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I found some misinformation and just wanted to fix it. 2600:1700:B3E0:EE60:F087:4A68:DFDE:1476 (talk) 04:31, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Be more specific. Where in the article is the misinformation? ZionniThePeruser (talk) 05:27, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Cannolis (talk) 08:28, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Can we please change the photo of the crowd and the rally to the iconic photo of Trump raising his fist? 2600:1011:B323:2A52:11E4:26C1:C49B:8B7 (talk) 00:49, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please see WP:NFCCP. Because the image is used under fair use, it is policy to use it as few times as possible. The image has it's own article so it's not necessary to use it here. Tarlby ^{(t) (c)} 01:16, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Like it or loathe it, the photo of a bleeding Trump with his first in the air was widely acknowledged as an iconic and perfectly composed photo by both the NYTimes and the Atlantic magazine. It summarizes one of the two defining events of the 2024 election. Omitting it is akin to omitting the raising of the flag at Mt. Suribachi in 1945 from an article on the battle of Iwo Jima. Future generations will wonder what Wikipedia was smoking. 2600:8805:3804:F500:A592:16D5:4747:641C (talk) 04:37, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The difference is that Raising the Flag was freely licensed while the assassination was used under fair use. Whether you like it or not, fair use is taken pretty serious here on a website where everything is free for everyone to use. If any reader wants to see it, they can look at the image's own page. It's still there to see. Tarlby ^{(t) (c)} 04:51, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The article's representation of the event exists on conjecture rather than proven fact, and to solely assume that this event was a genuine assassination attempt is actually less neutral and academic than a stance that legitimized the possibility of the event being a hoax

Ignoring all of the superficial signs of this being predetermined (reaction to getting shot, photograph, who the "assassin" actually was) there are some pretty clear inconsistencies

This interview with Netanyahu very soon after the incident shows no damage to his right ear^[1], which is inconsistent with the piercing of the ear that he described after the event (How could it heal so quickly?)

In addition, there were no actual released official medical reports actually detailing damage to the ear

Wikipedia is supposed to be a place of truth in an internet of misinformation, and to actually buy into the Big Lie from someone whose political career has been defined by misinformation campaigns is irresponsible ZeRocky (talk) 12:43, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@ZeRocky: The source you present has no mention of him "having a fine ear". Either way, we regurgitate what reliable sources publish, and failing to adhere to that is WP:OR. E_F⁵ 14:29, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reliable sources are not conflicted about what happened and we go by what they say. PackMecEng (talk) 14:46, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I attempted to revive this discussion back in October 2024, but nobody responded to it, which was somewhat disheartening. Anyway, I'll try again.

I am again proposing the addition of categories relating to this event being a mass shooting, for example Category:2024 mass shootings in the United States. I believe that the current content of the article supports this, and that there is now enough reliable sources calling either this event a mass shooting or Thomas Crooks a 'mass shooter' so that further content supporting this could be added to the article if necessary.

Previous discussion concluded that "If RSes use the term "mass shooting," and that content is added to the article, then "mass shooting" infobox parameters, templates, categories, etc. can be revisited". I believe that this is now the case. The "Motive" section states, among other things, that "The assassination attempt fits some definitions of a mass shooting, but it is unclear if this was intentional on Crooks's part."

As I wrote in my October talk page topic, I also found several additional reliable sources that qualify the event and/or Crooks as a mass shooting/mass shooter, so if what is already written in the Motive section is not satisfactory for other editors, those sources could be inserted into the article. I do not personally think that it is necessary, so I have not added them myself yet, and I will wait to see what others think. I am also reluctant to add this information in the body of the article given that the outcomes of previous discussions on the "mass shooting" topic might result in its premature removal by other editors anyway, so I'd rather discuss it before adding this information.

So, main point is that I believe that the article has changed enough since previous conclusive discussions so that these categories are now appropriate. This discussion is basically just seeing if people agree with that, or believe that more supporting content needs to be added. Macxcxz (talk) 01:19, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]