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The result of the discussion was no consensus. ✗plicit 00:30, 7 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Template:Topicon fakesemi (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Misleading and rather useless. C F A 21:09, 30 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Weak oppose - It's only there for a joke (it quite literally says that it's used for humourous purposes), and I use it to scare bad IPs off my talk page. 🗽Freedoxm🗽(talk • contribs) 00:07, 31 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  OK, but it's not really a joke — it's just misleading. I don't think it scares anyone off. C F A 04:19, 31 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  In my opinion, it might be misleading (when I saw this template at first), but if you're on a desktop and hover over that fake semi icon, it's going to say this isn't semi protected. 🗽Freedoxm🗽(talk • contribs) 05:21, 31 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  It also says that it's not meant to be taken seriously (eg as a joke) 🗽Freedoxm🗽(talk • contribs) 05:21, 31 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per WP:SMI. Gonnym (talk) 10:31, 31 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment It isn't a userpage Ned1a Wanna talk? Stalk my edits 02:46, 3 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Debatable whether this simulates the MediaWiki interface. Aaron Liu (talk) 15:42, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - I use it to scare bad IPs off my talk page. makes it quite clear that the purpose is to mislead. Totally inappropriate. - Whpq (talk) 16:33, 2 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  Maybe in your opinion.... When IPs find the template that it has humour they might just as well vandalise- it doesn't scare off every bad IP. That is not an inappropriate reason in any way, especially when it's not to be taken seriously. 🗽Freedoxm🗽(talk • contribs) 03:00, 3 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose It literally has {{humor}}. So do not take it seriously. Ned1a Wanna talk? Stalk my edits 02:46, 3 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep: It's okay to use things like this as humor as long as they aren't used in mainspace. 174.160.82.127 (talk) 18:01, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  I agree. 🗽Freedoxm🗽(talk • contribs) 22:20, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep: I don't see what's wrong with what the other !voters point out. Adding a semiprotect padlock in userspace does no harm. Aaron Liu (talk) 17:31, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 14:00, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Template:Usage of IPA templates (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused after all IAP-xx template have been deleted. Gonnym (talk) 10:54, 30 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:30, 2 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 14:00, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Template:WNBA roster footer All-Star (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:WNBA roster footer historic (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:WNBA roster header All-Star (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused WNBA table templates. Gonnym (talk) 10:03, 30 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:30, 2 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 14:01, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Template:Saisei band graphical timeline (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused timeline template. Gonnym (talk) 10:02, 30 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:30, 2 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 14:01, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Template:Proterozoic graphical timeline (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused timeline template. Gonnym (talk) 10:02, 30 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 14:02, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Template:Border Gavaskar Trophy timeline (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused timeline template. Gonnym (talk) 10:02, 30 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template was removed from the Border–Gavaskar Trophy page on 7 January without explanation (Special:Diff/1267898377), I have re-added it. JP (Talk) 12:00, 31 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete pointless as a template. Could be converted to an image, but either way, don't see the value of this- and definitely not in template space. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:08, 1 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:30, 2 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: no need for a template, only used in one page. Vestrian24Bio 11:57, 3 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 14:02, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Template:Timeline MediaWiki (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused timeline template. Gonnym (talk) 10:01, 30 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:30, 2 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 14:02, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Template:Timeline of the Artemis Program (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused timeline template. Gonnym (talk) 10:01, 30 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 14:03, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Template:Timeline of attacks on the United States during the American Civil War (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused timeline template. Gonnym (talk) 10:01, 30 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 14:04, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Template:Lang-ku-Arab (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused language template. {{Langx}} can cover this. Gonnym (talk) 10:00, 30 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I think there's a reason why this is still around, see Templates for discussion/Log/2024 September 27/lang-?? templates#excluded templates. Yeshivish613 (talk) 22:07, 30 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

