Template:Did you know nominations/Barbara Kurdej-Szatan
Barbara Kurdej-Szatan
- ... that actress Barbara Kurdej-Szatan became famous for playing in mobile phone commercials?
- Source: https://www.press.pl/tresc/68286,blondynka-z-reklamy_-tak-barbara-kurdej-szatan-zaczynala-w-play
- Reviewed:
Artemis Andromeda (talk) 16:39, 6 February 2025 (UTC).
- Alt1: ... that this actress became famous from appearing in mobile phone commercials? Artemis Andromeda (talk) 11:58, 7 February 2025 (UTC)
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Overall: Article is new enough and long enough. Earwig shows no issues in English, but this is taken on good faith since it is translated from the Polish language. I was unable to complete multiple spot checks and verification due to different reasons. In one case, the links were bad. When I tried to fix them (Encyclopedia of Polish Theatre as only one example), I could not track them down to complete the spot check. Some of the content has borderline BLP issues, such as the claims about the border crisis and Lyme disease. I could not track down the claim for the latter, and it is entirely unclear if the subject was treated for Lyme disease, at which point it refers to something in the past and the date needs to be mentioned, or if she still has symptoms, in which case it needs to be modified to say that she has prolonged symptoms from Post-Treatment Lyme Disease Syndrome. (PTLDS). This is only one of many issues. I could not verify the hooks, even though I was able to read the links in translation. From what I can tell, she was notable before the mobile advertising campaign based on what I read, so the idea of what "famous" means is somewhat ambiguous. I think it's safe to assume that the mobile campaign increased her exposure, so it's not a stretch to say that's what made her famous, but I didn't see that in the sources; maybe I missed it. Finally, there's the overall issue of WP:DYKCOMPLETE in the general sense. There's still grammar issues that need to be resolved, and even though you have a current image in the infobox, it's a terrible image of the subject (mic covering her lower face, strained look) and there are dozens of great images of her, although they are much older, on Commons. Some of what I've written here might be incorrect or mistaken, and I acknowledge that, but some of it is also easy to substantiate. Given all these issues, I would suggest the nominator take a moment to address them and try to cleanup the article. Viriditas (talk) 21:13, 8 February 2025 (UTC)
- Hi, thank you for the insights. And to answer to a few of your points. About the links, I think Encyklopedia teatru works fine now, I will later go and chceck if the rest are ok. About the lyme disease, I will admit that I simply don't have much of medical knowledge and don't usually know what to write about such topics, and I just really copied what Polish article said. I found a few articles talking about it (1, 2, 3. She suffered it in 2016 (and maybe in 2017 as well?), and it seems that it's mentioned in media, because she talked about her experience, and also becouse it seems she was a victim of medical malpractice (physician using wrong method criticised by medical experts, and in general making mistakes in her diagnosis and treatment). I actually wonder if I should just remove it, or actually expand it, and maybe mention all the stuff about issues with treatment. I thought the sources said that she is famous becouse of this comercials. I might go and look for additional sources about this specific topic later. But to kinda explain it, while I think article makes her look more famous in retrospect by just writing down all the stuff she did up to that point, she wasn't actually famous back then, and was mostly juat a regular person still trying to 'break out' as I think saying goes. For example, while I listed a few to shows she appeared in, it were mostly just background roles, sometimes with small dialogue. She, at least in my opinion, indeed became famous and recognizable nation-wide thanks to those comercials, since they were a huge success overall. I would even argue, that's what really propelled her career. Also, and this is just my personal opinion, I still think she's mostly still known primarily from those comercials to an average viewer. Also, about the picture, I personally thought she looked nice in the one currently used in the infobox. But I could change it to an older picture, though I think it was less flattering (idk if that matters to be honest though). Sincerely, Artemis Andromeda (talk) 22:31, 8 February 2025 (UTC)
- I don't mind if you leave the current image. This could be a cultural difference. In my culture that kind of image may be perceived differently. I've read elsewhere that photos of people in Eastern Europe that show them looking serious without a smile are preferred. As for Lyme disease, the article says she has it. But you say she has been treated for it, and if so, maybe expand upon it. Celebrities can often do a lot to bring attention to public health issues, so there is educational value there for the reader. It's also the case that climate change and other factors are increasing the prevalence of the disease around the world, so it's a timely issue. Comparing this version to the Polish wiki, I find that the hook is supposedly cited to Jak to się stało?, an interview between Bober and Kurdej-Szatan. However, you have it listed as published in 2021, when it was published in 2022. Perhaps the interview took place in 2021. Also, this is listed by EAN 978-83-96-1010-2-0. There's still issues with the article. I notice that Polish wiki also uses a better image in the infobox, which is current. Viriditas (talk) 01:01, 9 February 2025 (UTC)
- Hi, thank you for the insights. And to answer to a few of your points. About the links, I think Encyklopedia teatru works fine now, I will later go and chceck if the rest are ok. About the lyme disease, I will admit that I simply don't have much of medical knowledge and don't usually know what to write about such topics, and I just really copied what Polish article said. I found a few articles talking about it (1, 2, 3. She suffered it in 2016 (and maybe in 2017 as well?), and it seems that it's mentioned in media, because she talked about her experience, and also becouse it seems she was a victim of medical malpractice (physician using wrong method criticised by medical experts, and in general making mistakes in her diagnosis and treatment). I actually wonder if I should just remove it, or actually expand it, and maybe mention all the stuff about issues with treatment. I thought the sources said that she is famous becouse of this comercials. I might go and look for additional sources about this specific topic later. But to kinda explain it, while I think article makes her look more famous in retrospect by just writing down all the stuff she did up to that point, she wasn't actually famous back then, and was mostly juat a regular person still trying to 'break out' as I think saying goes. For example, while I listed a few to shows she appeared in, it were mostly just background roles, sometimes with small dialogue. She, at least in my opinion, indeed became famous and recognizable nation-wide thanks to those comercials, since they were a huge success overall. I would even argue, that's what really propelled her career. Also, and this is just my personal opinion, I still think she's mostly still known primarily from those comercials to an average viewer. Also, about the picture, I personally thought she looked nice in the one currently used in the infobox. But I could change it to an older picture, though I think it was less flattering (idk if that matters to be honest though). Sincerely, Artemis Andromeda (talk) 22:31, 8 February 2025 (UTC)