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David Liberty Nuban

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Fails WP:SPORTSBASIC and WP:GNG. Only coverage I found of Nuban is routine and this was the closest I could get for any significant, in-depth coverage to estabilish notability of him. ~ Tails Wx 18:13, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Cian Cowley

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With Fightmatrix ranking #464 Welterweight, and insufficient general notability, doesn't meet WP:NMMA (expecting 'top 10'). Klbrain (talk) 17:01, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Marco Villanueva

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Doesn't appear to meet the general notability guideline. Coverage is limited to database sources, apparently as a footballer made 2 substitute appearances in 2012/13 and nothing since. C 679 11:29, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 11:43, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep meets WP:Notability, no question for me. Footballnerd2007 • talk ⚽ 11:45, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
On what basis? Giant Snowman 11:48, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 11:50, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: as with any proffesional footballer, there's plenty of routine, database type entries - but I'm not seeing any substantial coverage in newspapers or anywhere else. -- D'n'B-📞 -- 12:19, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, less notable than a person who joined an amateur theatre troupe and appeared in one play in the next town over, 20 years ago. Geschichte (talk) 12:28, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Igor Ferreira

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No significant and independent coverage, far from meeting WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. Geschichte (talk) 06:55, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 10:17, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Fails in WP:GNG, as you can see [1]. Svartner (talk) 11:49, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete If the above database link was correct and the player only played seven games in Singapore in his entire career, then I struggle to even work out how the page creator found the player to make an article in the first place. His own coaching profile claims that Ferreira played in Spain's Segunda División B for the reasonably sized CP Cacereño, [2] but there is no record on the highly comprehensive BDFutbol, so even that modest claim is doubtful. Unknown Temptation (talk) 11:55, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Nicolò D'Agostino

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Unfortunately fails GNG RossEvans19 (talk) 23:34, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 10:17, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Zach Peterson

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I am unable to find any coverage of this assistant basketball coach to meet WP:GNG, other than a few sentences on team-specific blogs (1). JTtheOG (talk) 21:01, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. I also couldn't find any coverage of Peterson individually. Esolo5002 (talk) 01:22, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Oleksandr Shyray

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In several searches in Ukrainian and English, I have found no WP:SIGCOV for this player. He seems to fail WP:GNG as a result. Anwegmann (talk) 19:04, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 10:17, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - seems to be a clear GNG fail. This probably won't be the last Chernihiv player that needs bringing here, sorry to say. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 14:48, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Maksym Shumylo

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Like others from this team, I can't seem to find any WP:SIGCOV on this player in Russian, Ukrainian, or English. As a result, this player appears to fail WP:GNG rather clearly. Anwegmann (talk) 18:59, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 10:16, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - despite his 71 appearances in the lower tiers of Ukraine, I can't find even one decent SIGCOV source, which is surprising. Ukrainian Wikipedia has nothing good to offer either. Maybe the lower tiers of Ukraine are not so well covered by the media. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 14:44, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

David Te Moana

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Fails WP:GNG and little to no SIGCOV. Alexeyevitch^(talk) 11:00, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep. These two articles [3] [4] are definitely SIGCOV, these two [5] [6] are a bit more routine but do name him in their headlines, and there are a dozen or so more trivial mentions in things like match reports. It's not a ton of coverage, but just about enough to pass WP:SPORTBASIC in my view. MCE89 (talk) 11:33, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep. Not all relevant/reliable sources are online. Via EBSCO I found, for example, the following articles:

MacSmith, James (5 February 2006). "Making a big impression", The Sun-Herald (Sydney)
Hills, Murray (18 February 2006). "Young prop David now less of a Goliath ", Taranaki Daily News
Lampp, Peter (26 July 2006). "Perth prop seeks Manawatu place", Manawatu Standard
Millmow, Jonathan (11 August 2006). "'Big Dog' learning new tricks", The Dominion Post
Morton, Jim (5 April 2007). "RU: Big Dog howling at Super 14 recall", AAP Australian Sports News Wire
Lampp, Peter (17 October 2007). "Big Dog puts health, Turbos ahead of Reds", Manawatu Standard
"Big Dog on tight leash at Wellington", Manawatu Standard, 17 July 2010
Lampp, Peter (23 November 2010). "Te Moana set for return. Lack of game time and family life sway prop", Manawatu Standard

Note that I've only listed substantive articles; there are many more articles with more or less relevant info about the player, varying from interviews with him to match reports or team namings. Ruggalicious (talk) 13:35, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Nancy Khalaf

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Declined prod that was redirected. Another editor and myself opposed redirect here Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2025_January_9#Nancy_Khalaf LibStar (talk) 03:14, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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@LibStar you restored the article and took it to afd before the rfd closed, and did so as the rfd's nom. try to not do that. i know from experience that closing rfds as nom for any reason besides withdrawing is a pretty bad idea lol

in the meantime, delete as a stub with no reliable sources and more external links than article text consarn _{(speak evil) (see evil)} 18:01, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

John Vaughn Blake

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Fails WP:SPORTSBASIC/ WP:GNG.4meter4 (talk) 01:45, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment Some sources: [7][8][9][10][11][12][13] ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 03:34, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for these, and discovering the name was misspelled. That error obviously impacted my earlier search for references.4meter4 (talk) 05:14, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Subject clearly passes GNG. Wide coverage of his college football career both as a player and coach. The correct spelling of his last name appears to be "Vaughn" and common name "Vaughn Blake". Jweiss11 (talk) 18:36, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

US Census and military draft registration data agrees that its "Vaughn" and not "Vaughan" if that helps. Thetreesarespeakingtome (talk) 19:19, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

His gravestone also says "Vaughn"; see https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/74191110/john-vaughn-blake. Jweiss11 (talk) 19:37, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ivan Ozzi

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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 (talk) 23:31, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 23:39, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Draftify Technically passes WP:NFOOTY, since he's made 1 professional appearance for a national-level club, but I would note that NFOOTY is an essay and not binded in policy, and the player section has been superseded anyway. I suggest draftification because said appearance was made only a few months ago, and he's 20, so pretty young in association football terms. Probably a case of WP:TOOSOON right now. 2A02:C7C:2DCE:1F00:383D:B8A4:4B33:8A86 (talk) 10:09, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

NFOOTY doesn't exist, so he doesn't technically pass it. Giant Snowman 19:37, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I already noted that it's been superseded, did you even read what I said? Reading comprehension and general effort seems to be lacking in Afd discussions. If I had a shot for every time I've seen someone say "per nom" or "per [policy]" and nothing else, I would be as drunk as a lord. 2A02:C7C:2DCE:1F00:F1A3:81DD:D733:B4E1 (talk) 22:18, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The article also lacks any general effort. Simione001 (talk) 22:53, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, I was blind and couldn't see the 4 references in the article. 2A02:C7C:2DCE:1F00:F1A3:81DD:D733:B4E1 (talk) 22:54, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Drafify - not currently notable, but might be in future. Giant Snowman 19:37, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ian Puleio

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After a review and a search I cannot find any independent and reliable WP:SIGCOV of this footballer for a WP:GNG/WP:NSPORT pass. If you find any, please ping me. Dclemens1971 (talk) 21:29, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 19:36, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. Thanks WikiOriginal, I was doing a cursory search with Paul Diamond, there’s indeed a reasonable coverage from his real name. (non-admin closure) Vanderwaalforces (talk) 22:40, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Paul Diamond (wrestler born 1935)

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Fails WP:SPORTCRIT, there's no source (even one) that provides significant coverage to help establish notability. WP:GNG is also not met. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 16:14, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Passes GNG. ([14][15]) Could be more coverage out there in wrestling magazines. I had to search using his real name (Paul Lehman) instead of his ring name because the results were confused with the other wrestler named Paul Diamond. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 16:49, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Notable wrestler from pre-internet days. I have added more information and another reference to add to those found by the contributor above. It is harder to find stuff because of the other wrestler named Paul Diamond and because of the era this Paul Diamond performed in but I believe there is now sufficient in the article to meet GNG. Lookslikely (talk) 21:39, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Richard Smith (umpire)

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Mass created article by Lugnuts. Clear WP:NSPORTS fail since the only source is the CricInfo database and a passing mention on the Cricket Ireland website. This guy is literally an umpire.

DePROD'd by St. Anselm with the comment "international umpires - yes, even umpires - are generally notable", however, participation-based notability was deprecated by WP:NSPORTS2022. Nobody is notable simply because of where they've played or officiated. If this person were notable in the world of cricket, or in Ireland, you would expect significant coverage of them, and that doesn't appear to exist. FOARP (talk) 08:48, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Irvin Abela

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I am unable to find enough coverage of this Maltese footballer to meet WP:GNG. JTtheOG (talk) 07:43, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete, unknown hobby player. Geschichte (talk) 15:42, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hobby player? What do you mean? ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 15:52, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It's likely a reference to the fact that Abela is an amateur player rather than a pro. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 12:13, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 17:33, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 19:29, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete—Found nothing in Maltese either. Clearly fails WP:GNG. Anwegmann (talk) 01:39, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Geoffrey Dee

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I am unable to find any in-depth coverage of this American former soccer player. JTtheOG (talk) 03:01, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 19:29, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 23:40, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete—Clearly fails WP:GNG. Anwegmann (talk) 01:38, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Kebba Sowe

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I can’t find any in depth coverage of this footballer, just stats and passing mentions. Mccapra (talk) 23:56, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 04:08, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify, young player and reasonable to expect that something might come up. Geschichte (talk) 07:28, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 19:29, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Nothing notable. Too short. LarryL33k (Contribz) 23:22, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete—Clearly fails WP:GNG. Anwegmann (talk) 01:36, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Jerome Fernando

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Non-notable person. The editor submitted this page for afc and once it was declined, they just did a copy-paste move from Draft:Jerome Fernando to mainspace. Vestrian24Bio 13:06, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: He said some things that people didn't like [16], [17], which led to criminal charges, but I don't think that makes him a notable criminal. The sports career isn't notable either. Oaktree b (talk) 14:16, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Fails WP:ANYBIO. Nicely done bio, but it amounts to free publicity for one more person of faith. Nothing out of the ordinary about his ministry. These types get a lot of press coverage by saying all other faiths but theirs are fakes ... which is essentially what he did. He got a lot of press coverage out out of it. None of that makes him rise to notability in Wikipeda. — Maile (talk) 17:20, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete as per nom. In Sri Lanka it's a crime to belittle other religions, and that article would be a valid redirect target for an admin to use as an ATD. Bearian (talk) 07:49, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Azhar Attari

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Mass created article by Lugnuts. Clear WP:NSPORTS fail as the only source cited is the Cricinfo database. No sources cited in the Urdu Wiki article. Nothing found in my WP:BEFORE going through to the 10th page of GHits. FOARP (talk) 17:58, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. This isn't someone who has played one or two matches: he played 76 FC matches and took 245 wickets. I have no doubt that there will be dozens and dozens of offline sources in Pakistani newspapers. In any case, the Cricinfo page referred to links to four articles itself. StAnselm (talk) 22:20, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
WP:NSPORTS2022 deprecated claims of notability based purely on participation (i.e., “they’re notable because they participated in X matches”). None of the Cricinfo articles give Attari significant coverage - they’re all match reports where he gets a passing mention. Attari is a 21st century player and Pakistan is now a country where more than half of the population has internet access: if there was significant coverage, it would be online. FOARP (talk) 06:39, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Rinaldo Capuzzi

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Mass created article by Lugnuts. DeProdded by BeanieFan11 with the comment "feels like there'd be coverage here". With the greatest respect to Beanie, whilst PRODs can be removed for any reason and none, "feels like" ain't enough to keep a page.