That was a reason why it wasn't included in that TfD, not the reason why it should be kept. It was created 17 years ago and has 0 transclusions, that means the community does not want or need it. Gonnym (talk) 10:32, 31 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:30, 2 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 14:04, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Template:Finn Silver Cup medallists (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused. A different table is used at Finn Youth World Championship. Gonnym (talk) 09:58, 30 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 14:04, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Template:Football squad start2/TemplateData (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused. I've added TemplateData directly to the doc page. Gonnym (talk) 09:56, 30 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 14:04, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Template:FC Ripensia Timișoara squad (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused. None of the blue links are current players in the team. Gonnym (talk) 09:55, 30 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete as not enough notable players play for the team, so template isn't needed. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:10, 1 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 14:05, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Template:Portland Heart of Pine squad (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused as the correctly named Template:Portland Hearts of Pine squad is the one used. Gonnym (talk) 09:54, 30 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete per nom. GiantSnowman 09:48, 1 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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• Delete as redundant duplicate. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:20, 3 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 14:05, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Template:2024–25 Segunda División table (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused recently created template. Its addition was reverted at 2024–25 Segunda División. Gonnym (talk) 09:45, 30 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete per nom. GiantSnowman 09:48, 1 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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• Delete – Per nom. Svartner (talk) 03:12, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 14:05, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Template:2024–25 Primera Federación Group 1 table (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:2024–25 Primera Federación Group 2 table (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused recently created templates. Their additions were reverted at 2024–25 Primera Federación. Gonnym (talk) 09:44, 30 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 14:06, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Template:2024–25 Premier League table (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused recently created template. Its addition was reverted at 2024–25 Premier League. Gonnym (talk) 09:44, 30 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 14:06, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Template:2024–25 Gamma Ethniki Group 1 table (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:2024–25 Gamma Ethniki Group 2 table (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:2024–25 Gamma Ethniki Group 3 table (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:2024–25 Gamma Ethniki Group 4 table (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused recently created templates. Their additions were reverted at 2024–25 Gamma Ethniki. Gonnym (talk) 09:42, 30 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 14:06, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Template:2024–25 EFL League One table (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:2024–25 EFL League Two table (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 14:06, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Template:2024–25 Belgian Division 1 Group ACFF (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:2024–25 Belgian Division 1 Group VV (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

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The result of the discussion was merge to Template:Pie chart. Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 18:05, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Template:Piechart (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:Pie chart (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Propose merging Template:Piechart with Template:Pie chart.
We should not have two templates with nearly identical names performing what appears to be identical functions. Primefac (talk) 09:04, 30 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. The syntax of parameters is different, but it should be possible to convert one syntax into the other. This could be done automatically by a bot, and would make Template:Pie chart obsolete. Another option is integrating the Module:Piechart into the older Template:Pie chart and just refresh it a bit.

We already discussed some options with @Rjjiii. I think he can say more. As I understand, he had some more concrete ideas. Nux (talk) 23:24, 30 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Merging may be the best solution after Nux's recent improvements to the newer template. Anything {{pie chart}} can do, {{piechart}} and Module:piechart can also do. {{pie chart}} is the older template; it is more limited and has several unresolved bugs. There are things the newer module-based template can do, that {{pie chart}} cannot. I started working on {{pie chart/sandbox2}} to convert the older template into a wrapper for the newer one, with examples at Template:Pie chart/testcases. I both transcluded and substed the sandbox2 template in this demo to show the differences in syntax.

{{pie chart}} problems:

1. On major browsers, the chart sometimes "is escaping" from the box.[1]
2. On various browsers (more than mentioned on the talk page), the template renders a kind of crosshair graphical glitch.[2][3]
3. "No labels can be put on the slices themselves." (Module:piechart has a tooltip.) [4]
4. Errors occur when calculating the "other" value.[5]
5. Accessibility problems are caused by the pseudo list (MOS:NOBREAKS).

There are several things to resolve before merging:

1. Module:piechart and Template:piechart are currently set up to expect JSON, which will baffle some editors and will work oddly with the Visual Editor.
2. Module:piechart does not seem to accept colors generated by templates, which editors are currently doing with Template:Pie chart on about 600 pages.
3. The footer parameter is not yet implemented.
4. I recently added TemplateData to Template:Pie chart to see if some of the oddball parameters (like style) are being used in articles. This should generate a parameter usage report soon:[6]

Hope that helps! Rjjⁱⁱⁱ (talk) 05:36, 31 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

As the creator of Template:Pie chart (the older, much more widely used one), here's my perspective. Edited to add: I started writing this comment before User:Rjjiii posted theirs above.

About 14 years ago, about 44% of page requests from desktop browsers were from Internet Explorer (roughly one-tenth of which were from IE6), so editors obviously would not adopt any graph-drawing template that did not support IE. Also, it would be another couple of years before Lua scripting became available through Scribunto, rather than having to rely on ParserFunctions for all calculations and logic. That, in my opinion, made it too complicated to support arbitrary starting angles.

