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Greater United States → American expansionism under Donald Trump – I think this article should have a more precise title than currently. I think my proposed title is an improvement, but someone could probably come up with something better. Eastwood Park and strabane (talk) 01:01, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Support — "Greater United States" is not a WP:COMMONNAME, nor an official name, nor any name used by any reliable source I could find. DecafPotato (talk) 06:54, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Support per User:DecafPotato. I don't know if anyone calls it "Greater United States" and anyway the entity referred to as "Greater United States" does not actually exist. JIP | Talk 14:09, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support per DecafPotato. HappyWith (talk) 14:22, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support Due to the fact that no media outlets or any sources for that matter have referred to Trump's comments about expansionism as "Greater United States". Lazarbeem (talk) 14:29, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. Is the proposed title accurate if the United States has not yet expanded in terms of territory? So far, we only have rhetoric/plans. But it is probably an improvement over the current title which is more of an WP:OR term. Mellk (talk) 16:41, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I wouldn't be opposed to a change making it less ambiguous if that's an issue, but the way I see it, "expansion" means to actually expand while "expansionism" is just to want to expand. DecafPotato (talk) 00:51, 8 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm, this dictionary definition for example refers to a policy, but I have some seen definitions that refer to acts of territorial expansion. Some of the examples given there also refer to Trump, e.g. this article says: "Trump laid out his vision for the next four years in an inauguration speech that called for a return to American expansionism and exploration" (emphasis mine). This article says: "The Overton window on U.S. expansionism quickly shifted as Trump mused about taking back the Panama Canal, claiming Greenland and invading Mexico...". This article says: "...but it was in keeping with his new administration’s expansionist ambitions" (emphasis mine). Mellk (talk) 19:58, 8 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support a move maybe to United States imperialism under Donald Trump per DecafPotato and WP:OR. “Greater United States” may also possibly be a made up name. I am wondering if Imperialism is a better word than Expansionism. We would also need to use sources that call it imperialism or criticizing his ideas as imperialism/expansionism. Wafflefrites (talk) 04:50, 8 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Also this article was created from a redirect to American imperialism, see here: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Greater_United_States&diff=1270826823&oldid=507642081 Wafflefrites (talk) 16:00, 9 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The term 'imperialism' has been used to describe the foreign policy of previous administrations, but the difference with Trump is his stated goal of territorial expansion. Mellk (talk) 16:45, 9 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I am fine with Expansionism if indeed sources are calling it that, however that is not the case with the sources in this Wikipedia article. The Gaza takeover idea, for example, is not being called “expansionism” rather it is being called “the most imperialist reflex yet” by CNN. Therefore, out of caution of original research, we must accurately determine the scope of the Wikipedia article and make sure everything is in-line verifiable. Wafflefrites (talk) 21:50, 9 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

In cases like those, it makes more sense to include it under American imperialism unless there is also a source referring to it as expansionism (generally speaking we are currently at "expansionist ambitions" etc). Mellk (talk) 22:58, 9 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support Alternative: American irredentism under Donald Trump Humanity was a mistake (talk) 10:29, 9 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I just want to point out that we must be careful of WP:OR. We need to follow the sources, and what the sources say. Do any sources call Trump’s actions irredentism? Wafflefrites (talk) 15:58, 9 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Support per User:DecafPotato. Urban Versis 32^KB ⚡ ^{(talk / contribs)} 02:11, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Support I believe that's a much clearer and accurate title than the current title of Greater United States. PatrickChiao (talk) 08:50, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]