a simple lyrical allusion does not establish enough notability to mention this in the article. It should only be put in the article if enough attention has been brought to "All for You", i.e. it experiences a resurgence of interest/popularity. See WP:IPC. ResPM (T🔈🎵C) 17:25, 17 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:All for You (Janet Jackson song)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Benmite (talk · contribs) 04:30, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Gonna start reviewing this soon! :D benǝʇᴉɯ 04:30, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Good Article review progress box
Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV ()
3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant ()
Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the Good Article criteria. Criteria marked are unassessed

Copyvio check

According to the detector, 36.7%. Good! benǝʇᴉɯ 18:49, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Background and development

  • Summarize last two sentences as Jackson described it as "a very happy album" that was about "the different levels of love"
  • Include which album of this this was for her with a source
  • Also no need to use that ref twice in consecutive sentences, remove first use
  • The "usually listen to older songs together to find inspiration" sentence is crufty and overlong, change Before starting a new project, Jackson and her longtime producers Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis usually listen to older songs together to find inspiration. One of the tracks the producers played for the singer was Change's "The Glow of Love" (1980)" to Jackson's longtime producers Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis played Change's "The Glow of Love" (1980) for Jackson with all pipe links
  • Remove with lead vocals by Luther Vandross
  • Change Jackson did not know the song, but Jam wanted to sample it as he used to play it when he was a DJ, and thought it was a perfect fit to Jackson's lyrics for "All for You". to Jackson did not know the song. Jam considered it a fitting sample for "All for You" because of Jackson's lyrics.
  • Move All the girls at the party sentence to Recording and composition section
  • Change Jam wrote the line "All the girls at the party" after Jackson had done all the vocals for the track, which she appreciated. It originally came in the middle of the number, but it was moved to the beginning after her manager suggested it would be cool if the song started like that. to Jam wrote the song's lyric, "All the girls at the party", to be included in the middle of the song after Jackson finished recording her vocals, but it was later moved to the top of the song at the suggestion of her manager.
  • Change last sentences (During a photo shoot for a magazine ... to After a photo shoot for a magazine at Jam and Lewis' studio, during which she played the song several times, Jackson told the producers that she wanted to release the track as the lead single from All for You and to be her first song released after being absent from the public eye...
  • An explanation for why she was absent from the public eye at the beginning of the section, as well as how long the "extended period of time" was, would be good.

Release

  • Back-to-back use of the same dead MTV News ref again, only needs one at the end of the second sentence.
  • Change and delivered to to and sent it to
  • Move refs 6 and 7 to the end of its sentence
  • Move ref 10 to the end of its sentence
  • Something should be included about when it was announced that the album would be titled after the single

Recording and composition

  • Is Flyte Tyme Studios owned by Jam and Lewis? If so, include that with a source
  • Change It was written and produced by Jackson and her longtime collaborators Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis. to It was written and produced by Jackson, Jam, and Lewis. Remove pipe for Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis
  • Move It prominently samples... to right before Due to the sample's...
  • Remove italo disco band from before Change's name
  • Remove comma after by David Barry
  • Change Jam and Lewis provided to Jam and Lewis played
  • Remove first use of ref 21
  • Move Jackson found it "so beautiful" and associated ref to first section next to mention of sample, remove everything else from that sentence
  • Change For The Guardian's Michael Cragg, the track simultaneously references the 1970s, 1980s and 1990s decades musically to According to The Guardian's Michael Cragg, the track simultaneously references the 1970s, 1980s and 1990s musically
  • Move ref 24 to end of sentence
  • Change , writing in another article for the same publication that it "feels like a throwback to the effortless, loved-up optimism..." to and was reminiscent of "the effortless, loved-up optimism..."
  • Remove For his part,
  • Add a before "sex jam..."
  • Change noted that the track to wrote that the track
  • Shorten quoted lyrics from third paragraph, change to Lyrically, the song depicts Jackson flirting with a man at a night club ("Got a nice package alright, guess I'm gonna have to ride it tonight") but getting disappointed by his inability to approach her and ask her to dance ("Can't be afraid or keep me waiting too long, before you know it I'll be outta here, I'll be gone"). benǝʇᴉɯ 18:49, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Change commented that to wrote that
  • Move ref 20 to the end of the sentence
  • Change wrote on to wrote in, what it to that it, said it to wrote that it
  • Remove comma before as well as the singer's...
  • Change last sentence to Jackson based the lyrics on her experiences seeing people at clubs who were attracted to her but too intimidated to approach her, which she described as "pretty funny".

