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Julius Koome

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Does not seem to meet WP:NBIO. Minus Facebook, LinkedIn, Youtube and Amazon, not seeing any results of coverage. The sources used in the article talk about things that Koome has said and his reports on HIV cases, but are not significant coverage about Koome himself. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 22:43, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Sir Nicolas Reardon-Smith, 5th Baronet

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Unremarkable person who happens to be in Debrett's TheLongTone (talk) 15:17, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: no coverage in reliable secondary sources besides a passing mention in his father's obit. Most of the citations fail verification because they contain zero information about this person. Joe D (t) 17:48, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: lack of notability. Est. 2021 (talk · contribs) 00:15, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Akintunde Babatunde

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Fail WP:GNG and WP:JOURNALIST Ibjaja055 (talk) 16:31, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Kristoffer von Hassel

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This is a pretty clear example of WP:BLP1E. The sources all say the same thing with very little variation in the information they provide, and several of them are clearly re-hashed versions of the same report or press release. None of the sources says anything about von Hassel himself, which is very natural as he was 5 years old at the time, but a WP:BEFORE search doesn't yield anything more current, or more in-depth. I thought this might be a good source, since it was published a couple of years later – but it only repeats the same info in new packaging (adding the dubious claim that he "has his own Wikipedia page"). Other than that, there's just the flurry of short press reports from April 2014 to support this entire article. The "world's youngest hacker" claim was clearly unverifiable and pretty weak to begin with, since it redefines what a "hacker" is – so what is the claim to notability here, really? bonadea contributions talk 16:23, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom. WP:BLP1E without any WP:LASTING coverage. Jfire (talk) 17:41, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - per nom. A fun little story that surely helps websites get clicks, but absolutely not enough to support a BLP article on the person in the story. Not opposed to a brief mention somewhere in an Xbox article where it could make sense. Sergecross73 msg me 19:19, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Adedayo Olawuyi

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The sources fail Wikipedia notability guidelines and a WP:BEFORE did not show that the subject is notable. Ibjaja055 (talk) 16:19, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Dante Henderson

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As per WP:NRSNVNA. Fails Verifiability and i couldn’t find any coverage of him. Apart from a very old Washington post mentioning him, there is no recent coverage whatsoever. Pizza on Pineapple ^{(Let's eat🍕)} 13:11, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Juboraj Shamim

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Fails WP:DIRECTOR. Debut director, all coverage about Adim only. Film might be notable, but the director isn't yet. Not eligible now, but could be in the future with more notable work, awards, or recognition. Junbeesh (talk) 11:49, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Eli Jae

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Fails WP:MUSICBIO and Wikipedia general notability guidelines. Ibjaja055 (talk) 06:33, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Fails WP:MUSICBIO or WP:GNG. Cited sources are the usual promotional music releases and public relations, nothing we can use to write an encyclopedic entry. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 06:50, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: It appears the subject does not have enough valid secondary sourcing to confirm notability under WP:GNG. Source #10 also says that it's from GQ South Africa, but this is a lie, it's from "Music in Africa.Net". m a MANÍ¹⁹⁹⁰ 🌵 ^{(talk | contribs)} 13:07, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Amzy B

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Fails WP:MUSICBIO. Almost all the sources are either promotional pieces or unreliable. Ibjaja055 (talk) 05:51, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Non-notable musical artist, fails WP:MUSICBIO or WP:GNG. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 06:27, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Rüdiger Bubner

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The article lacks any clear indication of WP:V and WP:PROF. Xpander (talk) 20:42, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Speedy keep, no rationale for deletion given by nominator. If notability is the concern, subject has at least two academic obituaries [1], [2], and it appears that at least one of his books was widely reviewed [3], [4], [5]. Jfire (talk) 20:49, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Speedy keep - no reason provided for deletion Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 21:31, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Inadequate nomination. Xxanthippe (talk) 21:49, 17 January 2025 (UTC).[reply]
Speedy keep. Even if we pretend that we had an adequate nomination, the obituaries provide a clear case for WP:GNG, and the many reviews of multiple books (more including [6] [7] [8] [9]). The article's references as nominated are almost as empty as the nomination but WP:DINC. —David Eppstein (talk) 23:11, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry folks. @Jfire @Spiderone @Xxanthippe @David Eppstein. I remember exactly putting down the reason into WP:TWINKLE's text area (updated hereby), it must have fell through the cracks somehow. That said, I know Bubner to be a well-respected academic, but that doesn't mean the current article is a good article, every single article I have made in this vein, has either been rejected right out of the gate via WP:AfC, or was moved to draftspace. It's simply unfair. Xpander (talk) 01:55, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Your nomination statement is about what is present in the article. Notability is about a different thing: what is available to say and source about the subject of an article, regardless of whether it is already present in the article. —David Eppstein (talk) 02:09, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@David Eppstein, In this sense is WP:AfD criterion, wholly different from that of WP:AfC? Because that's how AfC is judged, based on what is present in the article, not what it in reality is, in other words I'm pretty sure this article would have been discarded were it presented via AfC. Xpander (talk) 08:36, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep and close per WP:SNOW, per sources above and the noms vague rationale, as an AFC reviewer and an AFD patroller, they are not the same, one is more stricter (AFC) than the other (AFD). One does not tolerate "messy article" while the follows WP:NOTCLEANUP and only base on notability. Warm Regards, Miminity (Talk?) (me contribs) 12:43, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Miminity Thanks for providing point accurate guideline citations. Best. Xpander (talk) 17:04, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Meets WP:GNG and WP:BASIC, per all above. The nominator appears to be confused as to the differences in the AfC process as opposed to AfD. Ejgreen77 (talk) 17:08, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Rasha Thadani

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The subject looks non notable. Maybe a case of WP:TOOSOON Zuck28 (talk) 20:10, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Fails WP:NACTOR as it says, "The person has had significant roles in multiple notable films" but the subject has role in only one film. Taabii (talk) 09:50, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete She is not yet notable independently.. Fails WP:ACTOR for now. It is too early for a wiki page i think. Bakhtar40 (talk) 12:30, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to either Azaad (2025 film), which is her only project for now, or to the page on her mother Raveena Tandon#Personal life. Keivan.f^Talk 14:52, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Azaad (2025 film) or Delete. Only 1 film to her credit this is just WP:TOOSOON and fails WP:NACTOR with no significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions. Subject has also not yet made unique, prolific or innovative contributions to a field of entertainment. RangersRus (talk) 15:36, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: WP:TOOSOON, WP:NACTOR looks for multiple significant roles or winning a major award. One source is basically an interview which is nice for info, but interviews aren't independent of the subject and generally don't help show notability, especially when it's part of a publicity push for a film. Ravensfire (talk) 18:51, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Adeolu Akinyemi

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Fails WP: Author and WP:GNG. The sources cannot establish WP:SIGCOV and the awards received are not notable. Ibjaja055 (talk) 11:24, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: The typical round of Nigerian news coverage and dubious awards. I don't see anything beyond the puffy articles. Oaktree b (talk) 15:10, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Aimsey

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only notability is being a part/member of a minecraft server. the only reliable sources that are used are dotesports and ign, and they are mostly mentioned in passing, no in depth coverage. Http iosue (talk) 03:57, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete, no WP:SIGCOV and relies on primary sources too much jolielover♥talk 16:55, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Noam Ross