IE8 was the latest version at the time and did not support the standard CSS transforms. (Support was added in IE9, which was released for Windows Vista and 7 – not XP – about three months after I created the template.) Neither could the IE-specific matrix filter be used for rotating slices based on arbitrary values from wikitext, because a MediaWiki security patch earlier that year blocked the use of such filters. Hence the use of several workarounds in the original versions of the code:

• The first was to use border widths to draw diagonally, which required splitting slices that spanned quadrants.
• The second was to use an image overlay to work around the lack of border-radius or clip-path for clipping off the parts lying outside the circle. (Note that this worked for IE6 without additional hacks, provided that JavaScript was enabled.)
• The third was to add code to common.css to work around the lack of transparent border-color support in IE6. (This could use the IE-specific chroma filter because the code did not go through Sanitizer.)
• Also, if I remember correctly (and I may not), using tan in one place instead of sin and cos was yet another IE6 workaround.

Of course, the third workaround was removed, and so was the second. If eliminating the first workaround can be done without introducing new problems or worsening existing ones, I think I would definitely support that. One possible problem area is printing. Currently, Template:Pie chart's legend does not print correctly without "Print backgrounds", because Template:Legend uses background-color. However, in Template:Piechart, this seems to be true for the actual slices as well.

My preference for the name of the merged template is "Pie chart", not "Piechart". It's two separate words, and Piechart didn't even exist as a redirect at the time I started writing this comment. As for the syntax differences, I don't think converting the template to use JSON makes sense. JSON was designed as a serialization format that happens to be human-readable and human-writable, not primarily as a configuration language for use by non-programmers. Pie charts are relatively simple, so let's just use standard wikitext parameters, and save JSON for more complex things, such as map data (though if there are other significant existing uses of JSON in articles, I would like to see them, and I may change my opinion).

In summary, merge Template:Piechart into Template:Pie chart to make good use of Lua scripting and to eliminate the border-width workaround for drawing diagonally if possible. Continue using standard wikitext parameters unless there is a good reason to change. PleaseStand (talk) 07:49, 31 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Try printing or exporting a PDF from Template:Pie chart/testcases. The Lua template (/sandbox2) should print the slice and legend colors now, Rjjⁱⁱⁱ (talk) 07:03, 7 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@PleaseStand Firstly, I want to say that I totally understand your template backstory :). I'm also a dev that worked with IE6, and I did workarounds for IE for years, and I've even run a IE-countdown page for a few years... So I created my module (and template) knowing that I don't really have to worry about IE at all :).

I want to use this opportunity to clarify why I used JSON. I like JSON for graphs because I don't have to worry about enumerating parameters. Wikitext, unfortunately, doesn't support repeatable parameters. It also doesn't support structure (logical grouping of parameters). Unfortunately, the VE template editor also doesn't support groups of parameters AFAIK, so it's also not well suited for editing graphs (for which you typically have rows of data). Probably one of the reasons why new graphs/charts data will be in a separate space and early example shows data will be in JSON. I'm assuming/hoping there will be a better editor for JSON in the future. We already have a JSON editor for structured templates and a JSON namespace; maybe, e.g., a JSON-line editor will be added to the valid types of template parameters. Hopefully.

Having said that, I am open to thinking more about input methods. I think it should be possible to work on supporting a more classical approach even in the module (not just mapping on the template side). I could try to add a second function that parses parameters into a structure that is now extracted from JSON. So both JSON input and enumerated parameters would be possible. Enumerated parameters could close the gap by not only providing a more VE-friendly input method but also solving some final problems Rjj described below too... if those are still a problem. Nux (talk) 14:52, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I've personally wondered why the options (|meta= parameter) is also JSON, when its keys are all unique. Aaron Liu (talk) 03:51, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

That was just out of convenience in implementation. I think I can support both methods in meta too.

BTW. When doing new test cases I remembered how hard it is to change anything in enumerated parameters (e.g. you have to change numbers of all parameters to insert anything on top)... So I will keep the ability to use JSON-like value-label-color triplets at least. Nux (talk) 23:52, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Merge due to messes between slices in this chart. Achmad Rachmani (talk) 10:24, 3 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge vertical/horizontal line breaks it. Alexeyperlov (Complain)