Fails WP:NSPORT since the only coverage is in a database and a passing mention in a wordpress blog. Nothing found in my WP:BEFORE paging through the four pages of GHits. No other sources found in the IT wiki page. FOARP (talk) 17:44, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nomination. -Samoht27 (talk) 23:31, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

If there were coverage of Capuzzi it'd be in Italian newspaper archives. Has any Italian newspaper archive been searched? It is quite likely a multi-time Italian national champion would have been covered in his day. BeanieFan11 (talk) 00:28, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. No hits on La Stampa archives. The onus is on those wanting to retain to find SPORTSCRIT-satisfying coverage. JoelleJay (talk) 04:50, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

List of international cricket five-wicket hauls by Bob Willis

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Fails WP:GNG due to lack of significant coverage in multiple, independent sources, of the specific topic of five-wicket hauls by this specific cricketer. Not viable as a split-list because split-lists have to have stand-alone notability per WP:AVOIDSPLIT. This appears to be a WP:SYNTH/WP:OR from primary sources. FOARP (talk) 13:53, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment - seems to me that this is somewhat similar to the AfD we had a while back on WG Grace, see WP:Articles for deletion/W. G. Grace's cricket career (1864 to 1870). The difference here appears to be substantive in that we are talking about a sporting achievement rather than trying to write a full autobiography. I've not yet come to a conclusion where I fall on this one but thought other contributors might appreciate seeing the other discussion. JMWt (talk) 15:57, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I feel like a proposal to delete a Featured List needs a stronger argument than this. In any case, it meets the long-agreed upon threshold of 15 fifers. StAnselm (talk) 18:01, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
A stronger argument than it not meeting our most basic PAGs? FOARP (talk) 20:56, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep. I have added a couple of references to the article, establishing the significance of his fifers as captain. StAnselm (talk) 22:04, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I see what you added here. It’s a passing mention in an article about Joe Root/Pat Cummins. Not significant coverage of Bob Willis. FOARP (talk) 06:44, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete and merge necessary content to the main article. Lorstaking (talk) 16:12, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. No evidence that the subject meets NLIST requirements for IRS SIGCOV. JoelleJay (talk) 20:13, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Kenechukwu Ambrose Nwankwo

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This subject is not eligible for an article here based on the references supplied. There are no sources elsewhere with which their notability can be demonstrated. And the subject is the creator of this article. There is a significant COI in the article Centuristic (talk) 13:02, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - WP:PROMO Wikipedia is not a means of promotion. — Maile (talk) 13:15, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: fails WP:SPORTBASIC. Mamani1990 (talk) 13:30, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Another "entrepreneur" that doesn't appear notable (being mentioned in media). Being a flag football player doesn't meet notability requirements. Another attempt at PROMO that falls flat. Oaktree b (talk) 14:18, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Fails WP:GNG or WP:NATHLETE. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 14:18, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, recreation of Kenny Nwankwo which I moved to draft, and was declined on 9 January. Fails WP:BIO, WP:NATHLETE and WP:GNG. Wikishovel (talk) 15:41, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Fails Wikipedia general Notability guidelines. Ibjaja055 (talk) 17:26, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per everyone above. Best, GPL93 (talk) 16:58, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: WP:AUTO and fails notability. DACartman (talk) 19:36, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete the fact that it's an autobiography that's triple orange-tagged (validly) is enough reason for me. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 21:57, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Played some Division III college ball and is now playing in a flag football league in Nigeria. Neither of those comes lose to showing notability. Cbl62 (talk) 01:17, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete The subject fails to meet WP:GNG and WP:NATHLETE due to insufficient coverage in reliable sources and lack of notable achievements. The article is promotional, likely an autobiography, and recreates previously declined content. WP:PROMO and WP:COI also apply.--Jaypung (talk) 16:40, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I think we've piled on enough here guys. I suggest someone close this. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 17:31, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, per all above. Fails WP:GNG. Ejgreen77 (talk) 00:13, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. In 2025, everyone knows that Wikipedia is not Facebook or LinkedIn. There's no significant coverage of (youth) flag football in Nigeria; it's subsumed under American football in Nigeria, with two citations. Bearian (talk) 07:54, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy delete AfD was not necessary for this. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 23:11, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Stephan Kuhl

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Mass-created article by Lugnuts. On the same day they created this article, they created at least 63 others (some will have been deleted in the meantime). Fails WP:NSPORTS. Prod declined on the grounds that an interview on the German Badminton Federation website (i.e., clearly not an independent RS), talks about media exposure, but since the subject was a commentator on TV for a short period that's probably what they were talking about, not actual media coverage of them per se. Nothing found in my WP:BEFORE. FOARP (talk) 11:39, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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The relevant part of the interview under question is the following: [Interviewer]: Would you say that there was a kind of badminton boom in Germany as a result of its inclusion in the Olympics? [Kuhl]: In the short term, I would say. We had a lot of media attention at the time. I had to fulfill more requests for autographs than ever before. But after six months, that was over... According to that article, he was a four-time German champion and he was also a bronze medalist at the European championship, and after his career he coached the women's national team. Further, Germany is a decent badminton-ing nation with a global ranking in the top 15. I think its almost certain there'd be coverage of him, especially since he's being interviewed by the national association decades after his career (even if its an interview, it shows that he was prominent enough that there's still interest in his career, which would indicate that there was surely interest – and coverage – back when he was active). The coverage would likely be in German newspapers of the time – has any German newspaper archive been searched? BeanieFan11 (talk) 00:40, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
"We" doesn't mean "he". I searched what was available online. Clearly no such database was searched when this article was created, and it is on those wishing to keep the article to find such sourcing. Only a single hit on the FAZ archive - a passing mention in a report about the pair Karen Stechmann and Michael Keck. Not sigcov. FOARP (talk) 10:04, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
But when he says We, referring to German badminton players in general, and he was the top German badminton player from the time (or, at the very least, one of the top four), would it make any sense at all that there wouldn't be coverage of him? Why would a governing body for a major German sport interview him decades after his career if he was such an insignificant figure that not even a single newspaper devoted coverage to him? As for FAZ, that I can find more passing mentions of him in American newspapers seems to indicate that the FAZ archive isn't very comprehensive – If we had a Newspapers.com-like site for Germany I'm certain that there'd be SIGCOV to find of him. BeanieFan11 (talk) 17:28, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
FAZ is the biggest German broadsheet and German newspaper of record. You're asserting the existence of something that doesn't necessarily exist based on an over-interpretation of a single phrase in an interview with something that isn't even proper news-media decades after the event.

It's for the people asserting that there is significant coverage to go and find the coverage, not ask that people should just take it on trust, especially considering the history of the article-creator. Alternatively WP:BEFORE searching has to be proportionate to the effort put in to substantiating the notability fo the topic when it was created. In this case the effort put in by the article-creator was patently near-zero - it was created in mere minutes, if that. FOARP (talk) 20:22, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
FAZ may be the biggest German newspaper, but saying Kuhl's confirmed non-notable by the basis of searching one newspaper is equivalent to saying that someone is non-notable because they weren't covered in The New York Times. It only makes sense that if a player says that his sport received a good deal of coverage, and that player was the best player in that sport, that that player would have received coverage (who else would be receiving coverage then to justify that statement?). I think that a governing body interviewing him decades after his career would indicate significance; if he was some no-name that not even a single newspaper would give coverage to, why would the governing body cover the person decades later? Do you think its likely that someone who was a four-time German champion in a major sport, as well as a bronze medalist at the continental championships, would not be covered somewhere? As for Alternatively WP:BEFORE searching has to be proportionate to the effort put in to substantiating the notability fo [sic] the topic when it was created, no it doesn't. Would you say then that it was inappropriate behavior that I've developed several of Lugnuts' stubs into GAs, some after they were AFDed? More importantly, I was able to find a source that mentioned his email, so I contacted him and hopefully he can respond if he's been the subject of any coverage in the past. BeanieFan11 (talk) 22:18, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Manop Leeprasansakul

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Declined prod that was redirected. I contested the redirect Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2025_January_8#Manop_Leeprasansakul. Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT and WP:NOLY. LibStar (talk) 02:57, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: Googling his name in Thai turns up a few hits in relation to his work as a police officer (his 2004 Master's thesis, 2008 news mentioning a transfer to the Inspector General's office, 2016 contact directory giving the rank of Pol.Lt.Col.) in addition to passing mentions in articles about Thailand in international sporting events[18][19], but nothing that could be considered in-depth. The latter two links indicate he's a gold medallist at the 1981 and 1989 SEA Games though. --Paul_012 (talk) 07:23, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sidy Ndiaye

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I can’t find in depth coverage of this player so it doesn’t look like he’s notable. Mccapra (talk) 14:40, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 00:06, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 19:47, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete—Fails WP:SIGCOV and WP:GNG rather clearly. Anwegmann (talk) 20:56, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ladislav Hirjak

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His professional career lasted only 22 minutes and he disappeared in the 2019–20 season. Regarding secondary sources, I found nothing better than a passing mention on Košice Online. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 15:59, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 19:47, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete—Per nom; fails WP:SIGCOV and WP:GNG. Anwegmann (talk) 20:58, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Andrew Howlett

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Fails WP:GNG. Could not find notable sources other than stats pages. The pages that link to it also don't provide good sources. Heart ^(talk) 02:01, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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*:Delete per nom. Helleniac (talk) 02:09, 14 January 2025 (UTC) Blocked sock. Shellwood (talk) 20:13, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

