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Another piece of Guantanamo cruft. Fails WP:GNG, as these are just prison uniforms at a notable prison. We don't have an article about ADX Florence uniforms. There's no WP:SIGCOV on the prison uniforms themselves to establish notability. Only WP:PASSING. And the article is a collection of WP:SYNTH. WP:ARTICLEAGE or WP:HARMLESS are not valid arguments for notability and thus keeping. Longhornsg (talk) 00:28, 5 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Law, Military, Cuba, and United States of America. Longhornsg (talk) 00:28, 5 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nom as utter trivia. Clarityfiend (talk) 01:27, 5 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete fails WP:GNG. FWIW original creator indeffed. Mztourist (talk) 09:09, 6 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge into Guantanamo Bay detention camp. The topic isn't notable enough to warrant its own article, but there should be at least a few sentences about the uniforms on the Guantanamo Bay article. Opm581 ^{(talk | he/him)} 04:45, 7 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  I am changing my vote to Keep, as RebeccaGreen has found WP:SIGCOV and has added it to the article. I also agree that the main article shouldn't be lengthened. Opm581 ^{(talk | he/him)} 13:21, 13 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete I don't agree that something about the uniforms is mergeable. There is no indication whatsoever that there is anything notable or WP:DUE about the uniforms. Sirfurboy (talk) 10:10, 7 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete not appropriate for Wikipedia, fails WP:GNG jolielover♥talk 08:27, 10 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep or Merge with Guantanamo Bay detention camp. I am not sure yet if there is SIGCOV, though I did find "North Carolina firm supplies uniforms for war prisoners", and the book Dress Behind Bars: Prison Clothing as Criminality has several pages about the Guantanamo Bay orange jumpsuits [1]. There is some coverage of the use by Islamic State of orange jumpsuits for their prisoners, "a reference to the prison uniforms at Guantanamo Bay" [2] and here [3]. Stage performances have also used orange boiler-suits to represent Guantanamo Bay-style captivity, eg [4], page 24. The book Escape to Prison: Penal Tourism and the Pull of Punishment (page 76) [5] describes how Old Melbourne Gaol museum asks visitors to think about how Ned Kelly would be treated today, and show a photograph of him dressed in an orange boiler-suit ("think Guanatanamo Bay"). The quote in the article, that "that is the image that is being left with people all around the world, that everybody in Guantanamo is wearing an orange jump suit", does fit with these sources. Some more about these issues could be added to the article. The Guantanamo Bay article is already long, so it would probably be better to keep this article separate. RebeccaGreen (talk) 14:41, 11 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  Not sure if this qualifies as WP:SIGCOV. Longhornsg (talk) 02:00, 12 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep per RebeccaGreen. I only found two unsourced, potentially contentious clauses in this article, which can be solved with ordinary edit requests or excision. The main article is too long. Lots of trivial stuff ends up in WP:ODD. Bearian (talk) 15:13, 11 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:28, 12 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete The sentence explaining the "compliant" and "non-compliant" uniforms is about all you need to know, the rest appears to be fluff and many photos. I really don't even see the point of a merge, prisoners wear uniforms in prison. Oaktree b (talk) 13:45, 12 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Utterly creepy 'trivia' that is of no importance to any average reader, even for someone who regularly studies incarceration. Nathannah • 23:35, 12 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment I have edited the article and started adding more sources and info. Many of the arguments presented so far seem to fit WP:UNENCYCLOPEDIC and/or WP:ITSCRUFT. However, this topic is the subject of a chapter in a book published by Indiana University Press, 4-5 pages in a book published by Bloomsbury Publishing, and an article in The Washington Post, in addition to less substantial coverage in other articles. For other topics, I believe this would be considered WP:SIGCOV. RebeccaGreen (talk) 12:01, 13 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting to give participants an opportunity to review RebeccaGreen's added sources.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Owen× 14:40, 20 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep per WP:ODD. The article now passes WP:GNG and there's WP:SIGCOV in reliable sources. The article was compelling enough for me to read it to the end, and I'm sure it will capture the interest of other readers.--DesiMoore (talk) 16:10, 20 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]