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The result was keep. MBisanz ^talk 00:11, 2 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Halo (Beyoncé Knowles song) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View log)

Violates WP:NSONGS. Uncharted, not covered by multiple artists, has not received any awards. I've attempted redirects, which have been reverted by editors that lack respect for our notability guidelines. Deletion seems to be the only recourse. —Kww(talk) 01:19, 28 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

shut the fuck up. its her next single from a her first disc. so no shit it should get a page... ughh fucking morons!!!— Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.90.115.107 (talk • contribs)

• Delete: notability of song not established. WP:NSONGS JamesBurns (talk) 03:10, 28 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Locked Redirect back to I Am...Sasha Fierce. This song has not been released or charted, and the first commenter would be kind to be civil to the nominator. Nate • (chatter) 03:20, 28 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep This could be a crystal, but this is confirmed (source iTunes) and per WP:NSONGS, a single from a notable article is, in turn, notable. Tavix (talk) 04:24, 28 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment: You can read NSONGS that way in respect to albums, but it doesn't say that about singles.—Kww(talk) 13:32, 28 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Redirect to I Am...Sasha Fierce, per WP:NSONGS.Oroso (talk) 08:43, 28 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect and possibly locked (excluding talk page) until the song charts. This will be released as a single; music video is already out. --Efe (talk) 08:59, 28 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete as a non-plausible search term, fails notability per WP:MUSIC#Songs.  Esradekan Gibb  ^"Talk" 11:37, 28 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep The video has been released and the song has been confirmed as an official single (see iTunes and Knowles' official website --> beyonceonline.com). It is available for purchase and has charted in the iTunes Video Chart. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.6.169.151 (talk) 17:22, 28 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment But not on the Billboard Hot 100. That's what matters for notability here, not a purchase tracking list. Nate • (chatter) 19:33, 28 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge with Diva (Beyoncé Knowles song) as a joint single page. If it is plausible of course. Ratizi1 (talk) 19:24, 28 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment The singles were released simultaneously but are seperate singles and therefore (in my opinion) should not be merged. If you do that you'd have to merge If I Were A Boy and Single Ladies aswell which is pretty pointless because they both have/will chart seperately, not as a double single. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.6.169.151 (talk) 19:58, 28 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment Should not be merged. These two songs are separate singles. --Efe (talk) 07:54, 29 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Beyonce is one of the most famous singers in the world, and the song was written by very notable writers. It is out in a few weeks anyway, so the page would be remade. The music video has been released and it has radio play. There are citations for verifications aswell, with reliable sources.Mohsin12345 (talk) 22:37, 28 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment The notability of the song does not depends on the notability of the singer. --Efe (talk) 07:54, 29 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect to album until the song starts charting significantly.  AcroX  23:20, 28 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep I think that the page should be kept. Tarysky (talk) 00:04, 2 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep The page should be kept as is, because the single is to be released in a couple of weeks, so to delete it and to remake it would be pointless. If the official cover-art is out on a song, than a page should be up. Diva and Halo were released together so if Diva's page is allowed up than so should Halo. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.161.178.15 (talk) 16:48, 29 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

See WP:CRYSTAL, WP:NSONGS.  AcroX  22:13, 29 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep I agree with all the keeps. The video was officially released on iTunes a couple weeks ago so a single verification is already done. Why delete all the information right now only to try and replace it in a couple more weeks when the single is officially released to mainstream? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.161.178.15 (talk) 1:59, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

• Comment That is speculation and it falls under WP:CRYSTAL. anyway, the info in the article will not be deleted. It will remain in the history and once the single charts, it will be used again. --Efe (talk) 12:40, 30 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. I think I'm going to agree with the above IP and say I'm willing to make an exception with this page. It's pointless to redirect or delete the page, since it will chart shortly. "Diva" and "Halo" are released together, almost in the A side, B side format, and if one goes, then the other song lacks context. Knowles releases two songs at a time to show her dual personality, and the two complement (compliment) each other. It makes no sense to keep only one. Orane (talk) 18:48, 30 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep It has been announced as her next single (check the official website) and the video has already been released and has charted at a peak of number 4 on the iTunes Music Video chart! Wneedham02 (talk) 22:33, 30 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment The iTunes charts are listed on WP:BADCHARTS, and should not be viewed as qualifying as "charts" in order to satisfy WP:NSONGS.—Kww(talk) 22:44, 30 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment WP:CRYSTAL states:

• All articles about anticipated events must be verifiable, and the subject matter must be of sufficiently wide interest that it would merit an article if the event had already occurred. check
• It is appropriate to report discussion and arguments about the prospects for success of future proposals and projects or whether some development will occur, if discussion is properly referenced.
• Individual scheduled or expected future events should only be included if the event is notable and almost certain to take place. check.

• It is a certainty that the song will chart spectacularly. Come on. It's Beyonce. Everything she releases goes to at least top 10.

WP:CRYSTAL in no way deters this article from remaining. Orane (talk) 06:34, 31 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment "It is a certainty that the song will chart spectacularly. Come on. It's Beyonce. Everything she releases goes to at least top 10." looks like Crystal Balling in itself. We don't know that the song will chart highly at all. I don't doubt Beyonce's talent, but we can't just go around predicting that everything she does will be a magical hit song. That's why I voted for a redirect to the album until the song at least impacts music charts in some way.  AcroX  14:04, 31 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment The policies state "Individual scheduled or expected future events should only be included if the event is notable and almost certain to take place". Isn't it almost certain that the song will chart spectacularly? To "chart spectacularly" doesn't necessarily mean that it will reach number one. Notability isn't necessarily about success. The "Halo" article is about the release of a song from the decade's most bankable and commercially successful artist (she has the most number one this decade). It will be notable to cover the song at some point. If it's supposed to be released officially in a few weeks (and has already been released digitally and a video has already been made, and the "B side" has already charted), then why delete it or redirect it? Orane (talk) 01:57, 1 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment The song is released in January, it will chart in January, and tomorrow is January. There's no point in redirecting/deleting the article. As someone has already pointed out, "Individual scheduled or expected future events should only be included if the event is notable and almost certain to take place." - I will chop off and give you my right arm if it doesn't make the Top 10 in the US & the UK and multiple other countries. I'm not saying that everything she does is a magical hit song, but the fact that it charted in the top 10 videos on itunes within the hour of its release (and i know itunes is not of importance here but come on) shows that there is high interest with this song! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.6.169.151 (talk) 14:13, 31 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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