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I'm not sure this article meets WP:GNG. Ross is only mentioned in passing in a small number of secondary sources and none of those secondary sources are explicitly about him. Velayinosu (talk) 01:54, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment Agree that I'm not seeing a WP:GNG pass, but there might be a WP:NPROF pass for his research work. His citation count is decent, and his work on things like consulting on COVID-19 modelling and creating some very widely used R packages might get him close to C4/C7. I'm not sure the case is strong enough, but am interested to hear what others think. MCE89 (talk) 02:09, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Bunge Burunje

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Fails WP:MUSICBIO and WP:GNG. The sources could not establish WP:SIGCOV. Ibjaja055 (talk) 23:34, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: No sources for this person. The ones in the article are very brief, and the website is a news and advertising service. I'm unsure if it's promotional or not, but we have no sourcing anyway. Oaktree b (talk) 23:42, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: I agree with Oaktree b. No sources, could be promotional. LarryL33k (Contribz) 05:03, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Shucayb Dad Mohamed

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Fails WP:JOURNALIST. All the sources are unreliable and cannot establish any notability. Ibjaja055 (talk) 23:22, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Big Smart

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Fails WP:NACTOR, WP:ENT, WP: ANYBIO or WP:GNG. All the sources are either promotional pieces or unreliable. Ibjaja055 (talk) 23:06, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Does not appear to have reliable secondary sourcing to confirm notability for WP:GNG. Mamani1990 (talk) 00:11, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: There are some WP:GNG-sources in the article but I could be wrong; so, delete.. Ahola .O (talk) 00:57, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Favi

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Fails WP:MUSICBIO, WP:COMPOSER and WP:GNG. Almost all the sources are either promotional, puff pieces or unreliable. Ibjaja055 (talk) 20:53, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - Note from the previous AfD (about a year and a half ago) that articles on this singer were rejected in the Draft system multiple times, but somebody snuck it into mainspace anyway. This has happened again and little has changed for the singer. Still an up-and-comer with material on the standard self-upload platforms and publicity announcements reprinted by the usual non-critical Nigerian hype publications. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 21:25, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Is this a HOAX? He had an article in 2008, but only began singing in 2015 and now in 2023? If he's not made any notability in the nearly 20 years since the first AfD, I'm not sure what else there is to say. Releasing music on a streaming platform isn't notable. Source used aren't RS or very marginal. Oaktree b (talk) 21:29, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The 2008 AfD was for someone else with a similar name, listed at the top of this page due to an apparent glitch. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 21:31, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

ok thanks for the explanation. I still don't see notability. Oaktree b (talk) 23:25, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: Alternative hip-hop is still a relatively niche genre in Nigeria, with only about 5-10% of the population listening to Nigerian artists in this space. In comparison, the genre has a much larger following in the United States, where about 40-50% of listeners are into alternative hip-hop. From the research I’ve done, artists like Odumodu Blvck, Favi, and Psycho YP are among the ones really standing out in this scene. Given the growing attention they’re receiving from respected Nigerian sources, I believe they meet the notability guidelinesWP:GNG and are well-covered by reliable references WP:NG/RS Jellymanpro (talk) 01:30, 18 January 2025 (UTC) Sock strike. Reading Beans, Duke of Rivia 09:10, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: No evidence of passing WP:COMPOSER, WP:MUSICBIO or WP:ANYBIO. Sources are mostly music release and public relations. A cursory search yields nothing useful. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 11:28, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

James J. Smith

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Fails WP:BLP1E. Not clear that the incident itself has longterm significance.4meter4 (talk) 18:09, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge into Katrina Leung, for now. Honestly, we should probably cover them all in one scandal article, but he is notable for being her handler and for the fallout. The event is very notable [10] [11] [12] PARAKANYAA (talk) 22:30, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

PARAKANYAA I think that is a good idea on all points. Just a note, this page will need to be turned into a disambiguation page and not just a redirect because of the Murder of James J. Smith article. We will need to have a page pointing to Katrina Leung and Murder of James J. Smith if we go with this WP:ATD.4meter4 (talk) 01:18, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Leib Ostrow

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Not sufficient on WP:GNG, WP:PRODUCER. Royiswariii Talk! 15:59, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Very weak delete I was able to find this Forbes article and this Los Angeles Times article, but other than that doesn't really meet WP:GNG. The article is also POV in nature. TNM101 (chat) 16:22, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Biplab Satpati

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The subject does not pass WP:ACADEMICS. Taabii (talk) 07:07, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Ok delete it. I am leaving wikipedia btw. This is really depressing. Hypothetical Painter (talk) 07:09, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Hypothetical Painter Pls read Wikipedia:Notability (people). Taabii (talk) 09:42, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. An assistant professor who doesn't pass WP:NPROF. 268 total citations and an h-index of 9 is a long way off meeting C1, and I wasn't able to find any indication of major awards, editor positions, memberships etc. that could meet any of the other NPROF criteria. MCE89 (talk) 07:14, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Fails NPROF and GNG. Polygnotus (talk) 07:54, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: not meeting PROF, appears to not be a highly-cited individual. Career is routine otherwise. Oaktree b (talk) 15:44, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Assistant professors do not usually meet our standards for academic notability (the rare exceptions are often those with major international awards showing that they're already a star and their academic rank hasn't caught up). I see no evidence that this one is any exception. Citation record is not yet strong enough for WP:PROF#C1 and there seems to be nothing else. —David Eppstein (talk) 18:50, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Easher Austin

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This subject is not eligible for an entry into Wikipedia as the references in the article are all primary and there is nothing elsewhere that can be added to the article to demonstrate their notability. The creator is the subject of the article himself. This is a significant COI. Centuristic (talk) 06:12, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: No sources pop up for this guy; clearly self-advertising. Why? I Ask (talk) 06:54, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete WP:GNG and WP:NMUSIC. Also not notable for youtube stuff, very low viewcount, 633 subs. Polygnotus (talk) 07:50, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Pretty bad case of self-promotion. YouTube channel not notable. Procyon117 (talk) 15:14, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Not notable. Also, not dispositive of anything, but worth noting that I got a post on my talk page after I'd restored content they'd deleted. They claimed to be the subject of the article and saying that they wanted the page deleted. Plandu (talk) 19:19, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sharin Yamano

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This is the pen name of an individual who is known for writing an anti-Korean manga series. While the series is absolutely notable in itself (and its article is quite interesting), that doesn't warrant an extra article about its anonymous author who is only known for creating that specific work. Anonymous 03:12, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Manga Kenkanryu - a plausible search term. Ingratis (talk) 10:08, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Manga Kenkanryu per nom. To be honest, I was considering doing this myself about a month ago when I rewrote the Manga Kenkanryu article, but I didn't feel like it at the time. Link20XX (talk) 17:59, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Manga Kenkanryu per nom, I search into the depths of Japanese sources (i.e Natalie, Oricon, RealSound, and other non-entertainment sources I know) and still none even the Japanese wikipage is not helping. Warm Regards, Miminity (Talk?) (me contribs) 03:24, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect per above seefooddiet (talk) 09:46, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

James T. Fishback

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Fails WP:GNG, no significant coverage. "known for" is being the CIO of a tiny hedge fund, which fails WP:NBUSINESSPERSON Reflord (talk) 23:05, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - See career section. This is a Florida friend of Donald Trump's, who "declared his intention to serve the state of Florida as a Senator after Donald Trump won the 2024 United States presidential election". Otherwise there is not much in this article. — Maile (talk) 00:21, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete. This is, particularly since there is no mention of any serious consideration by DeSantis of Fishback, the political promo Wikipedia equivalent of Michael Scott shouting bankruptcy.--Mpen320 (talk) 15:43, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Arun Arya