~~Delete~~ Redirect to List of Western Bulldogs players per below. This [20] is all I could find in Trove, which is not too suprising given he only played 2 games. I think by 1987 the VFL was mostly professional or at least semi-professional, but given that there's no coverage outside of databases I don't think he meets WP:ATHLETE. MCE89 (talk) 02:27, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect: Australian sources from 1987 are very poorly covered online. But I know this is a losing argument, the deletionists have won and destroyed the NAFL/SNG, so please just redirect it to List of Western Bulldogs players instead of deletion. The-Pope (talk) 04:25, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Good point, will change to redirect. MCE89 (talk) 04:33, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Mariana Serbezova

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Still fails SPORTSCRIT. Courtesy ping Geschichte Jay Cubby 04:39, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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What Bulgarian newspaper archives did you look in for this offline-era Olympic medalist and world silver medalist? BeanieFan11 (talk) 16:32, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Leýla Kuliýeva

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Fails notability, her achievements as athlete are not much and as an official her position is not something special to make attention. no much coverage about her in general. Sports2021 (talk) 01:43, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete My search found no significant independent coverage of her and I don't believe any of the sources in the article show WP:GNG is met. I saw nothing that shows WP:ANYBIO or any SNG is met. Papaursa (talk) 05:36, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Matt Norman (basketball)

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I am unable to find enough in-depth coverage from third-party sources to meet WP:GNG. The most I found was routine coverage like this game recap from the Grand Forks Herald or this short piece from Mid-Utah Radio. JTtheOG (talk) 01:05, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Marko Soldo

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This footballer has mostly played in the lower leagues of Austria and does not seem that notable. Only played 3.5 match for Wolfsberger. I was able to find a story about a "horror injury" and a subsequent local transfer announcement on a lower level. Note that Marko Soldo is also the name of a much more notable Croatian footballer. Geschichte (talk) 21:53, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 19:59, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete—Blatantly fails WP:GNG. Anwegmann (talk) 05:43, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Liu Yali (skier)

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A contested prod that was made a redirect. I contested redirect here:Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2025_January_6#Liu_Yali_(skier). Someone correctly pointed out there is no proper single target, as she competed in three events. She still fails WP:SPORTSCRIT and WP:NOLY. LibStar (talk) 22:23, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect, per WP:ATD, to China at the 1992 Winter Olympics#Alpine skiing, where this skier's three events are conveniently tabulated together, thus constituting a "proper single target". Ingratis (talk) 09:53, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to China at the 1992 Winter Olympics#Alpine skiing (with the history preserved under the redirect) per Wikipedia:Deletion policy#Alternatives to deletion. This article is titled "北京冬奥会中国代表团大名单水落石出！中国参赛项目大梳理" which is translated to "The list of the Chinese delegation for the Beijing Winter Olympics has been revealed! A comprehensive review of the events in which China will participate". The article says: "女子超级大回转第45名：刘亚丽 1992" which is translated to "Women's Super-G 45th: Liu Yali 1992" which is one of the 1992 Winter Olympics events Liu Yali completed in. I think Liu Yali's Chinese name is (simplified Chinese: 刘亚丽; traditional Chinese: 劉亞麗).
I found some coverage here in an article titled "全國冬運會滑雪賽崔志勇劉亞麗奪標" but it is not significant coverage. There is a person with the same name mentioned in this article who is the leader of the Heilongjiang Alpine Skiing Team but the article does not significant coverage. I was unable to find enough coverage to meet Wikipedia:Notability (people)#Basic criteria. Ingratis has identified a good single target for this page title to point to as an alternative to deletion.
A redirect with the history preserved under the redirect will allow editors to selectively merge any content that can be reliably sourced to the target article. A redirect with the history preserved under the redirect will allow the redirect to be undone if significant coverage in reliable sources is found in the future. Cunard (talk) 11:34, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hari Naoomal

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I can find no independent WP:SIGCOV of this cricketer to meet WP:GNG/WP:NSPORT. The independent coverage mentions him in the context of his father, who was a notable cricketer but from whom notability cannot be WP:INHERITED. Nor does he appear to meet the standard of WP:NCRICKET of playing at the international level. Obviously he played in an era without digital coverage, so if you find qualifying sources not accessible in a BEFORE search, please ping me. Dclemens1971 (talk) 15:39, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Zdenko Filípek

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Filípek played a total of 411 minutes for a now-defunct club before disappearing for one decade. Two only secondary sources I found are Teraz and Netky, neither of which covering him in-depth. Corresponding article on Slovak Wikipedia is just a dumping ground. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 12:28, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete—Clearly fails WP:GNG. Anwegmann (talk) 02:11, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 19:58, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Stephen Weah

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This is the only thing at all I can find on this player. Even databases are coming up with nothing. Although the only source is WP:SIGCOV, I don't think it's enough to meet WP:GNG standards. Anwegmann (talk) 02:25, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to George Weah#Personal life – As WP:ATD. Svartner (talk) 02:40, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Smart move. Anwegmann (talk) 02:47, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Redirect to George Weah#Personal life per WP:NOTINHERITED. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 15:59, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - no evidence of notability. Don't think a redirect is worthwhile. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 19:59, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Irfan Adelbi

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Since the last AfD, we no longer grant Olympians automatic notability as per WP:NOLY. This person fails WP:SPORTSCRIT. LibStar (talk) 22:33, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. No obvious notability, more obvious lack thereof. Geschichte (talk) 09:19, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect, per WP:ATD, to Jordan at the 1984 Summer Olympics#Shooting; not an implausible search term. Ingratis (talk) 12:29, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect as per Ingratis. Adamtt9 (talk) 14:57, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Amr Khaled Bibo

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Unable to find any in depth coverage of this player. Mccapra (talk) 18:56, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 21:36, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

has made appearances as senior for one blue-linked club Mohamedmokhtar22 (talk) 11:49, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

That is totally irrelevant per WP:NSPORTS2022. Anwegmann (talk) 02:13, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I wasn't participating in said discussion, but have to say the reason is because not all generations of football players receive significant coverage. This might be just a theory. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 13:35, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete—Fails WP:SIGCOV and thus WP:GNG. Anwegmann (talk) 02:12, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 19:58, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Lukáš Hušek

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Doesn't appear to meet the general notability guideline. Coverage is limited to joining an academy in England, never played professionally in the English game, and was limited to a low number of matches in his native Czech Republic before apparently finishing altogether in 2023. C 679 14:25, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 15:16, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. FromCzech (talk) 18:12, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete—Per above. Nothing here. Possible WP:TOOSOON, but at 24, I think we're past that. Anwegmann (talk) 03:13, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 19:58, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I was about to say WP:TOOSOON until I realised how quickly the years have gone. This player either retired at 23 or has been unemployed for 18 months, both meaning the hype is not real. Soccerway said he played for five minutes in the Czech top flight, clearly not WP:GNG when hundreds of players do 18 times that every weekend. Unknown Temptation (talk) 12:00, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Khaled Azaiez

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Bio of a footballer where most of the content is unsourced. Both sources in the article indicate that the subject was not n the team that won the Africa cup of nations in 2004 so there is literally nothing here that is sourced. A search for sources is complicated by the fact that there’s a Saudi player of the same name, but I don’t see in-depth coverage of this subject. Articles on ithe4 wikis are just sourced to databases. Mccapra (talk) 04:17, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - he won AFCON, the premier tournament in Africa. Really poor nomination. Giant Snowman 12:59, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep—Bad article, but certainly a notable player. Anwegmann (talk) 03:10, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - I couldn't find any SIGCOV in Arabic- or French-language sources for Azaiez. He did make a single appearance for Tunisia at the 2004 AFCON, but it was in a final group stage match after Tunisia clinched progress after winning its first two group stage matches and fielded a largely reserve side in that match. I found that he also played in a single AFCON qualifier (according to RSSSF), but otherwise only appeared in a handful of friendlies. We can't really say much else about this footballer as there are no other online sources available. Jogurney (talk) 19:50, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per Jogourney. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 15:53, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ahmad Magdy

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There’s another Ahmed Magdy who played for Zamalek who is notable, but this one doesn’t seem to be. Mccapra (talk) 04:21, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 06:41, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 13:00, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete—Clearly fails WP:GNG. Anwegmann (talk) 03:12, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hassan Abu Al-Maati

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Youth player promoted to full team training. No in-depth coverage. Mccapra (talk) 04:24, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 06:41, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 13:00, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete—Clearly fails WP:GNG. Anwegmann (talk) 03:12, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Mahmoud El Shenawy

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No in depth coverage I could find except for the one proper source included, so subject does not appear notable. Mccapra (talk) 04:26, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 06:41, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 13:00, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete—Clearly fails WP:GNG. Anwegmann (talk) 03:12, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

John Bonetti

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Fails WP:SPORTSBASIC/WP:GNG. Poker player article referenced entirely to poker playing database website which is not usable towards notability post the RFC. Likewise bluffmedia.com is not a reliable source.4meter4 (talk) 04:50, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Aaron Feltham (curling)

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a Canadian curler, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTBASIC. JTtheOG (talk) 20:00, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Does not meet WP:CURLING either. -- Earl Andrew - talk 04:24, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Serhiy Paliukh

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Non-notable football (fails GNG) ☮️Counter-Strike:Mention 269🕉️^{(🗨️ ● ✉️ ● 📔)} 14:55, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Didn't find any coverage, fails GNG. CNC (talk) 16:50, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 12:55, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete—The user who created this article tends to create articles for existence rather notability, and this is a perfect example of it. Anwegmann (talk) 03:09, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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List of Indian Premier League awards

