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This person may or may not have significant coverage verified by reliable sources. Nonetheless, being eliminated early in The Traitors (American TV series) season 3 and appearing in Survivor a few times doesn't make him more than known for just winning Survivor once. (I don't think his Price Is Right appearance improves much, does it?) Per WP:GNG, primary sources don't count as verification of this person's notabillity. This EW interview and Men's Journal interview (posing as an article in prose format) or this "article" featuring full quotes by the article subject are primary sources. So is this NBC article. This CBS article briefly mentions him as winner of Cambodia season.

When I nominated this article for the first time, I proposed numerous suggestions, which may have led to "no consensus" result. This time, I would definitely like this article to be redirected to Survivor: Cambodia. The alternative targets List of Survivor (American TV series) contestants and Survivor: San Juan Del Sur (his debut season) are nice, but his status as the Cambodia winner is IMO stronger than his other TV appearances. Even an article about a returnee was redirected to Survivor: Blood vs. Water per another AFD discussion.

If WP:BLP1E doesn't apply, then how about WP:BIO1E, WP:PAGEDECIDE, WP:NBASIC, and/or WP:BIOSPECIAL? (Failing NBASIC but meeting WP:NACTOR still doesn't make him an exception, IMO.) George Ho (talk) 00:29, 23 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Plus he won once but the show he won and was Fetruared on multiple times is also one of the most watched shows in the world has lasted more then 40 seasons and has spawned multiple spin offs across the globe im not sure how that cant possibly NOT make him notable it seems like the nominater while good intentiond has severley ignored the impact and popularity of the show Wwew345t (talk) 15:46, 23 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The nominaters argument seems to be =wining Survivor =not notable while simultaneously ignoring that survivor is one of the most watched shows in the world the sources cover the article plenty Wwew345t (talk) 16:20, 23 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The only thing the article needs is extra sources Wwew345t (talk) 16:25, 23 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
https://decider.com/2025/01/19/jeremy-collins-the-traitors/ shows that his Traitors appearance also got coverage Wwew345t (talk) 16:31, 23 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Why are you basing his notability on the show's own popularity? WP:INHERENT (essay) suggests we avoid one's notability based on another's. Decider.com is part of New York Post, which is considered "generally unreliable" per WP:NYPOST. WP:DECIDER somehow considers Decider.com marginally reliable but cautions using it.
Reading it, the "article" in disguise is just an interview, meaning I have to treat the source as a primary source, which still doesn't verify his notability.
What about other rules I provided if you still think BLP1E doesn't apply? George Ho (talk) 18:38, 23 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Your argument of WP:INHERENT would be more effective if he was some random contestant who got out early but he wasnt he pplayed 3 times all 3 times he made it to rhe merge section of the game this qualifes him for [[WP:NACTOR]] that was why I brought up the show Wwew345t (talk) 18:56, 23 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
https://entertainmentnow.com/news/jeremy-collins-survivor/ is a source and https://www.usmagazine.com/entertainment/pictures/survivor-winners-through-the-years-where-are-they-now/ mentions not only his Survivor appearances but also his traitors appearance this https://thedirect.com/article/the-traitors-season-3-us-cast-contestants-peacock-photos-bios mentions his appearance on the traitors while also going a little bit in detail of what he did in his 3rd Survivor season I'll post some more links later but there's clearly substantial coverage establishing notabillity Wwew345t (talk) 19:12, 23 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
https://www.monstersandcritics.com/tv/reality-tv/who-is-jeremy-collins-from-the-traitors-us-3-cast/ also describes his appearances on survivor and even brings up the fact that he was notable enough to be voted into the season he eventually won https://www.wickedlocal.com/story/entertainment/2025/01/09/traitors-season-3-will-jeremy-collins-be-a-traitor/77572114007/ while I admittedly am not sure if this counts as primary or secondary since it mentions a old interview he did this also covers his traitors appearance and why he was casted .Wwew345t (talk) 19:36, 23 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thats 4 non primary sources and i could probably find more sufficient to say this article like many othet winner articles that shouldnt have been deleted passes BASIC and GNG Wwew345t (talk) 19:40, 23 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The Entertainment Now website belongs to Heavy Inc., which aggregates news from other sources, like social media ones. This source takes info from Twitter (now called "X.com") and Instagram and interviews disguised as "articles". I'd caution using the source per WP:HEAVY.COM if I were you. Same for Us Weekly (WP:RSP#Us Weekly).