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Self promotional article about a civil servant. I have struggled with trimming the uncited text. No Swan So Fine (talk) 22:37, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment Promotion can be trimmed or improved. Prior to nominating this article you should do a WP:BEFORE. Your rationale should be emphasize notability and Significant Coverage. Bakhtar40 (talk) 09:00, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks - I've further trimmed the text to match the sparse citations. No Swan So Fine (talk) 11:23, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Bala Wunti

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The article doesn't meet WP:GNG. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 21:59, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: There's no source currently cited or from a cursory search that is independent of the subject, provides substantial coverage and is reliable. They are mostly satisfying only one of the three and not the three, which is required to satisfy WP:GNG or WP:ANYBIO. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 10:34, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: To weight in, I think this is the second time this article is deleted. But personally, I believe this subject meets all NG's, as a quick Google search would reveal independent publications and news about the source. He is the group director of NAPIMS, the second order of NNPC. As such, he makes news appearance many times to declare Nigeria's assets. Infact yesterday, he was on national tv Channels TV. I made a quick search about him, and I could see many reports about "Being considered as the managing director to NNPC" itself. infact, there was numerous publications about him, right from when he is appointed in 2020 by President Muhammadu Buhari, former president of Nigeria. He still serves in the capacity as of 2025. infact one of the publication headline is Bala Wunti: The new head of Nigeria’s oil asset, NAIPMS Cameremote (talk) I came from a remote place 19:29, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Cameremote Nothing you just said is WP:GNG worthy, perhaps it's best to familiarise yourself with relevant policies and guidelines before venturing into participating in AfD discussions so that you can make comments you can be proud of in say five years time. But yeah, being the managing director of NNPC, group director of NAPIMS, etc, etc, coupled with the sourcing found, does not satisfy GNG. See my original !vote that there's no source currently cited or from a cursory search that is independent of the subject, provides substantial coverage and is reliable. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 20:22, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This comment "so that you can make comments you can be proud of in say five years time." is generally uncalled for :). I did not vote, rather provided a comment of opinion. Basically uncalled for and talking about familiarizing myself with guidelines? like for real tho? I did not join Wikipedia based on your counsel or to impress you, or yours. I will provide my opinion where necessary and there's nothing you will do about it.Cameremote (talk) I came from a remote place 22:08, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Cameremote I did not mean to offend you with that, to be honest, so, pardon me if that is the case here. I was only trying to pass to you that you do not understand what is defined in WP:GNG, that the positions you mentioned are not notable, and that if you familiarise yourself with the relevant content policies and notability guidelines, you will agree with me, and they're meant to be entirely harmless. I hope this helps you. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 15:42, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Being a general manager of NNPC does not make him notable without different reliable sources with significant coverage. All the sources provided cannot count toward WP:GNG. Ibjaja055 (talk) 21:39, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Robin del Castillo

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Fails WP:SINGER. His supposed international tour has been unsourced for years, and he clearly doesn't pass GNG. Badbluebus (talk) 18:19, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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*Delete - moving from one country to another is not an "international tour." Bearian (talk) 06:57, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ameen Amshi

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Fails WP:NPOL and most of the sources are either pass mentioned or unreliable sources. Ibjaja055 (talk) 17:49, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Fails WP:GNG or WP:ANYBIO. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 17:54, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete: Senior special assistant to the vice president is not an elected position, nor is the career notable. Sourcing is simply confirmation of various activities, nothing we can use to show notability. Being a member of the Youth Wing does not impart notability. Oaktree b (talk) 20:58, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Per reasons echoed by Oaktree b. Best, Reading Beans, Duke of Rivia 13:04, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - a lower level staff member is not automatically notable, and there is no evidence of significant coverage. Such a person may become notorious due to a scandal, but I don't see any proof of that here. Bearian (talk) 07:01, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Praise Akinlami

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The only source attached to the article fails WP:GNG and a cursory search on the internet could not yield anything than social media handles. Ibjaja055 (talk) 17:23, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Noting to establish WP:GNG here. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 17:53, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: NIGERIANPROMO... Ungh, another one that is a "mastermind" [13] and a consulting founder [14]. Flowery language for nothing to show. I don't see any critical reviews of anything written by this person. Entrepreneur isn't notable, civil engineer by training implies he doesn't work as one, which is also non-notable. Oaktree b (talk) 21:02, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: This profile meets notable criteria if you contextualize within their regional and industry specific impact. With very substantial online following and at least 7 national level publications, it is important to recognize that documentation standards often reflect systemic biases. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Martinschukwudera (talk • contribs) 21:13, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Tell me more. Bearian (talk) 07:02, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: The subject does not meet WP:GNG due to the lack of reliable, independent, and significant secondary sources. The provided references, including social media handles and promotional articles, fail to establish notability. The article appears to be promotional in tone and content, and the achievements cited do not meet Wikipedia's standards for inclusion.--Jaypung (talk) 16:46, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Leaning delete because there's only one source, which far less than we expect for WP:BLP. I asked for more evidence from a proponent of keeping this page. I don't see significant coverage, but who knows? Bearian (talk) 07:04, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Moshe Chalava

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Non notable rabbi. From my searches only one source (an obscure one) accounts for his existence. On google, searching him up only nets 25 results, with the majority of them copying the en-wp article. Plasticwonder (talk) 15:38, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Kenechukwu Ambrose Nwankwo

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This subject is not eligible for an article here based on the references supplied. There are no sources elsewhere with which their notability can be demonstrated. And the subject is the creator of this article. There is a significant COI in the article Centuristic (talk) 13:02, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - WP:PROMO Wikipedia is not a means of promotion. — Maile (talk) 13:15, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: fails WP:SPORTBASIC. Mamani1990 (talk) 13:30, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Another "entrepreneur" that doesn't appear notable (being mentioned in media). Being a flag football player doesn't meet notability requirements. Another attempt at PROMO that falls flat. Oaktree b (talk) 14:18, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Fails WP:GNG or WP:NATHLETE. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 14:18, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, recreation of Kenny Nwankwo which I moved to draft, and was declined on 9 January. Fails WP:BIO, WP:NATHLETE and WP:GNG. Wikishovel (talk) 15:41, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Fails Wikipedia general Notability guidelines. Ibjaja055 (talk) 17:26, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per everyone above. Best, GPL93 (talk) 16:58, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: WP:AUTO and fails notability. DACartman (talk) 19:36, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete the fact that it's an autobiography that's triple orange-tagged (validly) is enough reason for me. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 21:57, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Played some Division III college ball and is now playing in a flag football league in Nigeria. Neither of those comes lose to showing notability. Cbl62 (talk) 01:17, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete The subject fails to meet WP:GNG and WP:NATHLETE due to insufficient coverage in reliable sources and lack of notable achievements. The article is promotional, likely an autobiography, and recreates previously declined content. WP:PROMO and WP:COI also apply.--Jaypung (talk) 16:40, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I think we've piled on enough here guys. I suggest someone close this. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 17:31, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, per all above. Fails WP:GNG. Ejgreen77 (talk) 00:13, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. In 2025, everyone knows that Wikipedia is not Facebook or LinkedIn. There's no significant coverage of (youth) flag football in Nigeria; it's subsumed under American football in Nigeria, with two citations. Bearian (talk) 07:54, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy delete AfD was not necessary for this. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 23:11, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Kamalakanta Nayak

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Fails WP:JOURNALIST. Subject works for Argus News, so the reference article mentioned is not independent of the subject. Online search results show coverage of another person, Kamalakanta, who is a para-athlete. Junbeesh (talk) 08:16, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nomination, cannot find any coverage too. Article was speedy deleted in 2021 as created by a sock, but I don't know whether the article was about another person like the mentioned athlete. Anyways Kamalakanta777 should disclose their WP:COI. Killarnee (talk) 11:54, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Uday Narkar

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Fails the notability test for politicians, and of course WP:ANYBIO or WP:GNG. A cursory search doesn't bring up anything useful. Also, peoplesdemocracy.in would be very much unreliable in this context, because it is not independent of the subject and would hardly be unbiased. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 08:14, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep : Without resorting to WP:OTHERSTUFF, I will like to draw attention to the amount of blue-links at Template:Democratic_State_Chairs. State chairs in Democratic Party are generally less important than state secretaries/presidents in Indian political party like CPIM which is one of the only six national parties. State presidents/secretaries are highest position in state unit of a party.