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All this stuff can be and should be included within List of Indian Premier League records and statistics - similar to every other cricket leagues. Also, this page is just WP:NOTSTATS. Vestrian24Bio 04:28, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. It's unusual that I simply say, per nom, but in this case that applies. A redirect might be possible and might just stop this article getting re-created Blue Square Thing (talk) 15:54, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete just because the IPL takes every stat is can think of an then sells someone sponsorship for an "award" for it, that doesn't mean we need this awards article. All sufficiently covered in the stats article. Joseph2302 (talk) 17:50, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. The closest analog is Women's Big Bash League, the longest-standing women's T20 franchise league. Women's Big Bash League#Season summaries has a table listing the recipients of the "Most runs", "Most wickets", "Player of the Tournament", and "Young Gun" awards for each season, essentially the same as IPL's "Orange Cap", "Purple Cap", "Most Valuable Player", and "Emerging Player" awards covered in this article. IPL's Orange and Purple Caps have also received significant independent coverage in major cricket news websites, such as ESPNcricinfo. The merge target proposed by @Vestrian24Bio, List of Indian Premier League records and statistics has a different scope, focusing on all-time records, analogous to Women's Big Bash League#Statistics and records. Finally, merging to Indian Premier League#Awards is not an option here as the main IPL article is 173,624 bytes (almost twice the size of the corresponding WBBL article). I would support the removal of sections covering sponsored awards of negligible importance — I would be surprised if the Visit Saudi beyond the boundary longest six award has received much independent coverage — but let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater here. Preimage (talk) 12:52, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Preimage: Not sure how this is relevant to WBBL, but even WBBL doesn't have separate articles for this... And also ESPNcricinfo isn't a news website but a WP:ROUTINE coverage. Vestrian24Bio 12:58, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Vestrian24Bio, you stated similar to every other cricket [league] — which is manifestly not the case. ESPNcricinfo (together with The Cricket Monthly, its longform magazine) is widely considered to be one of the top non-paywalled websites covering cricket. Even Wisden's weighted in here — admittedly, the first hit I found was an article on how cricket's long-standing focus on aggregate runs is statistically illiterate and should be replaced with Moneyball-style advanced metrics — but the point is that these awards are considered to be conventionally important. I'd support a merge into Indian Premier League if we could combine the 4/5 most important awards into a single table as the WBBL article manages to do. Merging into the records and statistics article isn't really an option though, its scope is just too different. Preimage (talk) 13:18, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Awards like Orange Cap, Purple Cap and MVP are all noteworthy and covered widely not only in India but outside India too: [21] [22] [23] [24] [25] [26] [27]. In India, any changes to the holders of these caps and leaderboards receive extensive coverage throughout the season: [28] [29] [30] [31]. In fact, the caps are physically worn on the field by their current holders over the course of the tournament, so these are actual awards with significance and not just stats. As such, merging this article with the proposed target would not be appropriate. A like-for-like comparison would be the FIFA World Cup awards article which covers awards such as Golden Ball, Golden Boot and Golden Glove. The delete voters sound a lot like WP:IDONTLIKEIT and WP:IDONTKNOWIT. Yuvaank (talk) 18:51, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

WP:AGF, my vote is based on this being a WP:CFORK of the stats article. I know what all these "awards" are. Joseph2302 (talk) 22:35, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Except it isn't a WP:CFORK of the stats article and are actual notable awards as can be seen with the sources I presented. Your usage of double quotes for the word awards just goes to illustrate WP:IDONTKNOWIT unfortunately. Yuvaank (talk) 20:03, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Also, FIFA World Cup awards won't even be a proper comparison as it's an international competition as opposed to IPL which is a domestic competition. Vestrian24Bio 03:23, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Whether it is a domestic competition or international is besides the point. The basic premise of your nomination is that these awards are not notable and are merely stats. I presented sources from 6 different countries that prove that these are indeed awards–notable ones at that–which have received sustained coverage globally over the years. FWIW, here are some awards from domestic competitions: La Liga Awards, Premier League Golden Boot, Premier League Golden Glove, Bundesliga Awards. You also invoked WP:CONSISTENT in your nomination statement, which is a policy on article titles. Yuvaank (talk) 19:59, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

WP:NOTINHERIT, individual coverage of Orange Cap and Purple Cap wouldn't make the list notable. Vestrian24Bio 01:43, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

WP:NOTINHERIT is an essay and not a guideline/policy set in stone. The notability of the list itself is established by articles such as Scroll.in, The Indian Express, India Today, News18 and Wisden. It is seems individual articles on Indian Premier League Orange Cap and Indian Premier League Purple Cap, which were created by @Magentic Manifestations back in 2015, were merged into this list by @Vin09. I can see the reasoning behind the merge, although these two awards are likely to be notable in their own right. Yuvaank (talk) 09:31, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - People arguing for this topic being notable are arguing on the basis of individual items listed in it being notable, but notability is not inherited. Neither can an sub-topic inherit the notability of an over-arching topic, nor can an over-arching topic inherit the notability of sub-topics within it. Fails WP:LISTN. FOARP (talk) 15:30, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for pointing that out. IPL's yearly awards are presented as part of the post-match ceremony at the end of each IPL final. They are covered as a group each year in regular news coverage of the final (e.g. [32]), as well as in post-season articles like [33] (comparing ESPNcricinfo's own set of awards to the official IPL 2023 Orange Cap, Purple Cap, Player of the Final, and Player of the Tournament awards). Preimage (talk) 02:08, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

As a side note, I'd appreciate it if you could also comment on the merge suggestions: the original nominator's comment All this stuff can be and should be included within List of Indian Premier League records and statistics sounds like a proposed merge (to be posted at WP:PM) rather than an AfD nomination to me. If you do consider a merge appropriate, I'd argue that Indian Premier League#Awards would be the best target (as this list was a WP:SUBARTICLE split off for reasons of length), but I'm open to other suggestions: you clearly have more policy expertise in this space than I do. Preimage (talk) 02:08, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'd be OK with a redirect/merge - it's verifiable content. Not sure about those sources: the first seems to be about the ceremony, the second about Cricinfo's stats. FOARP (talk) 09:13, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Re: sourcing, I'm working off WP:SIGCOV, which states "Significant coverage" addresses the topic directly and in detail, ... [it] is more than a trivial mention, but it does not need to be the main topic of the source material. The topic of the article we are looking at is 'who won the IPL awards each season?'

The first source is titled IPL 2024 final awards and prize money: Complete list of winners including Orange Cap, Purple Cap and more. It's a beat report to inform readers 'who won stuff last night?', which starts by covering the events of the final, before switching to the award winners. It has a paragraph covering (what it presumably considers to be) the three most important awards, the Orange Cap, Purple Cap, and Emerging Player of the Season, then provides a full list of winners. While the article doesn't go into a huge amount of detail on each award besides listing its monetary value, the list of award winners shares primary-topic status with the winners of the final.

The second source is an ESPNCricinfo post-season analytics article discussing who they consider to be the most impactful players from the 2023 season. It closely references the major IPL award-winners, starting with its opening phrase: Faf du Plessis, and not Shubman Gill, is the most valuable player of the IPL 2023. It reminds readers that Shubman Gill won the MVP and Orange Cap awards two paragraphs later: The Player-of-the-Tournament and the Orange Cap winner Gill was part of a team that had more batters who took up the slack, before noting the Emerging Player of the Season, Yashasvi Jaiswal, was 3rd in their ranking. After more batting discussion, it switches to the bowlers: Mohammed Shami - the Purple Cap winner - came second to Siraj in terms of Bowling Impact per match. While the IPL awards are only a secondary topic of this article, it discusses the four most important/prestigious season-length player award-winners in detail, alongside comparisons to the players their analytics suggest were statistically the best. Preimage (talk) 02:32, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
ESPNcricinfo sources fall under WP:ROUTINE coverage. Vestrian24Bio 03:03, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The ESPNcricinfo article we've been discussing here is clearly an in-depth news/analytics article (WP:INDEPTH), rather than WP:ROUTINE event coverage. To quote @Black Kite from the latest (2023) WP:RSN discussion in which Cricinfo/ESPNcricinfo is mentioned, WP:Reliable sources/Noticeboard/Archive 417#Reliability of cricket databases:
You're assuming that both sites are purely databases. They aren't. They're actually some of the highest quality sources for cricket, regardless of the fact that their websites also include databases.

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WP:NOTINHERIT is an essay though, not a policy or guideline. The list's notability can be established by articles such as Scroll.in, The Indian Express, India Today, News18 and Wisden. Yuvaank (talk) 10:00, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Jonah Herscu

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I am unable to find enough in-depth coverage of this assistant basketball coach to meet WP:GNG. The most I found was coverage from his days as a high school basketball player (1), which I think would fail WP:YOUNGATH anyways. JTtheOG (talk) 02:31, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete as per nom. Herscu gets quoted a lot, but is not the subject of news articles. Does not meet WP:SPORTBASIC SallyRenee (talk) 03:19, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Cayden Lee

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I am unable to find sufficient in-depth coverage of this college football player to meet WP:GNG. There is this routine story on his college choice and a couple mentions here. Both are by the same author from The Clarion-Ledger, so they would count as one source even if they were SIGCOV. There are also pieces from team-specific blogs written by non-notable sportswriters such as this piece by a writing intern from Ole Miss Rebels on SI, this piece by a longtime team blogger from The Ole Miss Spirit, or this piece by an Ole Miss senior from The Rebel Walk. JTtheOG (talk) 20:47, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Draftify. I kind of expected more coverage, since he seems to have had decent stats so far for Ole Miss (a big program). However, he is still young (only a sophomore) and it seems he's poised to be Ole Miss's top receiver next year (per this, albeit a FanSided blog), so there will almost certainly be more coverage of him in the near future. BeanieFan11 (talk) 21:06, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
That's a good point. 57 catches for almost 900 yards and two tuddys is not a bad year at all, especially in the SEC. I was surprised as well. JTtheOG (talk) 21:28, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
That's modern sports journalism for you. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 21:45, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify: Like others, I was surprised that I couldn't find more coverage about the subject, but that is the way it goes sometimes. Draftify this for the time being as there should be more coverage at some point, it just isn't here now. Let'srun (talk) 16:21, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. 900 receiving yards for Lee in 2024 at a major progam. That would make him a star at most programs, but Tre Harris is the Rebels No. 1 receiver and probably dominated the coverage. I did find some coverage for Lee and would expect there to be more. See [34], [35], [36], [37], [38], [39]. Cbl62 (talk) 01:13, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Here's one I found. Part of it is paywalled but it looks like SIGCOV from the part I can see. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 02:48, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Here's the full version, which is probably SIGCOV. BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:02, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Michael Pustilnik

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Relies entirely on primary sources. Fails WP:GNG.4meter4 (talk) 02:45, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Richard O'Connell (racehorse trainer)

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The cited sources either don't mention the subject at all or only in passing. They don't verify the content in the article. Perhaps there was link rot of some kind? Fails WP:SIGCOV.4meter4 (talk) 02:54, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Steven O'Mahoney-Schwartz

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Relies entirely on primary and non-independent sources. Fails WP:SIGCOV.4meter4 (talk) 03:01, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Nels Van Patten

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Fails WP:SPORTSBASIC and WP:GNG. He is only mentioned in passing in the articles currently used. His father and brother are notable. Appears to be a case of WP:NOTINHERITED.4meter4 (talk) 20:21, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Edward Bradbrooke