Critical reception

  • Remove first sentence (no ref)
  • Add comma after ... Clash commented that
  • Remove easily
  • Change part of to one of
  • Change beating heart of the album to beating heart of [All for You]
  • Change swirling to swirl[ing] per ref
  • Remove In a similar opinion,
  • Add "All for You" demonstrated how between opined that... and ...Jackson was
  • Change felt that it employs to wrote that it employs
  • Change For Cyd Jaymes from Dotmusic, "All for You" was a to Cyd James of Dotmusic described "All for You" as a
  • Remove and no mistake missus...
  • Remove noted that Jackson's joyride was "near-tangible" on the song, change and was to described "All for You" as
  • Replace comma with period after '80s-retro collage"
  • Add [from All for You] after to the '70s
  • New paragraph starting with Browne review
  • Change from the same publication to , also for Entertainment Weekly,
  • Change For Cyd Jaymes from Dotmusic, to Cyd James from Dotmusic wrote that
  • Remove comma after "...R&B"
  • Change as well as to and
  • Remove Jackson's joyride was "near-tangible" on ...and (confusing wording)
  • Change both instances of noted to wrote or another word (MOS:WTW)
  • Change comma right before ref 40 to a period
  • Move ref 18 to the end of this sentence
  • Change , classifying the track as to and
  • Add [from All for You] after to the '70s
  • Add commas before and after from the same publication
  • Change from to for
  • Add also before calling it
  • Remove comma before but "the atmosphere..."
  • Change in comparison to compared
  • Add he before felt that

Commercial performance

  • In image caption, add {{tquote|by
  • Remove made radio airplay history, as it (redundant)
  • Remove Lady Gaga sentence (source only mentions the placement of "All for You" on the Radio Songs chart)
  • Change a single that was not commercially available to an airplay-only single
  • Change , as well as the highest entry to and the highest debut

Wikibreak

@11JORN: I see on your talk page that you're taking a wikibreak, so I'm not sure if you're available to respond to the edits I've made thus far. I'll give it a week and some change to see if there's a response and then continue making suggestions. benǝʇᴉɯ 20:10, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Benmite Hey there! Recently, I actually manage to do some GAR edits and incorporated some of the recommendations above. I'd be more than happy to help assist @11JORN in regards to completing the GAR on their behalf. Dcdiehardfan (talk) 22:07, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That's great, thanks Dcdiehardfan! benǝʇᴉɯ 19:41, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Final comments

I'm going to fail this one for now, mostly due to inactivity. I should have been more diligent with having things suggested on time, though I think once the nominator is back from their break, it should be okay to be renominated and I can finish the edits. benǝʇᴉɯ 00:49, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Benmite, don't forget to submit this and any other reviews you did this month to the backlog drive! -- asilvering (talk) 00:26, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:All for You (Janet Jackson song)/GA2. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Nominator: 11JORN (talk · contribs) 01:11, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewer: K. Peake (talk · contribs) 06:33, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]


  1. It is reasonably well written.
    a. (prose, spelling, and grammar):
    b. (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
  2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.
    a. (reference section):
    b. (citations to reliable sources):
    c. (OR):
    d. (copyvio and plagiarism):
  3. It is broad in its coverage.
    a. (major aspects):
    b. (focused):
  4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.
    Fair representation without bias:
  5. It is stable.
    No edit wars, etc.:
  6. It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.
    a. (images are tagged and non-free content have non-free use rationales):
    b. (appropriate use with suitable captions):
  7. Overall:
    Pass/fail:

(Criteria marked are unassessed)

I will go through this today, although it may run into tomorrow depending on time constraints! --K. Peake 06:33, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox and lead

  • The recording year of 2000 is not sourced anywhere in the body
  • "It was released to" → "The song was released to"
  • Pipe pop to Contemporary hit radio
  • Pipe urban radio to Urban adult contemporary
  • "In the United States, the track peaked atop" → "In the US, the song peaked atop" per MOS:US
  • "hit in the United States," → "hit in the US," per above
  • ""All for You" also attained" → "The song also attained"
  • "The music video for "All for You" was" → "An accompanying music video was" with the wikilink
  • "Jackson performed the track" → "Jackson performed the song"
  • "and was later added" → "and it was later added"
  • ""All for You" won several accolades," → "The song won several accolades,"

Background and development

  • "at the moment"." → "at the moment."" per MOS:QUOTE on full sentences
  • I cannot access the Billboard books source, so would like to ask does it mention in the present tense that they "usually listen" to these works or "usually listened" in the past please?
It's in the present tense Alex reach me! 02:17, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • "to Jackson's lyrics for" → "to her lyrics for"
  • "It originally came in" → "The line originally came in"
  • "the hairstylist and everybody involved" → "the hairstylist, and everybody involved" and invoke the ref again at the end of this sentence since it uses direct quoting

Release

  • Merge this to being in the same section as critical reception, as it is only one para
I merged this one with the previous section as from my point of view they go together better than the next one, if you don't mind Alex reach me! 02:17, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • "All for You" is not mentioned as being considered for the album's title by the source
  • "he said" at the end of the sentence is redundant

Recording and composition

  • "Jackson and her longtime collaborators Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis." → "Jackson with Jam and Lewis."
  • Remove overly obvious wikilink on guitar
  • Pipe Brian "Big Bass" Gardner to Brian Gardner
  • Add some more info regarding the instrumentation to the audio sample text
  • Remove italo disco band introduction to Change as you have done this previously
  • "she included it on" → "she included the track on"
  • "have to ride it tonight"," → "have to ride it tonight."" per MOS:QUOTE
  • "but gets disappointed by" → "However, she becomes disappointed by"
  • "what it "conjures" → "that the track "conjures"
  • Pipe Vulture to Vulture (website) and put more of the quotes into your own words

Critical reception

  • Retitle to Release and reception, placing the release info as the first para
  • "considered it "a" → "considered "All for You" "a" plus invoke the ref at the end of this sentence as it uses direct quoting
  • "According to Michael Cragg of" → "According to Cragg of" per him having been introduced previously
  • Remove or replace The Tech per WP:RSSM
  • Cite Neumu as publisher instead
  • "Tom Sinclair of Entertainment Weekly described it" → "Sinclair of Entertainment Weekly described it" and try to put the last part more into your own words
  • "Ed Henderson from Slant Magazine noted that" → "Henderson from Slant Magazine noted that"

Commercial performance

  • Pipe pop to Contemporary hit radio and urban to Urban adult contemporary on the img text, although remove links to any of these in this section's prose as that was done earlier in release
  • "In the United States, "All for You"" → "In the US, "All for You"" per MOS:US
  • [47][42] should be in numerical order
  • "becoming the year's longest-running" → "becoming 2001's longest-running"
  • Mention that the certification was in the US and how many copies it shelved from this
  • Pipe Nielsen SoundScan to Luminate (company)
  • Since you mention the Australian chart twice in the same sentence, I would suggest to use its full name on the first instance
  • Mention the New Zealand chart by name too
  • "In the United Kingdom, "All for You"" → "In the UK, "All for You"" and mention the UK Singles Chart later in this sentence with the wikilink
  • "in the United Kingdom." → "in the UK."