Multiple reliable media have covered Uday Narkar. What this article needs is improvement, not deletion. Besides People's Democracy is indeed a reliable sources for this because the citation covers just the event of state conference and election of Uday Narkar as state secretary. Besides he is also the member of Central Committee of CPIM. XYZ 250706 (talk) 13:24, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Currently 13 citations are there (many Wikipedia articles only have 1-3 citations). More can be added with the passing of time. XYZ 250706 (talk) 13:43, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Dollya Black

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Drag performer fails WP:NBIO. GTrang (talk) 04:07, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: If the subject is not notable, then the page should be redirected to The Boulet Brothers' Dragula season 3, not deleted altogether. Thanks, ---Another Believer _(Talk) 05:32, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect as with Evah Destruction. Bearian (talk) 08:18, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Dylan Bachelet

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Even appearing in a highly visible television show neither makes this person a high-profile person nor prevents him from being subject to WP:BLP1E or WP:BIO1E. Sure, he became a chef de partie at a Michelin-starred restaurant. Nonetheless, with all achievements he has made so far, I'm doubtful that he would meet either WP:GNG or WP:NBASIC, no matter how many sources have been used to verify info about him. Much of relevant info should be merged into List of The Great British Bake Off finalists (series 8–present)#Dylan Bachelet. George Ho (talk) 21:23, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: People are presumed notable if they have received significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject. This article fits the brief. (Heroeswithmetaphors) talk 23:21, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
How so? Checking the sources used in the article, this person is referred as one of Bake Off contestants. Digital Spy extensively covers his appearance there and mentions his post-Bake Off career briefly—well, just one ongoing job. Also, you've created the article, didn't you? George Ho (talk) 02:10, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep. Enough coverage in independent sources that goes beyond routine coverage of the TV show in which he appeared. See e.g. the NYT [15] [16] [17], the Guardian [18], the Times [19], the Telegraph [20], Michelin [21], etc. Astaire (talk) 18:56, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. I thought we generally keep the last three finalists on major reality television shows. Bearian (talk) 04:44, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
What do you mean? Most of finalists, including winners, aren't independently notable and don't have their own articles. See List of The Great British Bake Off finalists (series 8–present) and past discussion at Talk:The Great British Bake Off that transpired the creation of the list. George Ho (talk) 09:57, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. The article needs major help. Literally it's five sentences long and one of those sentences is about his A-Levels? But he clearly has gotten outsize attention for a non-winner. GBBO does have other non-winner breakout stars we have an article about, and many actual winners who don't have an article. Valereee (talk) 18:01, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Kaavya Sha

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From a WP:BEFORE, I am unable to find any independent sources with significant coverage. The only sources I could find with SIGCOV are interviews /wedding announcements, which are ineligible towards GNG. NACTOR is also not met here, as none of these roles are significant enough to warrant a separate article. No plausible ATDR either. Jeraxmoira🐉 (talk) 19:41, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep as per references from The New Indian Express, The News Minute, The Times of India [22], [23] and her work in many notable movies as mentioned in the article. Behappyyar (talk) 20:25, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I've added more references to it. And Despite this, it is incomprehensible to tag for AfD after a senior editor has already reviewed it. Behappyyar (talk) 06:40, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: There certainly seems to be more than just passing coverage in the Times of India sources.--Ipigott (talk) 08:15, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep According to WP:GNG, significant coverage from reliable for establishing the notability of a topic. 𝒮-𝒜𝓊𝓇𝒶 08:30, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Ipigott and S-Aura, would you mind mentioning the WP:THREE best sources or the sources you think help the subject pass GNG or NACTOR? It would be great to see a source analysis, as all I could find is routine coverage and nothing independent of the subject. Jeraxmoira🐉 (talk) 09:46, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Loudspeaker (2018 film). Clearly the only named member of the cast and her only lead role [24]. DareshMohan (talk) 04:54, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Stefan Pleszczynski

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Just a brief overview of credits no sigcov. Page is also out of date as it describes a 2014 television episode as recent. Fails GNG Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 19:24, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Mom Soth

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Improperly sourced (by one external link to IMDB) article for non-notable actor. WP:BEFORE does not yield any reliable sources that verify notability. Waddles 🗩 🖉 19:01, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Bill Wilson (pastor)

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3/6 sources are his organization. Another is dead link. There is only this [25] and apparently a mention in a book. If it should not be deleted it can probably be merged with Metro World Child. 🄻🄰 16:41, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep No WP:PAYWALL-compliant argument against notability articulated. Jclemens (talk) 02:29, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Vanessa Xtravaganza

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Disputed draftification. WP:DRAFTOBJECT prevents unilateral redraftification., Fails WP:BIO 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 09:25, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Speedy delete WP:MILL club performer. -- Ssilvers (talk) 15:41, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Mekomo (talk) 16:18, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. No reliable sources providing significant coverage. Fails WP:GNG. Madeleine (talk) 17:55, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Fails WP:GNG. An alternative could be to redirect to House of Xtravaganza where she is mentioned once. Asparagusstar (talk) 00:57, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Makenna Kelly

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Fails WP:ANYBIO, almost all the cited sources are either primary sources or unreliable sources. Has been identified as such since June 2022, without improvement. Dan arndt (talk) 08:39, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep The 2022 AfD discussion was keep, with the condition that the flag on notability was added. I have added some sources, where the best coverage is the 2019 article in the Fort Collins paper (though I note she is from Colorado). She has minor mentions in the Boston Globe and the Washington Post (now in article). I have not replaced all the citations to YouTube, though I agree with the 'unreliable source' flags for them. DaffodilOcean (talk) 18:31, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I now have access to the Wired magazine article, and that is also significant coverage. My inclination would be to delete the other items that are sourced to YouTube or primary sources, but I think they can remain for now in case someone else finds better sourcing. DaffodilOcean (talk) 07:07, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yaron Gottlieb

