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Administrators' newsletter – October 2024
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User:2600:8800:4197:9400:ED83:389D:6160:FB62
User_talk:2600:8800:4197:9400:ED83:389D:6160:FB62 (and User_talk:2600:8800:4197:9400:4976:7241:4615:910B, their last IP) has been edit warring on Haunted Castle (video game), insisting that the recent remake of the game does not belong in the lede. Other users as well as myself say otherwise, because full remakes are notable for the lede and are often in GA and featured video game articles such as Final Fantasy IV. They last edit warred on Chad McQueen as User talk:2600:8800:4197:9400:28C7:8E31:7EE0:2F85 and you blocked them, and they still have not learned their lesson.Yogue (talk) 18:29, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
- I'll keep an eye on the article for trouble. Acroterion (talk) 19:49, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
- As with the Chad McQueen article, they've been accusing us of 'advertising' for adding information that's relevant, and it looks like they are deliberately shifting around IPs.Yogue (talk) 02:14, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
- I've blocked the current IP range and protected the article for a while. Acroterion (talk) 02:20, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
- As with the Chad McQueen article, they've been accusing us of 'advertising' for adding information that's relevant, and it looks like they are deliberately shifting around IPs.Yogue (talk) 02:14, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
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Gun show loophole
Hi there, I saw you were on the list of active admins and I think we've edited in some of the same spaces before. I just wanted to keep admin aware that the GSL talk page is especially active these days which is of course partially my fault (involved). Just giving a heads up that there is current discussion on the talk page and at NPOVN.
Cheers. DN (talk) 02:32, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
- OK, but unless there's clear-cut misbehavior administrators won't intervene in a discussion one way or another, at least not in an administrative capacity. Acroterion (talk) 02:48, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
- Understood, I know you have bigger fish to fry, and THANK YOU for doing what you do. DN (talk) 03:20, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
- I took a quick look at the talkpage and while it's a voluminous, unresolved discussion, it looked like everybody's being reasonably respectful, or at least are not actively fighting. In any case, it's getting late and I'm wrapping things up for the day. Acroterion (talk) 03:22, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
- Of course, I just hope you aren't in Florida. DN (talk) 03:32, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
- No, I haven't been to Florida since 2012, I'm about 900 miles north of there, near my native land. Acroterion (talk) 12:07, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
- Of course, I just hope you aren't in Florida. DN (talk) 03:32, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
- I took a quick look at the talkpage and while it's a voluminous, unresolved discussion, it looked like everybody's being reasonably respectful, or at least are not actively fighting. In any case, it's getting late and I'm wrapping things up for the day. Acroterion (talk) 03:22, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
- Understood, I know you have bigger fish to fry, and THANK YOU for doing what you do. DN (talk) 03:20, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
Another probable sock
Hi Acroterion. You recently blocked two accounts (Cavil5715 and Adelewhite125) for socking, and I bet that Krisheven425 is another sock in the same drawer. Same type of posting on their user talk page, about finding web development companies. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 14:25, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
Thanks
I was actively monitoring Special:Contributions/2001:4454:26B:CE00:99BE:52BD:2B8C:9EF2 (that is, literally reloading the page every five seconds) when I saw you had blocked the IP range. I was not expecting it to be resolved so quickly, so thank you. - ZLEA T\C 04:39, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
- Most current airliner pages are on my watchlist because they're favored by two or three LTAs, so it was pretty clear somebody was acting up. Glad I was able to cut that short. Acroterion (talk) 12:55, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
Hi Acroterion. Would you mind restoring the visibility of the reverted edits made at this page? I've previously discussed with two other admins about the issue of hiding death-related revisions from this talkpage, which can be seen here. Thanks, ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 21:54, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
- I disagree with Primefac's view that "we get death notices all the time, they're easily checked and not that serious of a BLP vio." In my view, maliciously stating that an elderly (or any) person is dead is as serious as it gets, and we have enough ghoulish fascination with being first to report someone's death that we don't need to encourage the trolls. And this is an LTA, so "purely disruptive" comes into play, with WP:DENY. Primefac's entitled to his opinion, but I see no value in unhiding the abuse. That said, if someone else thinks it's fine, they are free to do it. Acroterion (talk) 23:20, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