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Bare mentions only, as in previous AFD. — Moriwen (talk) 17:44, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Two of the references clearly state personal information about him and not just bare mentions. Furthermore he represented Great Britain, England and competed at the Commonwealth games, I can't see an issue with notability because of this. ApricotFoot (talk) 17:51, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I can see practically all except one is a paid subscription, making it hard to verify. Cooldudeseven7 _{join in on the tea talk} 17:51, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment ref examples, ref2 states = The high jump was won by Edward Bradbrooke of Cambridge University and the Achilles Club. he is the son of Dr Bradbrooke of Bletchley and has represented England. He cleared 6 feet. ref 9 states= A memorable Event: The athletic sports were of their usual excellence and the last event, the high jump will not be forgotten by the spectators whose rapt attention was held by a duel between Edward Bradbrooke and E Turner, of Earlstown Viaduct, both of whom were due on the morrow to start on the journey across the Atlantic to represent their country.ApricotFoot (talk) 18:00, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment I don't think that WP:BEFORE was followed correctly for this AfD. Per WP:AFD#After nominating: Notify interested projects and editors, @Moriwen, please add relevant WikiProjects to the article's talk page before nominating it for deletion. This article had no WikiProjects tagged so its deletion wouldn't appear on relevant article alerts pages like Wikipedia:WikiProject Athletics/Article alerts. --Habst (talk) 22:58, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep based on the provided newspaper sources quoted above. It's also worth mentioning that the subject meets WP:NATH for his 5th-place finish at the 1930 Commonwealth Games. --Habst (talk) 12:29, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. If the extent of the coverage in the paywalled refs are similar to the bare mentions in routine recaps quoted above, then the subject is nowhere close to meeting SPORTCRIT and GNG. Also a note that the suggestion to notify interested projects after nominating an AfD is absolutely not a requirement and is in fact very rare for nominators to do, and there is also zero obligation for a nominator to make sure every relevant project has been added to an article's talk page. JoelleJay (talk) 19:16, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@JoelleJay, this wasn't a case of just one or two WikiProjects being missing – the article had no projects tagged at all. There is always an obligation to follow Wikipedia policies and guidelines to the best of your ability barring IAR, and I don't think they were followed in this case. --Habst (talk) 20:07, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
1. There is zero requirement for an article talk page be tagged with projects (and if there was it would be the responsibility of the article creator).
2. The section you link states it is sufficient to list an article for discussion at AfD. It in no way obliges a nominator to notify anyone; in fact this nonexistent responsibility is equally shared by the "and others" in nominators and others sometimes want to attract more attention.
3. The section you link isn't even part of BEFORE. JoelleJay (talk) 20:43, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@JoelleJay, I think there is a misunderstanding. I never used the words "requirement" or "obligation" in my original comment, you are using those words. The full sentence of your quote says (emphasis mine), "While it is sufficient to list an article for discussion at AfD (see above), nominators and others sometimes want to attract more attention from and participation by informed editors." Simply adding relevant WikiProjects to an article's talk page fulfills the point in the "Notify interested projects and editors" section hence the suggestion. Part of WP:BEFORE section C prong 3 is to address issues with associated WikiProjects, which adding the tags is one way of doing. I don't think that point was followed in this case. --Habst (talk) 21:46, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
You are accusing the nom of having "not followed BEFORE correctly" and stated there is "always an obligation to follow" P&Gs which you think was "not followed in this case". The items you are complaining about the nom not following do not exist anywhere in BEFORE, which isn't even a P&G. "Not having talk page project tags" is obviously not an issue with the article that would affect whether it should be nominated, hence why project tags are not mentioned until the "nominators and others sometimes want..." suggestion in AFTER. JoelleJay (talk) 00:18, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
You're using very harsh words like "accuse" to characterize my statements that I never used. Whether Wikipedia procedures are followed is often subjective, and in this case I don't think relevant WikiProjects were sufficiently notified so I fixed the issue myself. Notifying WikiProjects about article issues is in WP:BEFORE C3, and AFD (which includes BEFORE and AFTER) is the policy-based way that we delete pages here via WP:Deletion policy. Adding WP banners is part of the article improvement process and there's no reason to discourage that in this case. --Habst (talk) 12:43, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
There is no obligation that nominators notify WikiProjects. You chastised the nom about tagging projects as if not doing so was a deviation from our P&Gs when it is not even an expectation in the non-P&G BEFORE. The suggestion to consider whether the article can be improved through asking projects about specific issues is not an instruction that one should do so, and, given that tagging projects is only mentioned in a mild recommendation for any interested editors AFTER the AfD goes live, doesn't even encompass that action. JoelleJay (talk) 18:20, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@JoelleJay, I didn't use the word "obligation" because it's a funny word in that we're all volunteers here so the best we can do is try our best. I greatly respect your work as well as the nominator's; was simply saying that notifying relevant parties about an AfD that could be contentious is a positive thing to do that should be encouraged, and it wasn't done in this case. --Habst (talk) 19:33, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
There is always an obligation to follow Wikipedia policies and guidelines to the best of your ability barring IAR, and I don't think they were followed in this case. JoelleJay (talk) 20:50, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I didn't use the word "obligation" in my original comment at Special:Diff/1269077727. The one you're quoting was in response to you using that word. Like I said, it's a funny word to use for sure other than in a context of saying we should try our best, which is what I was communicating there. --Habst (talk) 21:19, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep sufficient secondary sources and Wikipedia:NATH.Racingmanager (talk) 15:10, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ashley Wright (snooker player)

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No notable success in pro game. Very short career. Fails GNG. Canary757 (talk) 18:08, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Paolo Rossi (footballer, born 1982)

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This AfD might be the same issue as Juan Alberto Ramírez that was nominated back in November. Even by searching for his name in combination of clubs he played for, I did not find any significant coverage of Paolo Rossi (footballer, born 1982) to meet WP:GNG. He only played one match for Torino in 2001/02 season, one of the professional football clubs in Italy, before moving to amateur leagues then disappeared for over two decades. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 14:48, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep – The fact that he is a homonym hinders the search, but it is still possible to confirm the athlete's career at the first levels of Italian football. [40], [41], [42]. Svartner (talk) 18:43, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. Sources above from Svartner are 2 x database and 1 x profile from the league he played in. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 21:59, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
ilcalcio provides detailed information, but I agree that more informative sources are missing. Svartner (talk) 07:26, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Wrong. Those are database sources which do not count towards significant coverage. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 14:42, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
You clearly didn't read the source, or are you confused with Tutto Calciatore. There is a good coverage of the athlete's career and not just statistical data. The problem is that as I explained, the player is a homonym, so additional sources to ensure WP:SIGCOV are harmed/difficult to search. It's a more complex case than usual. Svartner (talk) 20:57, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Svartner, Il Calcio is AI-generated. JoelleJay (talk) 23:39, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Weak delete—Although I agree that the sources listed above are "not nothing," they are not WP:SIGCOV in my view. Anwegmann (talk) 02:51, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep I think we have the bare minimum of sourcing. I did find some passing mentions in an Italian source search which are definitely him from his Serie B days. SportingFlyer T·C 03:38, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Where are the exact references? Passing mentions obviously don't count towards significant coverage. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 13:34, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Il Calcio is clearly an AI-generated summary of his stats (as are all profiles on that site; GPTzero gave all the ones I tested 100% probability of being AI-generated). LegaPro is a blog network, and anyway it's a routine transfer announcement of mostly quotes. Tutto Calciatori is a database. JoelleJay (talk) 18:01, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Kara Mupo

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I am unable to find sufficient in-depth coverage of this American lacrosse player to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTBASIC. The most I found was this, which isn't much at all. There's also some quotes from her here. JTtheOG (talk) 02:56, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Sommer Ray

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Her page is barebones and you can't expand it with anything that isn't promo content. She clearly isn't notable enough. Strawberries1 (talk) 03:12, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment @Strawberries1: For future AfDs, you may want to make sure that this is transcluded on the log page and that you notify the article's creator. I’ve done that for you this time, but there are also instructions on WP:AFDHOWTO. SK2242 (talk) 00:39, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Keep - The sourcing isn’t amazing (People Magazine being the best one there) but it scrapes past WP:GNG. SK2242 (talk) 00:51, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Weak keep per SK2242. A hard one to assess because there's so much coverage of her, it's just than 99% of it is useless garbage. But agree that there's enough in marginally reliable sources that she probably scrapes past WP:GNG. Hard to tell whether all of these meet WP:RS, but here are a few more articles about her that at least have a bylined reporter and seem not terrible: [43] [44] [45] [46] [47] MCE89 (talk) 02:16, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Two of those links are just about who she dated, which is irrelevant. She dated MGK, so what? And Taylor Holder is a nobody. Her having a dating podcast that she no longer goes on isn't relevant, either. The Seventeen article is probably the best link there, but it's not like there's a page for Imaraïs. If there was actually "so much coverage of her" (relevant coverage, anyway), then you'd actually be able to expand this article with credible sources. Strawberries1 (talk) 00:51, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure I follow what you mean by the subject matter being irrelevant or useless, Strawberries1? As long as it is SIGCOV of her, it doesn't matter what we think of the subject matter - the fact that there's coverage about who she's dating or that she had a podcast is fine to count towards WP:GNG as long as it meets the other requirements. And your personal beliefs like Taylor Holder being "a nobody" definitely aren't things that we can consider when assessing notability. The only requirements are that that there is significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. Is there one of those requirements that you think isn't met here? MCE89 (talk) 01:20, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Keep The subject passes WP:GNG's multiple non-trivial guideline, and that's all there is to it. This may be the most common debate on AfD: Whether an article that is barely notable is instead not notable...but "barely notable" by definition means notable. This article is about a very minor celebrity who nevertheless has made the news. -Markeer 01:23, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Markeer, WP:N says even notable topics can be deleted if they fail NOT or aren't encyclopedic. BLP also requires we use the highest-quality sources. I would argue an article that can only really contain a timeline of someone's dating history based on pure tabloid churnalism does not warrant inclusion. JoelleJay (talk) 01:41, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
This isn't really a hill I'm going to die on as I'll re-iterate that I believe the celebrity to be a minor one, but to address your argument that BLP requires highest-quality sources, I'll remind you that, intuitive or not, both People Magazine and the Hollywood Reporter are listed in green ("reliable") on Wikipedia's list of Perennial sources (and Cosmopolitan is yellow for situationally reliable). I happen to personally agree that I would not trust those news sources on e.g. critical political news or world affairs, but Wikipedia consensus judges them to be reliable sources when discussing celebrity news.-Markeer 01:54, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not particularly attached to this either, I just wanted to point out that per NOPAGE and NOT the existence of coverage doesn't mean we have to include the subject of that coverage in a standalone. I interpreted your !vote as leaning toward the "sigh, I guess we have to have an article" direction and figured the above was worth pointing out. I think a decent argument can also be made that the depth of the coverage is also very lacking (gossip about IG posts suggestive of relationships). Regarding People, the last major discussion on it was in 2014, about the magazine rather than the online posts, and the gist of it was leaning more toward "probably reliable for straightforward facts, gossipy material on celebrity relationships is likely UNDUE". I'm of the opinion that there's still a difference between RS and high-quality RS, and articles on BLPs should be based on the latter. JoelleJay (talk) 20:05, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. The People article is basically entirely just relaying what she's said, no secondary discussion. The Seventeen and Cosmo "articles" are tabloid trash—essentially nothing encyclopedic in either of them. Nine has almost zero info on her that isn't in quotes. THR has about one sentence on Ray, the rest is announcing a podcast she cohosts. Same with WWD, about some "vitamin gummies" racket she's the "face" of. Per NOPAGE, coverage existing does not mean we have to have an article! JoelleJay (talk) 01:33, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete little to no serious third party coverage.-KH-1 (talk)
Delete — (moderate) — Fails SIGCOV, and -- while it may not be immediately apparent given the vast number of articles apparently out-there -- I believe the vast majority fail WP:RS. WP:CONTINUEDCOVERAGE may also be an issue, here. I would also take issue with what certain editors consider SIGCOV; SIGCOV is defined as "...address[ing] the topic directly and in detail... and is more than a trivial mention, but it does not need to be the main topic of the source material." Further, I would also contend that we're getting into WP:NOTGOSSIP territory with many/most of these sources. I would second JoelleJay's contention that the encyclopedic aspect of Wikipedia must be respected and acknowledged and that WP:RS is indeed a fantastic hill to die on, if any. MWFwiki (talk) 00:43, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - we could expand it with more information on her role in Save the Kids coin scandal. Bearian (talk) 03:18, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
She had no role beyond giving it a small endorsement. Strawberries1 (talk) 06:26, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The criteria is significant coverage in reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject, and the sources seem to fail the analysis, evaluation, interpretation, or synthesis of WP:SECONDARY. Being such lazy regurgitations of primary sources (social media mainly) also makes intellectual independence questionable, in the same vein as interview responses. I don't believe this meets our inclusion criteria even without leaning on WP:NOT. Delete. Alpha3031 (t • c) 13:06, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Noémie Silberer