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Fails to meet WP:N. I have been unable to find any significant coverage in reliable sources. The article's sources are mostly the subject's own works along with an article that quotes the subject a single time. Should be deleted per WP:GNG. --Helleniac (talk) 22:46, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Automated comment: This AfD was not correctly transcluded to the log (step 3). I have transcluded it to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/2025 January 13. —^{cyberbot I}_{Talk to my owner:Online} 22:54, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Automated comment: This AfD was not correctly transcluded to the log (step 3). I have transcluded it to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/2025 January 14. —^{cyberbot I}_{Talk to my owner:Online} 00:34, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Note: I have fixed some malformed formatting in this nomination that hid a good chunk of it when transcluded. No opinion. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 01:47, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Comment Just noting that the nominator has been blocked as a sockpuppet, and some of their other contributions make me a little concerned that this nomination might not have been done in good faith. No opinion at this point on the merits of the AfD. MCE89 (talk) 10:35, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Brief article on a professional at work. Fails the GNG. gidonb (talk) 04:23, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep - while it's true that he's not notable as an adjunct professor, he's the executive director of legal affairs for Interpol, and he's gotten some coverage for that. Bearian (talk) 05:16, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Shivkrupanand Swami

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Recreated following deletion in 2020; sources continue not to support WP:GNG/WP:NBIO. Sources are:

Sponsored content (Forbes "BrandConnect")
Unbylined WP:NEWSORGINDIA promo ([26], [27])
WP:TRIVIALMENTIONS or non-mentions ([28], [29], [30])

More of the same is all that comes up in WP:BEFORE search: [31], [32], [33]. Dclemens1971 (talk) 21:29, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - I agree with the above source analysis Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 21:38, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Very much PROMO, this is typical [34], rest of the sources are as explained aobve. I don't see enough for notability. Oaktree b (talk) 00:01, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Current article primarily relies on Indian media sources(WP:NEWSORGINDIA), many of which have questionable reliability. The Forbes India article explicitly mentions that it is a "Brand Post," meaning it is a paid article. Therefore, the article completely fails to meet WP:GNG. Baqi:) (talk) 11:22, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: The article meets Wikipedia's notability guidelines because the subject has been covered by multiple independent, reliable, While some may argue that the coverage is predominantly local, this claim does not fully reflect the range and scope of the sources cited. The Times of India and Forbes India. This article completely meets WP:ANYBIO and WP:GNG with significant coverage If there is a promo content it can be removed. SATavr (talk) 06:20, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Forbes is sponsored content, as above. Oaktree b (talk) 16:02, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

No one argues the coverage was local. We argued the coverage was unreliable. Dclemens1971 (talk) 16:15, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete for lack of any reliable sources. If anyone can find and add independent, secondary sources to the page, I am open to changing my mind. Bearian (talk) 03:35, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I found with passing WP:SIGCOV As he suggested comes with reliability [35], [36], [37], [38], [39], [40], [41], and [42]. Rais Mastin (talk) 05:50, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
All of these are unbylined WP:NEWSORGINDIA items except for this one, which is a WP:USERGENERATED reader blog post on an Indian news site, and this one, which is an official bio and thus both a primary source and non-independent. This item is a WP:TRIVIALMENTION. Moreover, all of these are already discussed in the nomination statement. Dclemens1971 (talk) 14:32, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment- This article has enough sources to prove notabilty, The person is also Author. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 152.58.131.52 (talk) 05:06, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ben Yennie

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This man does not seem to be notable, the only content about him that are not from his own companies are podcasts interviews. 🄻🄰 16:57, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - WP:PROMOTION. Also delete User:Jwdoke/sandbox, as the draft for this article; possibly the same person as Ben Yennie. No other content was created by this user. — Maile (talk) 20:08, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - he's a marketer who does his job well, but that's it. His client list doesn't make him notable. Interviews are primary sources, and they don't count, either, for notability. If the subject created two copies of this page, then they should be deleted for that reason alone. Bearian (talk) 04:18, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Clintianoo

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A WP:PROMO biography for a TikToker. The sources do not support WP:GNG or WP:NBIO. Quick analysis:

Unbylined promo/churnalism recapping things he says in his own videos and thus WP:PRIMARYSOURCES: [43], [44], [45], [46]. Per WP:NEWSORGNIGERIA, this appears to be promo or paid placement w/r/t a biography.
WP:TRIVIALMENTIONs in other sources, one of them also unbylined: [47], [48].
Finally, one source (InfoMediaNG) my network won't let me open because the site's security is compromised -- not likely to be a reliable and robust source.

Didn't find anything else in my WP:BEFORE search. Dclemens1971 (talk) 16:33, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. TheOilSpillExpert (talk) 22:40, 13 January 2025 (UTC) Sock strike. Reading Beans, Duke of Rivia 13:42, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@TheOilSpillExpert can you explain why you chose delete? I believe your vote should be constructive. Opyquad (talk) 23:40, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Dclemens1971 Thank you for your constructive feedback. However, I addressed the issues you raised when the page was initially moved (by you) to draft status, and I ensured that all guidelines were strictly followed before moving it back to the Mainspace. Two, I have previously worked on pages that required more references, and I believe this is one of those pages that can be improved over time. BYLINE: The issue of whether an article is bylined or not should not be attributed to the writer since contributors on Wikipedia are volunteers, who are trying to make 'free knowledge' something of value to everyone who consumes information on this platform. Regarding the source InfomediaNG, I did not encounter any security issues while using it here. Moreover, I have seen other reliable platforms referencing the site, particularly for biographies and fact-checking-related content. Could it be that certain pages are restricted in your country? Opyquad (talk) 23:56, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Opyquad: All guidelines were not strictly followed, clearly. Regarding unbylined content, please review discussions at WP:RSN. News organizations in Nigeria are considered by many editors to publish promotional content that does not meet the bar of WP:RS, and content without bylines is particularly likely to be this kind of promotional material. Beyond that, the content is just churnalism based on recycling Clintianoo's social media statements into articles, which means the material is not independent since it's basically the subject's own words. I can't view InfoMediaNG since my network indicates the site hosts malicious malware and I have no desire to invite that onto my computer. Dclemens1971 (talk) 02:07, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Dclemens1971 I have done my best to ensure that the article adds value to Wikipedia’s goals. No emotions involved! First, I do not agree with the proposition being advanced at WP:RSN that Nigerian newspapers should be “formally” deprecated. That is too harsh of a recommendation. In fact, some newspapers in Nigeria are dedicated to combating fake news and fact-checking claims made by other media outlets. The fact that some media organizations have published unverified claims should not be enough to categorize all Nigerian newspapers as unreliable.

I have cited some of these newspapers in other articles I have published (here, here, and here), and there were no issues raised regarding the authenticity of the sources. My approach has always been to conduct thorough research on my subjects and write about them, especially when they are of public interest and have made significant impacts in their respective fields.

I would encourage you to approach this matter with an open mind while applying the guidelines without any preconceived bias that Nigerian newspapers are inherently unreliable. As for the other source—InfomediaNG—it may be related to your system’s configuration, such as a firewall mistakenly flagging the site as a false positive. I have no such issue here.

While it's understandable that some sources might be flagged due to instances of misinformation or promotional tone, it would be unfair to apply a blanket deprecation without assessing individual publications on a case-by-case basis. A balanced approach that recognizes both the strengths and weaknesses of various media outlets would better serve Wikipedia’s objective of providing accurate and well-rounded information. Encouraging editors to critically evaluate sources rather than outright dismissing them seems like a more constructive path forward.

