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Talk:Carter Harrison III

References

I appreciate two books about Mayor Harrison are quoted here, but this doesn't quite fit the reference format. Important facts in the article should have specific citations attached to them. See WP:CITE or WP:REF for more information. Thanks. NickBurns 21:54, 9 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Merge

The article Carter H. Harrison was created by a bot and needs to be merged. MisfitToys 22:05, 7 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Done.Shsilver 13:40, 24 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 7 January 2025

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. The proposing and supporting rationales are valid and the oppose was rebutted. Best, (closed by non-admin page mover) Reading Beans, Duke of Rivia 15:06, 23 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

– Wrong name suffixes: These are two mayors of Chicago, a father (born 1825) and son (born 1865) both named Carter Henry Harrison. Somehow, Wikipedia articles have used the suffixes "Sr." and "Jr." for these two men, but later editors have noted them as "III" and "IV", and external sources seem to always refer to them as "III" and "IV". The Wikipedia articles seem to have no explanation of why "Sr." and "Jr." are used on Wikipedia. In 2017, another user noted one misnaming at Talk:Carter Harrison Jr.#Not a Junior. It appears that these two articles, and their attendant Commons categories, should be renamed; this seems uncontroversial, but I'm nominating for discussion out of an abundance of caution, in case I'm missing something, because I almost can't believe that these article titles have remained wrong for 20+ years. Closeapple (talk) 02:54, 7 January 2025 (UTC) — Relisting. ~/Bunnypranav:<ping> 05:59, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. In American naming conventions, it is common to refer to father and son as Sr. and Jr., even if they aren't the first and second in the family line, especially when they became known in the same field of work. They were not monarchs. Onikaburgers (talk) 23:09, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
That certainly can be the case (eg: George Wallace Jr., actually a III), but that doesn't mean it always is. Just because they are not monarchs doesn't mean it's up to us to assign them a a new suffix. — Kawnhr (talk) 17:41, 22 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Note: WikiProject Chicago, WikiProject Kentucky, and WikiProject Biography/Politics and government have been notified of this discussion. ASUKITE 15:23, 22 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support. III and IV appear to be more common in reliable sources — aside from what's already linked on Carter Harrison Jr. (which exclusively call him "IV", not "Jr."), here is a story from the Chicago Sun-Times about Harrison III (not Sr.), here is a story from CBS that mentions Harrison IV (not Jr.). Even better, here is an article from Chicago Magazine from 2003 — before Wikipedia's articles on the pair were created — that mentions Harrison III (not Sr.). While Google turns up a few uses of Sr/Jr, I wonder if that's due to Wikipedia. — Kawnhr (talk) 17:39, 22 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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