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The result was keep for now but another AfD in 3 months is so strongly suggested, there is nothing here to see. Gwen Gale (talk) 20:46, 1 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Is there any such group as the "Australian Mafia" or is this just a term used to lump a series of criminal groups linked by nothing more than hand waving reference to the Italian ancestry of some of their members? How reliable a source is the "Gangsters Encyclopedia"? Mattinbgn\^talk 08:09, 25 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Australia-related deletion discussions. -- Mattinbgn\^talk 08:09, 25 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• I dunno, this could be real. It gives a reference: "Gangsters Encyclopedia" unfortunately the book isn't apparently scanned by Google and it's not in a library near me. The term gets a few google results but maybe a third are seriously in reference to any kind of criminal conspiracy. If this article is deleted we should maybe look at the two crews mentioned in this article, they use the same reference. --Rividian (talk) 15:13, 25 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment - Oggle is the very last place id ever go for this - http://catalogue.nla.gov.au/Search/Home?lookfor=mafia+in+australia&type=all&filter%5B%5D=&submit=Find would suggest about 4 to 5 books either written on the subject or referring to the subject with the word of the phenomenon in the title - however the creator of the article by over-relying on one source leads it into the Xfd territory - I would not argue for retention of this article unless someone could find the bits in the books that could be tied in - as it stands it cannot stand on a leg - tie in bob bottom and the others who use the term in their titles - it would have legs to walk away from xfd SatuSuro 05:35, 26 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep -- I did some work on the 'Ndrangheta article. I know it is a world-wide phenomenon. that there is an Australian connection seems entirely credible to me. More sources would be good. This article is less than a week old. Let's give the contributors some time to find the sources. Geo Swan (talk) 22:08, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • It's important to distinguish between organized crime, which is a general sort of crime that certainly exists in Australia, and mafia, which is a specific organization and for I'd prefer we get some better sources to confirm it has a presence in Australia. Waiting is acceptable since crime articles can be he hard to research... but they do need to appear at some point. --Rividian (talk) 01:59, 31 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep -- The Royal Commission into Drug Trafficking (Woodward Royal Commission) is a strong enough reason, even in the case of lack of proof of the existence of the Mafia in Australia (as opposed to Italian criminal groups).dinghy (talk) 11:45, 1 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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