Here is a catch – I edit from mobile phone, and when i see {{Piechart}} it appear without any issue. On the other hand, rendering {{Pie chart}}, Broken lines does appear on each 25% area.––kemel49^{(connect)(contri)} 06:40, 7 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Following up:
  • Achmad Rachmani, Alexeyperlov, and KEmel49, you are seeing the lines on Template:Pie chart, right?
  • Both templates can print.
  • About a 100 pages have bogus parameters that can just be removed.[7]
  • 119 pages use |style= for what seem like odd reasons.[8] Sânnicolau_Mare#Demographics, Remetea_Mare#Demographics, and 110 other pages are trying to line up two floated pie charts on the same line but still allow text beside them, I think?
  • Only 491/9002 (5%) of the transclusions include an "other" slice.[9] This parameter only affects the legend; the slice size is always calculated as if each value is a percent. At Template:Pie chart/testcases#Not_100_total_percent_without_other the older, more widely used template will give an "other" slice when the parameter is not used. The new template can theoretically be used with raw data (not percentages), and it will just do the math. Should the merged template retain the old limitation (at least for backwards compatibility in "thumb" form), or should it be allowed to accept any value?
  • Primefac, I think you have merged many templates. When it comes to the 600 pages that are pulling colors from templates, does the merged template need to support these or does it make more sense to replace these with the color value emitted from the template? Rjjⁱⁱⁱ (talk) 22:08, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

    (To clarify, Rjjiii recently fixed the printing.) Aaron Liu (talk) 22:31, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

    I have not yet looked into how to implement the merge, but generally speaking the intention is to keep the output the same after a template merger, so if that can be done without replacing the other templates, that will likely be the method of updating. Primefac (talk) 15:30, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

    @Rjjiii I think I can implement a second input method in the module (not using JSON), which would work with templates. Or at least it works in my brief test: Template:Sandbox/Nux/enumParams/test. If that was the problem you mentioned I can integrate that into the pie chart module as a separate function that can be invoked with as many parameters as one wants. Nux (talk) 16:32, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

    (BTW please ping me if there is something I can help with; unfortunately topic subscriptions don't work here) Nux (talk) 16:34, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

    @Nux Yes, that fixes that issue from template-defined colors. Thanks! I think there are two more things to implement in the module for backwards compatibility:

    1. The older template has a |footer= parameter that is dipslayed after the legend: <p style="margin-bottom:0">{{{footer}}}</p>
    2. The older template has a |style= parameter for the ".PieChartTemplate" class div. The equivalent for the newer template is the ".pie-thumb" class div. All of the uses seem odd; they use clear:none to put two charts on a line, sometimes with body text. That does nothing on mobile. Maybe on the older desktop themes it made more sense? This would be easy to add, but also maybe should be deprecated.

    Neither of those parameters need any kind of support for the non-floated configurations. They're rarely used for the older template. Rjjⁱⁱⁱ (talk) 20:05, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  I'm done for the day. Let me know if I missed something in Template:Pie chart/sandbox2#TODO. Nux (talk) 00:23, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  @Nux, the default colors for the older template were copied directly from color theorist Cynthia Brewer to prevent issues for colorblind readers (Template_talk:Pie_chart#colors). Mostly, it is looking good. Rjjⁱⁱⁱ (talk) 01:02, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  I don't think it was implemented properly. There are dark colours side by side and then there is a sequence of pastel colours. This doesn't have enough contrast to my knowledge (and I do have a WCAG certificate and professional experience). As you can see on the actual page: https://colorbrewer2.org/#type=sequential&scheme=Greens&n=3 single hue colour schemes are allowed. On the other hand using the same shade of red and green together is a weird and risky choice to me. There is explicitly a red-green colour blindness and you can easily find red-green images that test Color blindness. And default pie chart has those red-green stripes right there in the beginning... Nux (talk) 10:48, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  @Nux (I'm on mobile rn.) Gotcha, then don't revert to those colors. There may be pushback to defaulting to shades of any one color. Would the previous colors be more accessible if the dark and pastel colors alternated? I don't personally have strong opinions on defaults. Thanks for the explanation and good luck, Rjjiii (ii) (talk) 00:47, 17 February 2025 (UTC) Edit: I've just changed Template:Graph color to improve the contrast on the older template. I still don't have strong opinions on what the default colors need to be. On a technical note: 838 out of 838 mainspace transclusions of that template appear to be implementing default colors for the older template, so {{Graph color}} should be treated like a part of the older template. Rjjⁱⁱⁱ (talk) 04:27, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  I've created shorter groups of colors so that will be more colorful. A full display of colors is here: pl:Module:Piechart/test.

  Graph color template is not needed as the module has this built color function. Examples: pl:Module:Piechart/test#Color_function. Nux (talk) 01:24, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  No issue with those colors. Replying again to add a note for the closer: Template:Pie chart/sandbox2 should be deleted as it is no longer used or needed. From the page's history, it may look like there are multiple contributors (in which case it would be kept for attribution), but in this edit it was completely rewritten, so it's not needed for attribution either. Rjjⁱⁱⁱ (talk) 16:27, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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