Thank you for your time. Opyquad (talk) 12:00, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Opyquad I don't agree with the proposal to deprecate all Nigerian sources either, but I do believe that given the problems identified, they must be carefully evaluated and that promotional or tabloid-type articles like the ones used in this article are inappropriate to establish notability. And are you using ChatGPT or another AI platform to write your responses? GPTZero gives your fourth paragraph a 100% probability of being AI-generated. Please use your own words to participate in discussions here. Dclemens1971 (talk) 13:55, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Dclemens1971 AI cannot be relevant to my response here. To the main issue, similar sources have been cited in a similar page for Tiktok influencer in Nigeria. Opyquad (talk) 14:24, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It's relevant in that AfD discussions are based on strength of argument, not on !votes. Because AIs have literally never proven themselves able to apply Wikipedia policies and guidelines to sources, AI-generated responses will usually be discounted by closers seeking to weigh the strength of argument. (I share this not for purpose of this argument but only for your own benefit as a Wikipedia editor and this will be my last word on the subject.) Dclemens1971 (talk) 14:27, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Dclemens1971 And I don't think an editor that generates their responses using AI is qualified to be a Wikipedia editor. Opyquad (talk) 14:37, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - All of the main sources cited are WP:NEWSORGNIGERIA or barely mention him. 🄻🄰 14:07, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@लॉस एंजिल्स लेखक I think you should read the article we're discussing for deletion before drawing your conclusions. A promotional piece is unlikely to address the controversies surrounding the subject. Let’s review the page with an open mind while adhering to Wikipedia’s guidelines. It is unfair to delete a page simply because the sources are from Nigeria. Where else are editors in Nigeria expected to obtain sources if biases against Nigerian media persist? Opyquad (talk) 14:34, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Can’t find a bit of notability here. Fails WP:ENT or WP:GNG. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 11:25, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: does not appear to meet WP:BASIC. Mamani1990 (talk) 13:40, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Paddy Scott

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Cannot see or find anything to suggest notability. TheLongTone (talk) 14:33, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your message TheLongTone. My thoughts on notability had been that it adds context to the Willis Resilience Expedition article as well as the family information of Bladen Hawke and Sir Nicholas Scott JaneBotha94 (talk) 14:43, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I have also added the appropriate incoming links so it is no longer an orphan article JaneBotha94 (talk) 14:49, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, nothing gets this photographer close to notability for an entry into Wikipedia per the sources cited in the article and WP:BEFORE search conducted. Mekomo (talk) 15:31, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Tentative Keep. See Category:Fellows of the Royal Geographical Society, while his FRGS status alone does not constitute notability, if a fair amount of well-sourced information can be found, the article should remain. The article has just been created today, see WP:BEFORE C.2 - the article likely requires time to develop. TheOilSpillExpert (talk) 23:01, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep For work relating to Willis Resilience Expedition, live interviews from the Antarctic Interior are rare, and were even rarer (if not a first) in 2013/24 Mary.Cunliffe66 (talk) 12:13, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I feel his work raising awareness of cancer in younger men, as well as the added context to the page Sir Nicholas Scott gives a level of notability. I agree that the article will develop further with time. JaneBotha94 (talk) 09:42, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Aishwarya Rutuparna Pradhan

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I could not find significant coverage about this person. Fails WP:GNG. Rajeev Gaur123 (talk) 15:23, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Does not meet notability guidelines. TheOilSpillExpert (talk) 22:46, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ali Raza (actor)

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Disputed draftification. I do not believe redraftifying would allow this to be accepted because no amount of editing can conjure notability from nowhere. Fails WP:NACTOR. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 09:55, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: Meets WP:NACTOR with at least two main/lead roles in notable productions + other significant roles. Can be expanded through sources like https://www.thenews.com.pk/magazine/you/1063549-ali-raza (containing an interview; bylined presentation). Declining creation because iit needs improvement could have been OK but not because it does not meet WP:NACTOR. Because it does. -Mushy Yank. 12:25, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think that interview means means much for to WP:Notability, see WP:INTERVIEW. And declining wasn't an option for the nominator, as they said in the nom, this is a disputed draftification; this is an procedurally correct nomination. Follow up @Mushy Yank, I'm just going through the filmography on the article, which two are you considering main/lead roles in notable productions? I'm not sure I'm totally convinced but I could be persuaded to agree. Bobby Cohn (talk) 18:38, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Bobby CohnOh, no the interview is not to prove notability directly, just an exemple of what can be used to improve the page and verify the importance of the roles. Regarding procedure; I did not say this could not be AfDed (everything can), just commenting on the fact that the nomination's rationale is based on NACTOR, just like the reason to decline the creation at AfC was. Lead/main cast roles in Muhabbat Gumshuda Meri, & Noor Jahan (2024 TV series) ; significant roles (not minor) in Duniyapur (TV series) & Gunah (TV series). I'm leaving it at that. Best, -Mushy Yank. 20:24, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: per nom. --- Bhairava7 • (@píng mє-tαlk mє) 14:22, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Having lead roles does not make someone inherently notable. They need the significant coverage to support. The references are interviews, puff pieces, or otherwise unreliable. On a side note, this was more than just draftification. It was draftified, then declined, then still moved to the mainspace. --CNMall41 (talk) 19:26, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Echoing the nom, fails NACTOR and GNG. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 02:47, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Pardon me, but "fail[ing] WP:NACTOR", how, please? -Mushy Yank. 12:10, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
How is it otherwise? Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 21:17, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Just read the guideline and read the page. It is obviously a pass of WP: NACTOR. See my comment above. -Mushy Yank. 21:26, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I read the guidelines and read the page. In my opinion, he did not have any significant roles, in fact filmography section is devoid of any reliable sources. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 21:46, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
No significant roles????? REALLY? I will assume good faith then.... if you honestly want to check, just click on the links about the series.....I’m leaving it at that. -Mushy Yank. 21:52, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
How does a mention in a Wikipedia article confer notability? Almost, none of those articles has his role supported by a reliable source. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 22:05, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Almost? Meaning, you find a few that confirm them, after all? :D Again, I am assuming good faith. -Mushy Yank. 22:09, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Once again, the content covered in other Wikipedia articles about the subject does not establish notability. Almost meaning the ones I checked lack reliable sources amounting to WP:SIGCOV. He is a young emerging actor but does not have coverage at the level of establishing notability. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 23:26, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
NACTOR is not about SIGCOV (just read it, it's not long), NACTOR is about significance of roles in notable productions. 2 sources in English almost at random to confirm 2 different significant roles in 2 notable productions: https://www.dawn.com/news/1773436 ; https://images.dawn.com/news/1192720. Again, read my comments above. Thank you. (NB- I never said that mentions in WP confer notability, please read me carefully.) -Mushy Yank. 23:41, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

NACTOR is 100% about significant coverage. Again, it is under additional criteria (a subsection of WP:BIO which is the actual guideline) and says "may" which is only an indication a person could meet the overall WP:BIO guideline. --CNMall41 (talk) 23:52, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

No. See below and read the guideline. -Mushy Yank. 00:07, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

He is barely mentioned in those two sources. In my opinion, both of these roles do not fulfill the merits of WP:NACTOR. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 00:01, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

But mentioned, right, with his roles? That are significant (not minor), and in notable productions? Correct? So, well, NACTOR applies.. -Mushy Yank. 00:06, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

significant roles in multiple productions, in my opinion, a role is only significant if it is thoroughly discussed in reliable sources. Merely the role being mentioned does not make it significant. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 00:55, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