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Non-notable figure skater. Bgsu98 (Talk) 04:52, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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There's a three-minute video [48] on the Tribune de Genève website. --Moscow Connection (talk) 04:19, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep
Here's a news article: [49]. One more: [50]. One more: [51].
A news article in German about her retiting: [52]. (Just one paragraph, but it's like a mini biography.)
And there are lots of sentence examples featuring her on Linguee.fr: [53]. Sentences from skating.cn and swissolympic.ch. Certainly, there were some articles mentioning her on the internet long ago, but they got deleted since. --Moscow Connection (talk)
Comment: Looking at the sources provided in this discussion, the first article is WP:SIGCOV as it provides multiple paragraphs of coverage about the subject, but the rest of the sources appear to be merely mentions or lack any depth (a couple of sentences at most are actually about the subject). Without evidence of actual significant coverage, we can't have an article on a BLP. Let'srun (talk) 14:09, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: I've added updates and removed the outstanding issues in the article.

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Delete. I disagree that the first article has SIGCOV, as it is almost entirely just reporting what Silberer said/felt. Only the first sentence and part of the penultimate sentence contain secondary coverage. Everything else is routine news or non-independent. JoelleJay (talk) 18:14, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: As I noted earlier in my source analysis, this BLP appears to lack the requisite WP:SIGCOV to meet the WP:GNG. Let'srun (talk) 00:14, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Cindy Carquillat

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Non-notable figure skater. While she did finish in first place at the 2004 Swiss Championships, her score was too low to be awarded the title of Swiss Champion. I found this one article where she was mentioned in passing as now coaching. I'll let the community decide whether that qualifies as "significant coverage". Bgsu98 (Talk) 04:45, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Additionally, there is no corresponding article on the German Wikipedia. Bgsu98 (Talk) 04:46, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Some news articles: [54] ("Kurioses ereignete sich bei den Frauen. Cindy Carquillat belegte zwar Rang 1, der Titel wurde ihr allerdings nicht vergeben, weil sie in den Kür-Noten nicht den erforderlichen Schnitt von 4,8 erreichte. Dies ist bei den Frauen noch nie vorgekommen, seit sie 1931 erstmals am nationalen Championat zugelassen worden waren."), [55] (about her qualifying for the Junior Worlds in 2005).
Keep. After all, she did finish first in the national championships. Per WP:NSKATE and WP:GNG too. (She competed almost 20 years ago, she definitely had something written about her in the media back then.) --Moscow Connection (talk) 04:40, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
There may be something here → [56], but the site doesn't open for me. (I'm tired of this, many sites seem to block Russian IPs, it's impossible to search like this.) --Moscow Connection (talk) 04:40, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment The first source provided has a few sentences, the second one is an article about her, albeit a very short one about her qualifying. The third one that blocked the IP appears to be about changes in the scoring system and is not about her. This SUBJECT appears to be below SIGCOV levels at the moment. In addition I have found a couple of brief mentions in the french media sites la region and arcinfo but well below what is needed to prove GNG. I will have another look later at this one.Canary757 (talk) 07:19, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  There are 94 hits for her on e-newspaperarchives.ch. Most look minor but may need a french speaker to judge as some appear to be longer.Canary757 (talk) 09:57, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Very far from SIGCOV. Both articles mentioned above are routine event results, from the same news site, and the latter is a couple-sentence announcement about a junior career event so is even further from counting toward GNG. JoelleJay (talk) 19:16, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Nicole Nönnig

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Non-notable figure skater; PROD removed. Bgsu98 (Talk) 08:30, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Found several mentions, but none with significant coverage. Aona1212 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 12:55, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete No SIGCOV found on search, failing GNG.Canary757 (talk) 17:50, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  Comment I was aware of two of the sources mentioned below when I made my original vote and I am reaffirming it.Canary757 (talk) 07:15, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I see there's a German wiki version too, which makes sense since the subject is German, but i hazily think of the German wikipedia as being tougher on notability. Both the en and de version were created by the same editor. In any event, i see some german news mentions of her, but not significant and she didn't have international wins that would make me think an article surely must exist on her.--Milowent • ^hasspoken 21:22, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete: Cannot find any significant coverage.
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Here's something about her in a book: [57]. --Moscow Connection (talk) 01:57, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
One paragraph and a half here: [58]. One paragraph here: [59].
These paragraphs don't constitute significant coverage, but it's still something. So I've decided to leave the links here. (Der Spiegel and some German sites don't open for me, but you can search for "Nicole Nönnig Eiskunstlauf".) --Moscow Connection (talk) 02:00, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I have found the article used as a reference in the Web Archive, here →→→ [60]. That's a complete biography for you.
Strong keep. (Considering that she competed more than 20 years ago and that that time's figure skating articles are impossible to find.) --Moscow Connection (talk) 03:07, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Subject does not appear to have the WP:SIGCOV to meet the WP:GNG. Of the sources provided by Moscow Connection, while I can't view the book source the articles in order are (1) a couple of sentences briefly mentioning the skaker and her partner finishing second to last at a tournament, with no additional detail (2) a passing mention in an tournament recap and (3) a substantial bio about the subject and her partner, which while this is WP:SIGCOV with only one usable source there isn't nearly enough for this BLP to meet the guidelines. Please ping me if more coverage can be found as I am open to changing my vote should more/better coverage be found. Let'srun (talk) 15:57, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: per nom, the subject lacks notability. There isn't enough WP:SIGCOV to meet WP:GNG. I agree with Let'srun's analysis - even with the bio found by Moscow Connection, it's only one source, and a so-so one at that. There's just not enough coverage to justify an article at this time.--DesiMoore (talk) 15:51, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Silvia Dimitrov

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Non-notable figure skater. Bgsu98 (Talk) 08:28, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. notable 204.76.149.2 (talk) 20:43, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. Deleting this person would create 14 redlinks across the site on various pages related to figure skating and various events. This person is notable.

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It would create zero redlinks; the links are removed. If you believe this person qualifies as notable, please provide evidence. Bgsu98 (Talk) 14:55, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Notable because worlds and Euros 204.76.149.2 (talk) 20:45, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Jens ter Laak

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Non-notable figure skater. Bgsu98 (Talk) 08:22, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Max Glasser

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Am I missing something here? I can find a lot of announcements and "local" coverage, either from USL, FC Naples, or UC Davis, but there doesn't seem to be any WP:SIGCOV on this player. Possibly WP:TOOSOON, but still seems to fail WP:GNG. Anwegmann (talk) 02:36, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Draftify/Merge - I had created Draft:Max Glasser back in 2023 (relevant to this discussion it was moved back to draft space in March 2023) but no one had edited it since August 2024. It seems that the creator of this article may have missed the draft article, so while this version we're commenting on can't technically be moved back into the draft space as it didn't exist there previously as far as I can tell, I do think that merging this draft with the preexisting one to be fleshed out with more content and most importantly more independent sources would be for the best. Christiangamer7 (talk) 07:17, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I would support draftifying this article. Shmego (talk) 14:03, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Drafify - not currently notable, but might be in future. Giant Snowman 20:51, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify – Per above. Svartner (talk) 03:39, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify: Per above, not yet notable and there is a draft already. CNC (talk) 09:10, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment - As I created the original draft, not sure if I should vote on which one to keep but at the least the two should be merged before one version gets deleted, as they do contain unique sources and info compared to each other. (e.g. draft mentions youth career and other sport in youth, current article has more up to date info re: FC Naples & injury in 2023 season)

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I think we should copy the youth section from that one into this one Shmego2 (talk) 23:41, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Merge as nom—Merge with Draft:Max Glasser and keep combined as draft per above. Anwegmann (talk) 22:39, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

List of 2014–15 Aviva Premiership Academy promotions

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All are covered in List of 2014–15 Premiership Rugby transfers. SimplyLouis27 (talk) 22:56, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to that page then. Not worth yet another relist. Geschichte (talk) 06:09, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Frédéric Harpagès