- RD is somewhat subjective. I have stated my opinion on the matter, but I don't necessarily feel strongly enough to push the issue or reverse the RD. Feel free to take it up at a more centralised noticeboard if you feel that these sorts of things should be more standardised. Primefac (talk) 11:12, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- I agree, the boundaries aren't clear. I tend to resist defining things rigidly, since rigid boundaries can be tested or exploited, and we have as much instruction creep as anybody can stand already. I am not wholly in disagreement about death vandalism; checking really famous people is trivially easy. It's the less obvious or easy-to-check cases that are more pernicious. Acroterion (talk) 13:37, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- RD is somewhat subjective. I have stated my opinion on the matter, but I don't necessarily feel strongly enough to push the issue or reverse the RD. Feel free to take it up at a more centralised noticeboard if you feel that these sorts of things should be more standardised. Primefac (talk) 11:12, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
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Request
Hello. I think this diff is a good candidate for mopping up. What do you think? QwertyForest (talk) 19:07, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- It certainly earns a block for racist vandalism. It's not awful enough for revdel though, it can remain as a memorial to that editor's behavior. Acroterion (talk) 19:13, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- Ok. I just thought it would be good to report it for RevDel because I saw a similar edit by someone else get RevDell'ed. QwertyForest (talk) 19:16, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- There is no unanimous opinion on the threshold for revdel, which is probably a good thing, since over-specificity is a temptation for the malicious to see what they can get away with. Another admin may disagree, and there are things that I revdel that other admins might not. The most important thing is that the vandal is blocked. Acroterion (talk) 19:20, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- Ok. I just thought it would be good to report it for RevDel because I saw a similar edit by someone else get RevDell'ed. QwertyForest (talk) 19:16, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
I think I've come across an LTA
But I can't quite place where it was or the possible socking... I seem to remember something about an obsession with adding numbers to articles, with adding ages at the time of death to articles, numbering people's stations in life in articles (including infoboxes for First Ladies of the US). Please see this edit history. Thanks, Shearonink (talk) 15:16, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
- I can't say I've seen that particular editing pattern, at least not that I remember.. I would think it should be easy to spot via a properly constituted query, which might give more clue. Acroterion (talk) 15:52, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
- Lol you assume I can put together a properly constituted query? (not even sure what a query is, I just edit stuff around here...) I'll continue to poke around my old edits over the next few days, I know I've seen this editing pattern before... Somewhere. Thanks, Shearonink (talk) 17:14, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
- That's why I dumped it back on you! My skills are limited in that regard. Acroterion (talk) 17:44, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
- Lol you assume I can put together a properly constituted query? (not even sure what a query is, I just edit stuff around here...) I'll continue to poke around my old edits over the next few days, I know I've seen this editing pattern before... Somewhere. Thanks, Shearonink (talk) 17:14, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
Deletion of wikipedia page
Can you please tell me why my page is deleted. i have given reference links. not added any promotional content. Sandeephbk2024 (talk) 06:10, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
- The draft was deleted by another Wikipedia administrator after it was declined for non-notability. The deletion reason was that it was promotional. If you have questions about that, you should contact the deleting administrator. Acroterion (talk) 12:22, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
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Recent ltas on the false edit filter triggers
I have found the vpn used at least one of them and its www.gigavpn.net i can most likely compile the ips they use •Cyberwolf•talk? 15:30, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
- Most likely wrong •Cyberwolf•talk? 15:47, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
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Baton Zabërgja
Acroterion, can you restore (or allow me to create) the Wikipedia article of Baton Zabërgja because he in this season has debuted in Kategoria Superiore which according to Wikipedia is a fully professional league and is expected to debut with the Kosovo national team. The reason I'm asking you is that I saw that the article existed earlier but that it was deleted and a kind of warning notice came up asking you to ask? BalkanianActuality (talk) 18:26, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