"Merely the role being mentioned does not make it significant", sure, absolutely, but again, that is not what I said; it depends on what is said about it. Significant roles in the production (lead/main/recurring/etc) make a NACTOR pass; just like a director plays a significant role in the making of a film. A noted part in/of a noted film can be considered notable enough and that is why such guidelines exist. If coverage allows to verify it, it can/may be considered enough. By the same token, it may be considered insufficient and I understand that is your take but that does not change the fact that it's a NACTOR pass. Really no further comment from me here. Thanks. -Mushy Yank. 01:02, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The guideline reads "may be considered notable" (as pointed out in other AfD's), not "is considered notable." The person could have 20 significant roles and not be notable unless there is significant coverage to support. Here, the coverage falls short.--CNMall41 (talk) 21:51, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Even GNG uses ”may”. WP: NACTOR is a solid reason to keep a page. You can judge it’s not enough if you want but still it’s a perfectly acceptable reason to consider a person notable. This is a NACTOR pass and that is that and that is the applicable guideline. -Mushy Yank. 21:56, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

NACTOR is not a pass/fail, it is only an indicator of WP:BASIC which requires significant coverage. --CNMall41 (talk) 22:40, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

No. That is simply. not. true. NACTOR is a specific notability guideline for people. You may not like it, you may want to change it or to get rid of it, and you still may !vote to delete or to redirect a page when a subject passes its requirements but it is a notability guideline and the applicable one in the present case. Thank you for your time. -Mushy Yank. 22:55, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It is not. It is only part of a guideline that says "may" (meaning "could be" or "possibly"). If you look at the entire guideline (not just the tiny carve out under "additional criteria"), you will see that a person must still meet WP:BASIC. It is not what I like or don't. It is literally what the guidelines says. I do not see anything that says a person "is" notable if they have had significant roles. If I missed that part, please point it out. --CNMall41 (talk) 23:32, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you but again, I am very sorry but what you are saying is not true. Again, even GNG does not say something like "Subjects Meeting GNG "ARE" notable and this cannot be discussed and their notability cannot be challenged".

The page WP:Notability (people) says: "People are likely to be notable if they meet any of the following standards...."(=additional criteria [including NACTOR] ). Not "if they meet any of the following standards AND the basic criteria".

Again, one can perfectly judge that a WP:NACTOR pass (or a GNG pass, or a NDIRECTOR pass, or a BASIC pass) is not sufficient but one can also think it's enough; and that is one reason why AfDs exist. I will rephrase: a simple WP:NACTOR pass CAN be (and often is) considered enough for notability (and that is because it is a (specific) notability guideline); it does not guarantee inclusion, that's all.

You may not like it, you may call that specific guideline tiny and want to change it but that is the way it (currently) is. See Cavarrone's comment on the thread you yourself initiated there, please......I really have no further comment. -Mushy Yank. 00:05, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Fallacy by assertion. I also never called something tiny. Again, please show me where it says someone "IS" notable for having significant roles. I will not hold my breath here. --CNMall41 (talk) 00:09, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Fallacy by assertion?? :D Sure, if you say so. "I also never called something tiny." But of course you did. "(not just the tiny carve out under "additional criteria")" No further comment.... -Mushy Yank. 00:15, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Don't twist my words to support your assertion. "Tiny" referred to the size, not the significance. --CNMall41 (talk) 00:17, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't twist your words (let alone to support any assertion of mine, mind you). I just quoted one word you wrote. And you denied having used it. That's all. -Mushy Yank. 00:20, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Final question which still hasn't been answered. Is there anywhere in NACTOR that says an actor "is" notable for having significant roles?--CNMall41 (talk) 01:01, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Tim Brunero

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Fails GNG TheLoyalOrder (talk) 07:55, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Big Brother Australia 2005. LibStar (talk) 23:20, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Payal Dhare

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The subject does not pass WP:GNG and WP:ANYBIO. Taabii (talk) 06:22, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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My opinion may not count, but yes APenguinThatIsSilly("talk") 21:21, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@APenguinThatIsSilly Kindly clear your stand, Keep, Delete, Redirect or a Comment. Taabii (talk) 18:57, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you.

Delete, I agree with proposer. APenguinThatIsSilly("talk") 23:26, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Meeting the prime minister is WP:SINGLEEVENT and I cannot establish the relevancy of Gaming Creator of the Year etc. Perhaps redirect somewhere or delete. IgelRM (talk) 22:10, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Non notable award. The sources with significant coverage do not have any bylines and the sources with bylines are interviews. Not enough independent reliable sources, fails WP:GNG. Jeraxmoira🐉 (talk) 08:25, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Joseph N. Macaluso Sr.

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seems to fail WP:N, no secondary sources in the article, google search turns up nothing Reflord (talk) 01:52, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Setting aside the large amount of unsourced content (not really a deletion reason by itself per WP:DINC), we have none of the in-depth and independent published reliable sources needed for WP:GNG and no claim of notability through any other criterion that could bypass GNG. —David Eppstein (talk) 07:31, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Almost certainly written by someone close to the subject, such as a family member, given that they had access to Macaluso's childhood photos. Many of the refs are not notability lending, such as proof of his counseling license (cited twice) and a program for an event by a local group (also listed as 2 separate refs). He wrote a book but I doubt WP:AUTHOR applies as the publisher, RoseDog Books, redirects to another publishing company that appears to handle self-published books and who's article is sourced entirely by non-RS references like BBB reviews and probably isn't notable either. Best, GPL93 (talk) 13:09, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
delete -- What a wonderfully written article about someone who served his country well and was clearly beloved. It is such a shame to delete and hope that some place archives it and keeps it. If Wikipedia had a policy "if an article is really great and the person seems really nice, you can keep it even if it's unreferenced and unnotable," this would be a strong keep. But it doesn't (and I'm not going to invoke WP:IAR on this) so, sigh, delete. -- Michael Scott Asato Cuthbert (talk) 19:04, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete fails WP:GNG and WP:NOTMEMORIAL. Mztourist (talk) 10:39, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Daniel Elliot Stuntz

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I could find no secondary source about this person. One book by Margaret McKenny and Stuntz, The New Savory Wild Mushroom, does have some reviews, but I'm not convinced that's enough to make him notable. Badbluebus (talk) 22:01, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. There's an 8 page biography already cited in the article: Ammirati, Joe F.; Libonati-Barnes, Susan (1986). "Daniel Elliot Stuntz, 1909-1983". Mycologia. 78 (4): 515–521. ISSN 0027-5514.. Another one is Ammirati, J. F. (1983). "Daniel Elliot Stuntz". Taxon. 32 (3): 533–533. ISSN 0040-0262.. He is the coauthor of The Savory Wild Mushroom, which was widely reviewed (e.g. [49], [50]). Jfire (talk) 01:36, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It looks like the 1983 source you showed is an obituary, which to me carries less weight when establishing notability. I'm more inclined to believe that although the book he co-authored could be notable, Stuntz himself is not. Badbluebus (talk) 01:45, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep. To me this idea that obituaries carry less weight is making things up that are not actually in our guidelines. If we have a rule that what we need for an article is in-depth coverage in reliable independent secondary sources, then what we have is exactly that. If you think GNG should be changed to mean something different, then an individual AfD is not the place for that. The bigger issue, though, is that these two obituaries are not independent of each other, because they share an author. That means we do not have multiple independent sources counting towards GNG notability. One coauthored book with two published reviews [51] [52] counts towards WP:AUTHOR but by itself that would again fall short of the mark. I am on the weak keep side of the fence rather than weak delete, though, because I think the book reviews are also in-depth coverage (of Stuntz's works rather than his life story, but still coverage that counts), so putting them together with the obituaries gives us enough. —David Eppstein (talk) 07:14, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Obituaries, especially substantial ones, in main journals in a field are clear evidence of having been notable in that field. -- Michael Scott Asato Cuthbert (talk) 19:31, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Francis Glennie