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Non-notable figure skater. Bgsu98 (Talk) 16:43, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep He played in major tournaments which I believe makes him notable. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Moopaz (talk • contribs) 00:24, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'm afraid to vote (some people would say I'm voting without justification).
But we should keep the article because he won three national championship medals and he is certainly not unknown and certainly had something written about him in the print media back then. --Moscow Connection (talk) 04:44, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
In the references, I can see a PDF file titled "Les grandes figures du patinage artistique" ("Key names in figure skating") by le Maison Jeux Olympiques Albertville. The link doesn't work anymore, but there certaily was something there, a booklet or something like that published by the Olympic Games House situated in Alberville. Let's give the skater the benefit of a doubt and keep the article. --Moscow Connection (talk) 05:06, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Moreover, he won bronze at the Grand Prix International St. Gervais. That's enough for WP:NSKATE. (I can see some big names among the medalists.) --Moscow Connection (talk) 05:10, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. None of the sources in the article are all of independent, secondary, and SIGCOV: Maison Jeux Olympiques Albertville has a single namedrop and is of questionable independence, the two refs to the club are not independent, and the stats page contributes nothing. A search on ProQuest returned five passing mentions (e.g. "third-place Frederic Harpages of France, fourth-place Petr Barna of Czechoslovakia"). NSKATE does not exempt the subject from needing to meet SPORTCRIT #5. JoelleJay (talk) 00:56, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Lucia Starovičová

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Non-notable figure skater; PROD removed. Bgsu98 (Talk) 11:53, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. Deleting this person would create 16 redlinks across the site related to different figure skating topics. They are notable according to WP:Sportsperson

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It would create zero redlinks; the links are removed. If you believe this person qualifies as notable, please provide evidence. Bgsu98 (Talk) 14:55, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ivan Kinčík

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Non-notable figure skater; PROD removed. Bgsu98 (Talk) 11:52, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Subject does not appear to have the WP:SIGCOV to meet the WP:GNG. Let'srun (talk) 02:54, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - Though not very successful his appearances in the Junior European and European championships are credible. Per WP:GNG.--BabbaQ (talk) 13:05, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@BabbaQ, what sources are you using to claim GNG is met? JoelleJay (talk) 18:17, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
None. Bgsu98 (Talk) 18:26, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. PQ only had one hit for him, his name in a list. No evidence of significant coverage as required by our guidelines. JoelleJay (talk) 18:16, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. asilvering (talk) 20:50, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Lucia Arrascaeta

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I am unable to find anything approaching WP:SIGCOV for this Argentinian rhythmic gymnast. Article was previously draftified in June. JTtheOG (talk) 22:08, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: The subject is barely mentioned in any of the sources listed. I also did some quick research, hoping to find something useful, but I haven't found anything. Aona1212 (talk) 01:58, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Clearly fails the inclusion criteria, No traces of any significant coverage. it's already obvious that the article is weak and hence should be deleted, just like Aona1212 has said. Cameremote (talk) I came from a remote place 00:13, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Notable gymnasts have normally at least competed in the Olympics. This article is perhaps too soon in her career. LibStar (talk) 02:25, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Doczilla _{Ohhhhhh, no!} 17:24, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Théo Emmanuelli

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Fails WP:GNG. Player made one five-minute Ligue 2 appearance in 2021. I found some coverage here, transfer coverage here, and here, but no real significant coverage. Player just transferred to fourth-division side Granville at age 24. Paul Vaurie (talk) 09:55, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 11:43, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Note: since this nomination (or the same morning at least) there has also been this press release and this passing mention. It doesn't amount to sigcov, but it might be worth draftifying with two new references this week. @Paul Vaurie @GiantSnowman CNC (talk) 16:08, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Routine transfer news of a player leaving one National club to go to another. Giant Snowman 16:30, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom. Fails WP:GNG, all of the sources I could find are interviews and database entries, plus one passing mention related to his recent transfer. BilletsMauves^€500 16:40, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete—Per nom. Seems rather clear. Anwegmann (talk) 03:22, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Joelle Forte

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Non-notable figure skater. Bgsu98 (Talk) 06:32, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: This is an interesting one. Forte received a couple paragraphs of coverage in the New York Times when she was 11 in an article discussing junior skaters [[61]] (although it does not pass WP:YOUNGATH, it still provides additional context to the subject). The subject also enough coverage at [[62]], [[63]], [[64]] and [[65]] to meet the WP:GNG Let'srun (talk) 15:17, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep As per Let's run there is much more coverage on this one than the majority of AfD skating articles.Canary757 (talk) 08:11, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Traveen Mathew

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Non-notable cricketer, who fails WP:GNG. Has only played in T10 cricket, not any FC, List A or T20 competition which can often help increase significant coverage. This article was moved to draftspace and then moved back despite minimal insufficient improvements, which is why this AFD is necessary. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:45, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep He has played two First Class matches, 12 List A matches and four T20 matches. He also represented Sri Lanka at the Under-19s Asian Cup. I have added more information and sources including two from The Papare which focus heavily on him. Lookslikely (Talk 18:43, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
i have added further information and another reference which features him as the main focus and in the article title. From my reading of the GNG rules this addition, along with the ones I previously made and are mentioned above, mean this article definitely passes the required SIG COV specification. Lookslikely (talk) 02:35, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for the improvements, but I'm still not convinced he is notable, so I wish to continue this AFD to get consensus. Of the sources, [66], [67] are passing mentions in tournament squad lists, [68] is one paragraph of basic stats, [69] is from SLC so not independent coverage (and so does not contribute to WP:GNG, [70] is a match report with a bit of basic information about him. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:20, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Ok. I tried. Lookslikely (talk) 18:45, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: This is an encyclopedia and not a profile page where anybody can get to feature himself without any major achievements. The subject clearly fails GNG, yet the original editor is still trying to defend. Lookslikely, if you're paid to edit, kindly disclose conflict of interest. To the closing admin, this articles fails all criteria. Cameremote (talk) I came from a remote place 01:27, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Cameremote, your comment makes me wonder if you even examined this article. If you looked at the page history, you'd quickly see that that the article creator is Janeesh 22, not Lookslikely. Secondly, do not cast aspersions, like accusing an editor of working for pay while undeclosed, you better have evidence to support those accusations or you could be facing a block yourself. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:49, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Reply to above: I am not the original editor of this page. I just saw it on this list, Googled the guy and added some stuff to his page. I am not paid to edit on Wikipedia and couldn't give two hoots if it's deleted or not. Oh and before accusing people of things, at least have the courage to sign your username (Cameremote) chum. Lookslikely (talk) 01:12, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Out of boredom, I’m willing to save this page out of boredom if it has enough sources. Reader of Information (talk) 01:33, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I will start working on it tomorrow if this is okay with y’all because honestly, it’s getting late lol. Reader of Information (talk) 01:38, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Once again, clearly fails the notability criteria. And thanks for bringing to my attention the signing issue, I'm using mobile, and I assume it auto signs. Thanks for that. I say again, please disclose COI if you're directly or indirectly associated to the subject, because the way you're defending an article that fails GNG is alarming. Cameremote (talk) I came from a remote place

As I said, Cameremote, either provide proof of your allegations or stop making them. There is nothing inherently COI about defending an article from being deleted. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:52, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'm just trying to point out to the editor that the way he's defending the article is somehow. He should purely suggest that the article be moved back to draft, for further improvement rather than over-defending an article. Note: I'm not alleging anyone, and if there's any offense taken, my absolute apolgies. Cameremote (talk) I came from a remote place 01:59, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: The person in the article is clearly notable. Whether it passes WP:GNG or not is not really determinable as there is one source that is independent but I’m unsure if that suffices as it passing GNG. Although, it seems the sources are of Sri Lanka or newspapers mainly focused on cricket, the exception is Daily News.

Furthermore, I think it can he concluded that this crickteer is of presumed notability as he has been documented in multiple sources that range from 4 years ago to the most recent being a month ago.

In conclusion, I could see this article being of notability even if it’s a stub.

If the consensus is overwhelmingly delete, then I’d recommend it go back to the draft so it can be improved rather than delete because the information there is clearly of use and not useless.

Cheers,
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Aleksei Kulashko

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No changes have been made since the previous deletion and doing a before search reveals nothing passing GNG or SPORTBASIC. Kline • talk • contribs 01:10, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. Several times national champion and national representative. Several non-trivial articles can be found in NZ chess publications, especially New Zealand Chess magazine. Occasional mentions in international chess books and periodicals, many of them unavailable on-line. Multiple mentions in "The Week In Chess", the standard weekly tournament chess report on the internet since the Usenet days and a trusted source. MaxBrowne2 (talk) 21:37, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Ana Candiotto

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Disputed PROD. Fails notability criteria. Shrug02 (talk) 20:59, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep – I see WP:SIGCOV in the sources already presented (Globoesporte, Gazeta Esportiva, O Tempo), the player herself is not very famous but meets the criteria for the article. A quick Google search also turns up a lot of content. Svartner (talk) 21:55, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
There is coverage of both her singles and doubles career on several major Brazilian sports portals: [71] [72] [73] Svartner (talk) 22:05, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Svartner. Article needs a lot of work on subjective language. There have been several PRODS and AI generated tags put on its creator's other articles this week.Canary757 (talk) 08:05, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I accept coverage has now been found but I stand by the point that she is non-notable and the article itself is like a fan page full of Peacocking and puff and very little by way of actual facts. Shrug02 (talk) 10:47, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I've made a tentative start to address the peacock tag Shrug02, will do a thorough one later.Canary757 (talk) 13:32, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Alexander Medvedev (ice hockey)

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Unscourced BLP for a player who never played in a major league and does not meet guidelines at WP:SPORTBASIC. Kimikel (talk) 20:45, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. I couldn't find any sourcing on him aside from prospect sites. Conyo14 (talk) 21:42, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Possible keep. His Eurohockey profile indicates he played 25 years professionally. Surely there are sources in foreign languages? For example: Polish Wikipedia, Russian Wikipedia, Ukrainian Wikipedia Searching in Russian for hockey-related articles is a bit difficult due to the businessman Alexander Medvedev's involvement in hockey. Alexander Medvedev (ice hockey) also coached the U18 national team for Iceland. Did anyone search in a foreign language? It's rather frustrating that nobody has mentioned what was searched. Providing more details is helpful for working together. Best wishes. Flibirigit (talk) 14:02, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I tried searching in English articles as well as Icelandic. I did a basic search on the Belarusian Telegraph Agency and it yielded nothing. Plus the other wikis don't have sources that attribute to a WP:BLP article anyways. Conyo14 (talk) 19:44, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Jenson Kendrick