Accolades

  • I would suggest to make the first para of this a sub-section for accolades in reception, while moving the music video awards to the video section
  • The Top-Selling R&B/Hip-Hop Single award is not sourced
  • Pipe Lady of Soul Awards to Soul Train Music Awards
  • "also winning the accolade for Most Played Song" → "while it won Most Played Song"
  • Pipe ASCAP Rhythm & Soul Music Awards to American Society of Composers, Authors and Publishers
  • OutKast → Outkast with the wikilink

Music video

  • Wikilink music video in prose and the img text
  • Put more of Jackson's quote into your own words
  • ""Dammn Baby" (2016) e" → ""Dammn Baby" (2016), and"
  • Second para looks good!
  • "Kovie Biakolo described the visual as" → "Biakolo described the visual as"
  • Put more of the Philadelphia review in your own words
  • "Tom Breiham of Stereogum observed" → "Breiham of Stereogum observed"
  • "said it was" → "said the visual was"
  • Place the video accolades at the end of this section

Live performances

  • Retitle to Live performances and media usage, making the next section the bottom para
  • "to some Jackson's" → "to some of Jackson's"
  • Put more of the ABC News quote into your own words
  • Img looks good!
  • "Her performance at" → "Jackson's performance at"
  • The location of Seattle is not sourced nor is the Rock Witchu Tour
The ref for the Rock Witchu tour is [101] Alex reach me! 02:17, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • "in the United Kingdom." → "in the UK."
  • "cargo pants and combat boots;" → "cargo pants, and combat boots;" and introduce by its full name of the Number Ones, Up Close and Personal tour

Usage

  • Merge with the above section and make this only one para since it is so short
Mmm, is it OK to keep this section separated from the previous one? It has little to do with live performances so I don't think they go well together Alex reach me! 02:17, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Pipe Microsoft Theater to Peacock Theater
  • Start a new sentence at Ciara and Tinashe's tribute

Track listings and formats

  • Good

Credits and personnel

  • Use {{spaced ndash}} so there is the right space between credits and personnel

Charts

Weekly charts

Year-end charts

  • Remove wikilink on Nielsen BDS

Decade-end charts

  • Good

Certifications

  • Good

Release history

  • Good

References

  • Fix all of the dead links using the tool
  • Cite Billboard Books as work instead on ref 4
  • WP:OVERLINK of Radio & Records on ref 10
  • ARIA → Australian Recording Industry Association on ref 11 with the wikilink
  • Pipe Vulture to Vulture (website) on ref 31
  • Remove or replace The Tech on ref 37 per WP:RSSM
  • Pipe Grammy.com to Grammy Awards on ref 38
  • WP:OVERLINK of AllMusic on ref 39
  • Cite Neumu as publisher instead on ref 40
  • Author-link David Browne (journalist) on ref 41
  • Fix MOS:QWQ issues with ref 42
  • Wikilink Teen People on ref 69 per MOS:LINK2SECT
  • Black Entertainment Television → BET on ref 75 with the wikilink
  • What is DVD MG on ref 84 and why is it reliable?
  • Pipe uDiscover Music to Universal Music Group on ref 85
  • ShondaLand → Shondaland with the wikilink on ref 92
  • WP:OVERLINK of BBC Online on ref 93
  • I'm not sure about the reliability of Theybf.com on ref 104 since it is a gossip website?
  • Fix MOS:CAPS issues with refs 138 and 165
  • Add a publisher to ref 142
  • WP:OVERLINK of Music Week on ref 149
  • Wikilink Google Books on ref 173, however why is this not cited for any of the multiple other refs using Google Books URLs?
  • Pipe Airplay Monitor to Billboard Radio Monitor on ref 177
  • WP:OVERLINK of Fnac on ref 182

Final comments and verdict

Kyle Peake Hi! I will be starting fixing the issues this week. Alex reach me! 23:52, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Kyle Peake All done. See above. :) Alex reach me! 02:17, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • 11JORN Thanks for the response, although there are still some changes that need to be implemented. You need to add more info to audio sample, first sentence of reception should use the song's title, change lead part about later added to using "it", change to the UK in live performances and wikilink SNEP to itself. --K. Peake 17:18, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Kyle Peake Done. Please check and let me know if I missed something. :) Alex reach me! 21:21, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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