- Sure, it was created by a banned user, but if you want to work on it, that's fine. Acroterion (talk) 00:25, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you, Acroterion, for the opportunity and understanding, I have already made some edits to the article in question. Thank you once again. BalkanianActuality (talk) 03:31, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
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User personal attacks
Hi a user named Darkwarriorblake insulted me here Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Film#Batman returns saying I need to “get a life” could you please look into it? Jasper killain (talk) 21:16, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
- Yes. And you look like you're evading a block. Acroterion (talk) 00:19, 16 November 2024 (UTC)
- I’m not and what about the being insulted? Jasper killain (talk) 01:24, 16 November 2024 (UTC)
- Your account was just registered after the other account was blocked, you're demanding retribution against one of the editors involved in that discussion, and while not particularly kind, you're not being insulted. Acroterion (talk) 01:28, 16 November 2024 (UTC)
- Getting a life is absolutely an insult Jasper killain (talk) 01:29, 16 November 2024 (UTC)
- Get a life (idiom) Taunt is a insult Jasper killain (talk) 01:31, 16 November 2024 (UTC)
- It's not actionable. Drop it. Acroterion (talk) 01:35, 16 November 2024 (UTC)
- Get a life (idiom) Taunt is a insult Jasper killain (talk) 01:31, 16 November 2024 (UTC)
- Getting a life is absolutely an insult Jasper killain (talk) 01:29, 16 November 2024 (UTC)
- Your account was just registered after the other account was blocked, you're demanding retribution against one of the editors involved in that discussion, and while not particularly kind, you're not being insulted. Acroterion (talk) 01:28, 16 November 2024 (UTC)
- I’m not and what about the being insulted? Jasper killain (talk) 01:24, 16 November 2024 (UTC)
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Unfinished business
Hey uh this may seem too late to say this but you seem to forgot to hide this when doing the other edits from Susan Wojcicki in 2022 50.5.128.109 (talk) 03:47, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
- (talk page stalker) I got it. Thanks for catching that. – bradv 03:58, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks 50.x and Bradv. Acroterion (talk) 12:26, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
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Starry Night move
Why did you have to give me the level 2 warning when I moved the page The Starry Night to Starry Night (Van Gogh)? I was kind of new to editing Wikipedia and was very new with moving pages Cyber the tiger (talk) 17:38, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
- Because undiscussed pagemoves are disruptive. Articles should not be moved on a whim. New editors don't necessarily know that, so they are warned. The warning was given nine months ago, I assume you have a better understanding of move protocols now. Acroterion (talk) 17:51, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
- I wanted to know why you gave the level 2 warning instead of the level 1 warning (I've attached the level 1 warning below the level 2 warning so you know what I'm talking about):
- [<Yes, I know what the templates look like>.
- Cyber the tiger (talk) 19:09, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
- I looked at your edits around that time and decided a slightly stronger wording was appropriate. It's a mild admonishment, not a stain on your Permanent Record. Do you really think it's a good use of your time to come back nine months later to wrangle about it? Acroterion (talk) 23:10, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
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Redon Ismaili
Acroterion, I hope I don't bother you with these undo requests, but I had a request (not only from me but also from some editors like this one) to restore the Wikipedia article of Redon Ismaili, which is the same request for the same reason (because he in this season has debuted in Kategoria Superiore which according to Wikipedia is a fully professional league) as my earlier request for the Wikipedia article on Baton Zabërgja. BalkanianActuality (talk) 08:48, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
- No problem, done. Acroterion (talk) 12:25, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
Undo request (I hope for the last time): Altin Aliu and Aridon Bllaca
Acroterion, I hope I'm not bothering you with these undo requests, but I had a request on my talk page from Alkid2023 (the same editor who made an undo request for Redon Ismaili's Wikipedia article) who apparently is still not used to how Wikipedia works and now he wants to undo the Wikipedia articles of Altin Aliu and Aridon Bllaca. BalkanianActuality (talk) 04:52, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
- It's not a problem, administrators are here to help editors write the encyclopedia. I'll take a look at them and undelete if appropriate. Acroterion (talk) 14:35, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
- Both are done now. Acroterion (talk) 15:30, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
Hi Acroterion. I saw you reblocked this IP, but I can't seem to find any more recent activity from them. Is there something that happened? Thanks. Daniel Quinlan (talk) 06:40, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
