Template:Did you know nominations/Elon Musk gesture controversy
Elon Musk gesture controversy
- ... that the German law enforcement is investigating the projection of Elon Musk's arm gesture onto Berlin's Tesla factory over the use of an illegal salute?
- ALT1: ... that Elon Musk has called for Wikipedia to be defunded over its coverage of his arm gesture, leading Wikipedia co-founder Jimmy Wales to state that "Elon is unhappy that Wikipedia is not for sale"? Source: 'Defund until': Elon Musk slams Wikipedia over 'Nazi salute' claim
- ALT2: ... that Elon Musk's representative in Italy has defended Musk's arm gesture, stating that Musk "is autistic" and was expressing his emotions rather than emulating fascism? Source: "He later deleted the post, writing that Musk 'is autistic,' and was expressing his emotions but denying he was emulating fascism."
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Thomas Burdet
- Comment: I dare nominate a spicy one. This article is still undergoing a deletion discussion and will need polishing, but it had to be nominated in time.
Created by SolxrgashiUnited (talk), Maykiwi (talk), and Crelb (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 211 past nominations.
Surtsicna (talk) 01:48, 28 January 2025 (UTC).
- Comment. I'm not wholesale opposed to this article running on DYK (subject to the deletion nomination), but I think the three hooks presented all have issues, mostly to do with neutrality/WP:DYKHOOKBLP. I don't think we should be running any hooks that are in the format "Living Person X is under criminal investigation", because that effectively amounts to an implication of wrongdoing and, unlike news outlets, we don't rerun a blurb if the person being investigated is absolved. ALT1 seems to be more about Musk's views on Wikipedia than the boldlinked article; the quote from Jimmy Wales is currently not even mentioned in the article, so we have an instance where the hook is actually more informative than the article it links to. I'm also biased against "meta" hooks that reference Wikipedia in general although there's no policy against it. With ALT2, I don't really see a circumstance in which someone tagging a public figure with a neurodevelopmental disorder can be presented neutrally as a hook. I T B F 📢 12:31, 30 January 2025 (UTC)
- Comment. Proposing new hooks as not a fan of ALT2 for above reasons, nor a the sort of self-promotion in ALT1. I think these are much more neutral as a statement of fact than a personal opinion. Edit: Also adding ALT4 as another fact over negative opinion, while tying a GA into the mix.
- ALT3: ... many Reddit moderators banned links to X in protest of Elon Musk's straight-arm gesture? Source: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c77r1p887e5o
- ALT4: ... that the anti-Brexit activist group, Led By Donkeys, projected an image of Elon Musk's straight-arm gesture onto a Tesla Gigafactory in Berlin? Source: https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/snl-elon-musk-michael-che-nazi-salute-b2686731.html
- I disagree with you both regarding ALT1. Readers of the front page are almost certainly interested in the site and so hooks about Wikipedia inherently meet WP:DYKINT. I'd word the hook differently, however: ALT1a: ... that Elon Musk called for Wikipedia to be defunded over its coverage of a gesture he made at the second inauguration of Donald Trump?--Launchballer 01:28, 1 February 2025 (UTC)
- I disagree with the above claim that all hooks about Wikipedia are automatically interesting or should be preferred. In fact, personally I believe that such a viewpoint should be discouraged. See for example WP:NAVEL which shows that referring to Wikipedia or putting emphasis on Wikipedia in content is, at the very least, controversial. Ideally, we should be avoiding references to Wikipedia in hooks whenever possible, and I don't see why this should be an exception. ALT3 especially seems like a more appropriate option in this case since it's neutral, it's not unduly focusing on Wikipedia, and it sidesteps the concerns regarding criminality. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:33, 4 February 2025 (UTC)
- ALT3 is boring. Concerns regarding whose criminality, Narutolovehinata5? ALT0 does not say that Musk is being investigated. Surtsicna (talk) 22:51, 6 February 2025 (UTC)
- I don't see how ALT3 is boring (unless your preference is one of the political hooks), and the criminality concerns weren't mine but ITBF's. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 03:42, 8 February 2025 (UTC)
- ALT3 is boring. Concerns regarding whose criminality, Narutolovehinata5? ALT0 does not say that Musk is being investigated. Surtsicna (talk) 22:51, 6 February 2025 (UTC)
- I disagree with the above claim that all hooks about Wikipedia are automatically interesting or should be preferred. In fact, personally I believe that such a viewpoint should be discouraged. See for example WP:NAVEL which shows that referring to Wikipedia or putting emphasis on Wikipedia in content is, at the very least, controversial. Ideally, we should be avoiding references to Wikipedia in hooks whenever possible, and I don't see why this should be an exception. ALT3 especially seems like a more appropriate option in this case since it's neutral, it's not unduly focusing on Wikipedia, and it sidesteps the concerns regarding criminality. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:33, 4 February 2025 (UTC)
- I disagree with you both regarding ALT1. Readers of the front page are almost certainly interested in the site and so hooks about Wikipedia inherently meet WP:DYKINT. I'd word the hook differently, however: ALT1a: ... that Elon Musk called for Wikipedia to be defunded over its coverage of a gesture he made at the second inauguration of Donald Trump?--Launchballer 01:28, 1 February 2025 (UTC)
- ALT4a ... that an activist group projected an image of Elon Musk's straight-arm gesture onto a Tesla Gigafactory with the phrase "Heil Tesla"?Source: https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/snl-elon-musk-michael-che-nazi-salute-b2686731.html TarnishedPathtalk 13:04, 8 February 2025 (UTC)
- Is that spicy enough without causing any of the concerns raised above? TarnishedPathtalk 13:07, 8 February 2025 (UTC)