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The result was merge to Sunk Loto. Spartaz ^Humbug! 17:04, 22 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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This article has existed for years, and has not developped into anything more than a citationless two-sentence stub. It is a permastub, and it fails notability for music. Neelix (talk) 18:20, 17 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep per precedent. That it is a stub is meaningless for an AFD, as being a stub isn't against policy. It is an album by someone notable enough to have an article here. It was released on a Sony label, which qualifies as a major label as well. The artist has released multiple albums. WP:NALBUMS says two interesting things, including In general, if the musician or ensemble that recorded an album is considered notable, then officially released albums may have sufficient notability to have individual articles on Wikipedia. as well as saying albums must been general notability standards. Most of the AFDs I have seen have considered all albums by notable artists with multiple releases as notable, defacto. I tend to agree. DENNIS BROWN (T) (C) 19:09, 17 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  The section that you cite prefaces the points you mention by saying that All articles on albums, singles or songs must meet the basic criteria at the notability guidelines, with significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. This article has no such coverage, and considering it has not gathered any sources in the three and a half years that it has existed, it is unlikely to gather them in the future. Neelix (talk) 20:19, 17 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  And released albums from bands with multiple albums are considered defacto notable because of the band, per consensus. It is basically the reason the band is notable and written about to begin with. DENNIS BROWN (T) (C) 12:36, 18 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Merge and Redirect. Since this will probably always remain a stub, the content should be merged with Sunk Loto the album's creator.  LinguistAtLarge  19:21, 17 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Contrary to nomination, passes WP:MUSIC as it is an album on a major record by a notable band. Size of the article is not justification for deletion, only for improvement, and maybe for merging. Theseeker4 (talk) 19:55, 17 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 22:26, 17 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge and redirect with Sunk Loto. There is not enough information to sustain a separate article, but it is sufficiently notable as per Theseeker4. - Mgm|^(talk) 09:33, 18 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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