The Direct article was just previewing cast (including him) and the third season. Unconvinced that it's the indicator of this person's notability, despite brief description of his Survivor gameplay. Also unconvinced that Monsters and Critics is highly reputable (past RSN discussion). Wicked Local source republishes a USA Today "article" that primarily advertises (or hypes up) Collins's Traitor appearance, despite detailing his profile. George Ho (talk) 21:53, 23 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The monters and critcs discussion is severely outdated it was almost 13 years ago Wwew345t (talk) 00:05, 24 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
And your dismissing the wicked article for "hyping up his traitors appearance" despite you making a claim that there were no sources that covered it Wwew345t (talk) 00:06, 24 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Wasnt the whole point of the afd because you only thought that the soucres only covered his cambodia win? The wicked local article is a secondary source and is primarily about the tratiors apprerance Wwew345t (talk) 00:11, 24 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The USA Today article doesn't mention his elimination from The Traitors. This "article" resembles a pre-premiere press release, IMO.
Wasnt the whole point of the afd because you only thought that the soucres only covered his cambodia win? How about "primarily" instead? Also, I don't mind other reliable sources verifying his notability, but we still have to be cautious about how sources cover him. George Ho (talk) 00:31, 24 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Obviously the sources willb primarily cover the win as that is his most notable accivemnt however he wouldn't have been casted in said season at all if his first appearance wasnt notable at all i mean the season was "second chance" then his win had to have been notable ennoigh to have him invited again to another season they dont iust let anyone come back and then he would have had to have been a notable enough survivor player to have been invited to the traitors youll note that most other survivor players who have shown up for the traitors also have pages even if they didnt win a season of survivor (like cirie fields) basically what i mean is you dont come back multiple times including in a all winners season if you werent already a notable player Wwew345t (talk) 13:34, 24 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
He wasnt just some guy who showd up in one season got out and thats it he played 3 times never finishing below 10th Wwew345t (talk) 13:39, 24 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. I seem to recall, over dozens of AfDs about reality shows, that winners of major reality shows are presumed to be notable. Then the burden shifts to the side to prove that significant coverage doesn't exist. I also recall that the burden is on those who claim BLP1E. With all the sources and appearances in three seasons of the prototype of reality shows, I think the burdens of proof that he's not notable hasn't been met. Bearian (talk) 01:57, 27 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    I think the burdens of proof that he's not notable hasn't been met. I thought I sufficiently proved he's notable only for winning just Cambodia, despite appearing in other Survivor seasons and The Traitors. (Compare him to another [non-notable?] returnee who appeared in just [four seasons of] Survivor, only one of which he won there.) If disqualifying interviews, like the one summarizing an interview video, if insufficient to prove his lack of notability, then how else shall I prove that he fails GNG and NBASIC? George Ho (talk) 02:34, 27 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    the problem is his notability comes from tv not news articles and that is rhe main issue with people assuming reality TV people aren't notable that's just not the case the coverage is there the sources are there Wwew345t (talk) 22:36, 27 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    There is significant Coverage confirming his notability Wwew345t (talk) 00:09, 28 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    If not just news articles, then how about books and scholarly journals? This book is quoting the article subject; not an indicator of notability, IMO. This almanac is merely listing him as a Survivor winner. This novel refers to some fictional character of the same name, so it doesn't count. Couldn't find magazines significantly covering him without interviewing him besides People, which barely, if not never, covers his Winners at War appearance or his debut season. Couldn't find scholarly journals significantly about him either. News articles are primarily what we got.