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Snooker player who fails GNG and SPORTBASIC, No notable success during short career. Canary757 (talk) 17:06, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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- Redirect to 2022 Q School as ATD.
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Delete per nom

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Wang Huidi

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Non-notable figure skater; no senior-level medal placements. Bgsu98 (Talk) 08:39, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. Individual is notable according to WP:Sportsperson and deleting this individual would leave 18 red links across the site on other skating pages Nayyn (talk) 19:53, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It would create zero redlinks; the links are removed. If you believe this person qualifies as notable, please provide evidence. Bgsu98 (Talk) 23:19, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Li Xuantong

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Non-notable figure skater; no senior-level medal placements. Bgsu98 (Talk) 08:26, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Strong keep. Here's a full-fledged biography on Sina.cn: [74]. --Moscow Connection (talk) 02:17, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
One more article → [75].
I don't know what this is, it looks like a very lengthy print magazine article plus an interview. Changing my vote to "Strong keep"--Moscow Connection (talk) 02:25, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Both articles talk about her and her partner Wang Xinkang. He is also nominated for deletion, see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Wang Xinkang. --Moscow Connection (talk) 02:32, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I did a very, very quick Google News search for her name in Chinese. You can search more if you want, also for her partner's name. But that's enough for me. --Moscow Connection (talk) 02:36, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment The Sina.cn article looks good, the second one is quite interview heavy which are generally unpopular on AfD but there is a short bio about them as well so leaning towards a keep at the moment. Given the age and the fact that this skater is active there is a reasonable chance that more GNG sources may appear in the near future,.Canary757 (talk) 07:17, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  Keep Significant overage found by @Moscow Connection which they will hopefully add to the article itself to give readers further insight into this skater and avoid any future AFD.
  
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  Thank you! (I did save some articles after all.) --Moscow Connection (talk) 11:31, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: The sources provided by Moscow Connection appear to have the needed WP:SIGCOV to meet the WP:GNG. Let'srun (talk) 15:19, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Kim Yu-seong

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Non-notable figure skater; no senior-level medal placements. Bgsu98 (Talk) 08:15, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. This → [76] and this → [77] are lengthy articles about her and her twin sister (Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kim Yu-jae).
That's enough for me. But if you aren't satisfied, you can search like this: https://www.google.com/search?q=김유성+2009&tbm=nws. I've only looked at the very first page of results. --Moscow Connection (talk) 04:10, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- CommentThis has originally been created as a WP:TOOSOON but the first article provided provides a good amount of info (the second seems to focus more on the sister) and as she is likely to enter senior events imminently I think it might be too hasty too delete the page so Draftify may be an option here unless more sources are found.Canary757 (talk) 07:45, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify: Concur with Canary757 that while the first source appears to have some decent coverage there isn't nearly enough elsewhere for this subject to meet the guidelines. Per WP:YOUNGATH, athletes such as Yu-seong are only notable if "they have received, as individuals, substantial and prolonged coverage that is: (1) independent of the subject; and (2) clearly goes beyond WP:ROUTINE coverage." I don't think that is the case yet, but as it appears to be a likely possibility I think it makes the most sense to draftify for the time being. Let'srun (talk) 16:07, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Isabel Drescher

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Non-notable figure skater; no senior-level international medal placements. Bgsu98 (Talk) 04:43, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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- Comment I have found a couple of things for her on the same website Westfalische Rundschau [78] and [79]. One of these is about her when she is very young and the other one is one long paragraph so still some way short of establishing notability but it gets the discussion started.Canary757 (talk) 07:11, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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There's another article about her in the same publication as above [80] which is about her junior career again. She appears to be mentioned on here [81] but it appears to only be a ciouple of lines. I have found lots of passing mentions ( such as [82] ) but no WP:SIGCOV so leaning towards Delete unless someone else can find something better.Canary757 (talk) 07:30, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Caroline Gülke

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Non-notable figure skater; highest medal placement was silver at the German nationals. Bgsu98 (Talk) 03:36, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: A brief google search turns up [[83]], which while paywalled appears to have WP:SIGCOV from what I can read. A couple of sentences here but not what I'd call SIGCOV [[84]]. The corresponding German article has no non-database sources, so that doesn't help the case for this subject. Still undecided here. Let'srun (talk) 21:40, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment. There are other articles about her in Berliner Zeitung such as [85].Canary757 (talk) 11:39, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  With that additional source, I'm inclined to say this is a weak keep as there are multiple pieces of WP:SIGCOV for this subject to meet the WP:GNG. Let'srun (talk) 14:19, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Very weak keep as per @Let'srun

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Mathieu Ostiguy

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Non-notable figure skater; absolutely does not meet the criteria of WP:NSKATE, with zero senior-level competition and zero junior-level international medal placements. Despite the volume of provided sources, most of those are competition results and databases, and what isn't appears to mostly be skating blogs. I'll let the community decide whether what's there qualifies as "significant coverage." Bgsu98 (Talk) 18:45, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep A fair bit found on this one such as in the Granby Express [86], the QuinteNews [87] and [88] and also in the Journal deChambly [89] and [90]. Canary757 (talk) 06:53, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Of the sources uncovered in this discussion, I don't think the first three sources are WP:SIGCOV as they are all routine announcements and/or just a few sentences. The Journal deChambly articles look good, but I'd like to see at least one more source from another outlet before voting keep. Let'srun (talk) 23:06, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
There is some more at [91] from Le Monteregion.com. It's not perfect and focuses on him and his skating partner and its got quite a bit of interview in it, but there are details too about their career etc.Canary757 (talk) 07:40, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Ryo Nakamura (footballer, born 1989)

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Light years away from meeting WP:SPORTCRIT and WP:GNG. Geschichte (talk) 14:59, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Fail to meet WP:GNG (WP:SPORTCRIT / WP:FOOTYN) criteria. Material not available for WP:V. QEnigma talk 15:26, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 16:49, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: No significant coverage what so ever. CNC (talk) 17:19, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

KEEP, but merge with corrections — this article seems like a duplication of the already-existing Reo Nakamura (footballer, born 1990) and hence a merge into the existing article may be more appropriate, once the errors have been corrected. It seems like the author of the article has made a spelling error, instead of “Reo” (the correct first name) they have put “Ryo” as the name of the subject and (for some reason) changed their DoB from 1990 to 1989.

The article's own source shows the name of the subject as “Reo”, not “Ryo” (as the author has put) and the correct DoB of the subject as 1990, not 1989 (as the author has put). The reason the others (CC: @GiantSnowman, @CommunityNotesContributor, @QEnigma) could not verify/find sources was because the author wrote the incorrect information on the Wikipedia article. The career statistics section, especially, I feel could be merged into the already existing article.

~~~~ Nyxion³⁰³ 💬 Talk 19:01, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Well spotted - but where is the significant coverage of this person? Giant Snowman 19:02, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

For Reo Nakamura (correct name), I was able to find some through this Google search and this one — 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 just to name a few.

At the moment, it appears the player plays for Ezra F.C., in the Pepsi Lao League 1.

~~~~ Nyxion³⁰³ 💬 Talk 19:30, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately, your sources consist of match reports, database profiles and primary sources. Nothing come close to significant and independent coverage of the player. Geschichte (talk) 22:46, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In your opinion, would you say the player qualifies as being notable under WP:FOOTYN? Nyxion³⁰³ 💬 Talk 11:41, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WP:FOOTYN is an essay, not a formal Wikipedia policy or guideline, and has no relevance in AfD's. The subject must pass WP:GNG with multiple significant sources from publications independent of the subject. Alvaldi (talk) 13:47, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In any event, "The player section of this notability guidance has been superseded by WP:Notability (sports)". Giant Snowman 21:53, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Geschichte: Of the seven sources, only the fifth one signals significant coverage on Nakamura as it tells about his personal life. However, one SIGCOV is not enough; the whole GNG needs multiple instead. Transfermarkt is obviously unnecessary to be added to Wikipedia articles as it is claimed unreliable. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 14:42, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - as this person and Reo Nakamura (footballer, born 1990) are the same, we may need to consider sending Reo Nakamura (footballer, born 1990) to AfD if this AfD concludes as 'delete'. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 17:56, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Have done this already: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Reo Nakamura (footballer, born 1990). CNC (talk) 19:51, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting to see if there are still any valid arguments to Keep or Merge with another article.
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Doesn't look likely as Reo Nakamura is currently at a 5-0 delete Geschichte (talk) 22:19, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

*Keep 5-1 surely? With @Nyxion303‘s keep vote, and 5-2 now… not that this is meant to be a vote I thought 😊 Anyway, as you pointed out @Geschichte, the fifth of Nyxion’s sources was SIGCOV, and I have another couple to add. this[92] and this[93]. For me the three taken together seem like enough. Absurdum4242 (talk) 14:49, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

WP:NOTAVOTE. Giant Snowman 21:53, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Well, yes, that was rather my point. Absurdum4242 (talk) 06:52, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per Absurdum4242 and Nyxion303. I once again request that those nominating and voting delete on Japanese-language articles show evidence of a WP:BEFORE search that includes sources in Japanese and competence to evaluate them before doing so as that clearly indicates that there is significant coverage.

DCsansei (talk) 11:52, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Can you reference this significant coverage you talk of please? CNC (talk) 15:05, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Note: the duplicate article Reo Nakamura (footballer, born 1990) was recently deleted at AfD. CNC (talk) 15:03, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: All the recent !votes are keep, but we've got an almost unanimous delete out of the other AfD. Can we get a source table or something?
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Delete per nom. Article does not meet WP:GNG due to lack of WP:SIGCOV.--DesiMoore (talk) 15:45, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - the coverage does not show a passing of GNG. AFC is two trivial mentions in a match report on a football federation website. Transfermarkt is a database source and an unreliable one at that. Football Tribe is another trivial mention. BeSoccer is another database. Indosport has some coverage but it references Transfermarkt and doesn't go anywhere beyond confirming his position, age, place of birth and previous club. That is all information that was just pulled from Soccerway and the unreliable Transfermarkt. Lao FF is blatantly not significant coverage. IDN Times is half-decent but doesn't go much beyond confirming his position, previous clubs and saying that he scored 2 goals against Tuloy. Soccer King trivially mentions him as a Japanese player in Myanmar. I've searched in Japanese but he has spent most of his career outside of Japan so I can't really find anything. I can find coverage like Ultra Soccer but this is clearly a different Ryo Nakamura as his age and place of birth doesn't match. This should be moved to Ryo Nakamura if kept. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 09:30, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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