- No, it was me when I was tired and misread the edit filter log. Acroterion (talk) 14:36, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
- Okay, thanks for explaining. Would you unblock the range or would you mind if I unblocked it? Daniel Quinlan (talk) 04:03, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
Quick admin question
Hey there Acroterion. I just came across an IP address that you previously blocked. I blocked them again for a period of three days (due to messing around with pages). They have been repeatedly warned in the past, and blocked twice. Was I correct to block someone after being blocked twice in the past and having repeated warnings, or should I have done a warning first? ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 22:16, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
- If they're doing the same sorts of things that got them blocked the first two times, we can assume they know better already and are just blowing us off. Technically, warnings aren't required, but AGF would demand it until we can safely discard that courtesy. Acroterion (talk) 00:27, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
- That's why I went with three days and not a longer warning. Thanks. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 20:45, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
More edit warring from an IP
Hi Acroterion, sorry to disturb, but the IP you blocked for edit warring at the Moorgate tube crash article has come off their block and jumped straight back into reverting again. They have, at least, commented on the talk page, but I’m not sure that anything said there is going to stop the disruption. Should I apply for temporary page protection to focus their efforts on the talk page alone? Thanks SchroCat (talk) 00:25, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
- How about not lying about me, not trying to force jargon that nobody has used in decades into the article, not reverting just for the sake of reverting, and talking to me instead of childishly trying to get me blocked again. 81.111.22.107 (talk) 00:44, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
- Stalking too? I have not lied about you: you have come off a block for edit warring and carried in with the same disruptive behaviour. I have explained the rationale on the talk page as to why the current phrasing is better, and it has nothing to do with ‘reverting just for the sake of reverting’: that’s an untruthful claim right there. How about you use the article talk page to try and counter the explanation put forward, rather than just edit warring? SchroCat (talk) 00:57, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
- It looks like WP:BKFIP to me; I've blocked them for one month.--Bbb23 (talk) 01:15, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks, we were out of town at family today. Acroterion (talk) 02:13, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
- Many thanks to you both. If they return at a future point, hopefully they'll aim for the talk page first to discuss properly. Cheers - SchroCat (talk) 11:20, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks, we were out of town at family today. Acroterion (talk) 02:13, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
- It looks like WP:BKFIP to me; I've blocked them for one month.--Bbb23 (talk) 01:15, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
- Stalking too? I have not lied about you: you have come off a block for edit warring and carried in with the same disruptive behaviour. I have explained the rationale on the talk page as to why the current phrasing is better, and it has nothing to do with ‘reverting just for the sake of reverting’: that’s an untruthful claim right there. How about you use the article talk page to try and counter the explanation put forward, rather than just edit warring? SchroCat (talk) 00:57, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
Greetings of the season
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The Bugle: Issue 224, December 2024
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Hello Acroterion -- I won't revert but actually I disagree strongly with this tagging. Imo, single source is intended for articles where (1) the fact it pends off a single source is a significant problem (because the source is unreliable for some reason), or (2) the fact that the meat of an article is from one source is not obvious from the reference list (because there are a mass of trivial sources). In this case, the source appears reliable, independent and secondary.
It is my strong belief based on the behaviour of the sock Lamptonian, as well as the userboxes on the sock master, that the intent of almost all their edits was to discredit material about liberal/feminist/queer academics or similar, and I'm sad to see this goal achieved in this case. I'm busy right now, but I will try to look for another source when I have a moment; I assume reviews of the subject's work will be available. Did you search for one and fail to find it? If so you should state this explicitly. Regards, Espresso Addict (talk) 06:57, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- Feel free to revert. I was trying to sample the good, bad and indifferernt edits Lamptonian made. That one falls into "indifferent." As I've said elsewhere, it will take months to properly search and improve the articles Lamptonian tagged or slashed. Acroterion (talk) 14:00, 29 December 2024 (UTC)