    the problem is his notability comes from tv not news articles What you said may contradict WP:GNG, like "independent of the subject" criterion, and possibly WP:NBASIC. "TV" is associated with this person who appeared on TV. The TV shows themselves that he appeared in cannot be used to verify his notability if we're gonna apply GNG and NBASIC here. Reliable secondary sources, like news articles from reputable sources, are the ones we can use instead. George Ho (talk) 00:18, 28 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Independence of the subject applies to personal websites and advertisements is jermey collins a survivor producer writor or director? Wwew345t (talk) 00:26, 28 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Your argument contradicts NACTOR as well as it states that "a character that has a significant role in multipe shows and/or movies are considered notable" he played a major part in 3 different seasons of Survivor and made it far all 3 times Survivor seasons are the same show but with a different cast each season its differnt enough to be considered unique you say he is only notable for his cambodia win but he wouldnt have been on there to begin with had his San juan del sur game not have been notable enough to make him return on top of that he returned a 3rd time this time to a all winners season and on top of that he was invited to play on the traitors which usally tries to cast NOTABLE realty show competitors. Notability is firmly established in these appearances and the sources used in the article Wwew345t (talk) 00:34, 28 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    On a side note (and this has nothing to do with my argument above) i struggle to see how you could say a multi time returnee and a winner who has been on other reality shows because of his notability from said show cant be notable when you created Helen Glover (Survivor contestant) a non notable contest who played once on a season generally regarded as one of the worst ever? Wwew345t (talk) 00:36, 28 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    He doesn't meet the BLP1E standerds he passes NACTOR and he has sig cov from high profile news sources moerver you dont seem to grasp the concept that has been reiterated by me and any keep voters in any afd you make he's a winner of a major reailty show and your questioning how that can be notable based on your opinion and a couple technicalities we shouldnt be re directing pages on notable subjects because of technicalities Wwew345t (talk) 01:25, 28 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    "Independent of the subject" means disqualifying the person himself, his wife, people associated with Survivor (I hope), CBS (yes, CBS), and others associated with him. WP:NBASIC also mentions "independent of the subject".
    Helen Glover (Survivor contestant) a non notable contest who played once on a season generally regarded as one of the worst ever She is considered notable for other things besides appearing in that season. The article was approved into mainspace via WP:AfC process. If you disagree, how about (instructions from) WP:AFD or enabling WP:Twinkle? George Ho (talk) 02:27, 28 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Collins can't just appear in those shows. His roles must be "significant" in order to meet WP:NACTOR. So far, I've yet to see him contribute "significant[ly]" to either Winners at War or his debut season... or The Traitors, and being eliminated from both of them seasons and the other show to me may not be sufficiently "significant" without (to me) proof from reliable secondary sources. Unsure about his The Price Is Right appearance, but even winning prizes at a game show (to me) is neither "unique" nor "prolific" nor "innovative" to the entertainment field. George Ho (talk) 03:59, 28 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    He made it to the merge phase in all 3 of his seasons and contributed to the overall strategy of all 3 that's significant mauve not to you but it is to alot of people Wwew345t (talk) 11:21, 28 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    I dont think youve really seen the show at all or youd know his contributions to it are prolific i suggest watching the show before you put another survivor winner page before you put it into afd with the assumption that people' wont identify just how opinionated your argument is Wwew345t (talk) 11:57, 28 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    i suggest watching the show before you put another survivor winner page before you put it into afd with the assumption that people' wont identify just how opinionated your argument is. You know what? We're going back and forth without compromises. I was gonna comment about general readers unable to afford access to the series, but that won't change your mind much, would it, despite trying to get into their shoes? Let's await more of others then, shan't we? George Ho (talk) 02:03, 29 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Vanderwaalforces (talk) 10:17, 30 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep. The article could definitely benefit from more citation, but there is no shortage of published articles about him to source because he is notable. 00:24, 31 January 2025 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yuchitown (talk • contribs)
  • Delete I'm surprised by this so far - the sources in the article aren't secondary! There are five currently in the article - one is an interview with him (People, PRIMARY), another is an interview (EW, PRIMARY), two more announce the birth of his child and interviews him (PRIMARY), and one is his own instagram. A BEFORE search of him brings up only interviews - the one source where I found other people talking about him did not appear reliable. This fails WP:GNG. SportingFlyer T·C 05:56, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    One keep !vote so far says this isn't a BLP1E, which may be true, but it still does not pass GNG. Another claims that a SNG is met, but I'm not sure which one that is, and the final keep !vote mentions that just because there are published articles do not mean they satisfy GNG. I don't care if this is kept as long as properly secondary sources can be identified. SportingFlyer T·C 05:58, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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