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This article does not meet the notability criteria (or almost any other criteria) which would make it appropriate to include in Wikipedia. Lukewarmbeer (talk) 18:15, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. I had draftified it to Draft:Francis Glennie, hoping the page creator would take time and care to expand it and make it encyclopedic, but they clearly moved it back too soon. I tried. Est. 2021 (talk · contribs) 07:25, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:GNG - I don't see any serious allegations of notability nor evidence. Bearian (talk) 03:08, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Jacqueline Leo

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Fails WP:NOTPROMO. Article is written like a promotional resume and for that reason alone should be blown up per WP:TNT. The sourcing does not pass WP:GNG. It's possible she might pass WP:NAUTHOR if some book reviews can be located but I wouldn't support keeping this unless it were stubified or rewritten to remove promotional language. 4meter4 (talk) 15:42, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - I have done a bit of editing on this one. The best article in terms of WP:SIGCOV is this one in the New York Times [53]. I have also found reviews of two of her books (see the article), and multiple (more minor) mentions of her work over the years. DaffodilOcean (talk) 07:01, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

William Parente

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Fails WP:BIO1E and WP:EVENTCRIT and WP:NOTNEWS. Article is sourced entirely to news sources in April 2009. No evidence of lasting significance in WP:SUSTAINED coverage or WP:DIVERSE sourcing. The last AFD was in 2009. Distance should give us better perspective that the event wasn't significant. 4meter4 (talk) 15:24, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Is profiled for a large portion of the Prometheus Books book "Killer Dads" by journalist Mary Papenfus, which has a lot of detail and analysis to pass WP:NEVENT and by extension WP:NCRIMINAL. On the strength of that source alone, I would vote keep. I can retitle it and shuffle stuff around to "eventify" it as "Parente family murders" or something, though with familicides we don't always do that because of how they're covered, and also in this one there's the thing about the Ponzi scheme.... There's also later news coverage and commentary due to the bizarre involvement of the Ponzi scheme in this whole affair. PARAKANYAA (talk) 15:59, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. Agree with PARAKANYAA that the book coverage demonstrates sustained coverage and in combination with news coverage at the time is enough to meet WP:GNG. The book is available on IA by the way. Not opposed to eventifying the article but the topic should be kept. Jfire (talk) 17:17, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. @ PARAKANYAA is there one more source from outside of the 2009 window of coverage? Papenfus' book is certainly a great find, but I would think we would need at least one more source of this quality to satisfy WP:EVENTCRIT. If you are able to find one more of this calibre I will gladly withdraw the nomination. I do think we should retitle the article as an event.4meter4 (talk) 17:23, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Ky Dickens

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I checked the first 26 sources for any sign of passing WP:NBASIC. Nothing. The sources are all either interviews, promotional press releases/churnalism, passing mentions (credits), or primary. Not convinced that this passes WP:NDIRECTOR either. Most of the Awards and recognition section are non-notable awards. Two of her films have articles, but notability isn't inherited. qcne (talk) 12:06, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Agree, it also before I did significant editing it was clear that it had been written by the subject herself 2A01:4B00:88BE:DF00:C79:3693:EC66:C21B (talk) 14:33, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

~~Keep~~: Passes NDIRECTOR through Sole Survivor, Fish Out of Water and Zero Weeks (reviews here, here, here and here). Somebodyidkfkdt (talk) 15:44, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Struck keep vote as WP:TNT applies. The subject is notable through NDIRECTOR but the article violates PROMO. Somebodyidkfkdt (talk) 02:35, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Completely unnoteworthy and largely written by the subject of the article without disclosure.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Kydickens Internetronic (talk) 16:54, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

All edits by that account were immediately reverted (not that other edits to the article couldn't have been COI). Nardog (talk) 11:33, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Reddit post detailing why it should be deleted.Kayn bred 02:23, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: I’m also skeptical as to whether the two films mentioned that do have articles even deserve them too 2A01:4B00:88BE:DF00:D083:FA22:6B14:99A1 (talk) 09:46, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. The primary reason this article is of note to me is that since late 2024, Dickens' primary claim to fame (notoriety?) has been The Telepathy Tapes, a podcast that I do not think I, as an autistic person, can talk about objectively.
I agree that WP:TNT would be the least circuitous route to a quality Biography, if some iteration of the article was permitted(?) to remain in the database.
Also, I want to make sure I understand Wikipedia:Introduction to deletion process § How does the deletion process work? correctly. The page was proposed for deletion on January 12, so if the vote to delete the page is unanimous (which of course it might not be), it could be deleted on the 19th. Is that correct? Thank you for your help!! Finalgirlfall (talk) 17:24, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi User:Finalgirlfall, that's correct. On the 19th or 20th (usually), an uninvolved administrator will look at the discussion and determine if there is a consensus to close the discussion. If there's not, they'll relist the discussion for 1-3 additional weeks, checking in each week to see how the discussion has evolved. Otherwise, they'll close the discussion and take whatever the consensus action is (such as deleting the article). Cheers, Suriname0 (talk) 01:10, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to The Telepathy Tapes - I do think Dickens meets WP:NDIRECTOR as it is usually applied, but without good secondary coverage to meet WP:GNG I'm skeptical of maintaining this as its own article. (I'm not particularly concerned about WP:PROMO here; the article is short, and can be trivially reduced to a series of simple verifiable claims by removing the awards and recognitions section entirely and trimming Career.) I suspect that higher-quality profiles of Dickens are imminent, given the recent prominence of The Telepathy Tapes. This review in The Times, for example, contains a few substantive sentences on Dickens. A few more sources like that would lead me to vote Keep. For now, we're better off selectively merging info (a few sentences at most) about the host to The Telepathy Tapes. Suriname0 (talk) 01:36, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose merge as long as Sole Survivor (2013 film) and Fish Out of Water (2009 film) are standalone articles. As a reader, there's nothing more frustrating than clicking a name in an article about a work to learn about them and being redirected to an article about another work. Delete is a far more preferable outcome. Nardog (talk) 13:29, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I personally still would softly favor a merge (as a reader, I prefer ending up on the page that has the most information about them), but pageview data suggests that the Sole Survivor page had 10000 views in 2024, which does make a redirect much less appealing. Suriname0 (talk) 21:36, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:TNT. First off, this is such a mess right now that it would take a huge amount of time and effort to fix the multiple, obvious, tag-able issues. Secondly, as Jay8g discovered and reverted, autobiographical edits by the subject or a close contact, are reason enough to delete or at least page-protect. Third, the subject's major claim to notability is based upon a fringe idea. Meta and X might allow such biased opinions, but we are not primarily a social media platform. I'm not against a redirect to The Telepathy Tapes, which is labeled as speculative and is possibly notable (although I don't concede that). Bearian (talk) 03:49, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Demzy BaYe

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Fails WP:MUSICBIO and all the sources cannot count toward WP: GNG. There are also elements of source farming here, in June 2024, this source was published in up to nine ([54] , [55], [56], [57], [58], [59], [60], [61] different newspapers with different titles but same contents word for word. Probably, the subject's notability is tied to being the originator of Baye Dance step, however, the dance step is also not notable. I would have redirect it to Dance with a Purpose Academy (DWP Academy) but it has no page on Wikipedia. Ibjaja055 (talk) 10:20, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: In accepting the draft of this article, I considered it under WP:NMUSICOTHER, and yes, took the invention of dance steps to be notable, supported by national shows and performances, as documented. I don't think we're seeing source farming - rather, as happens with AP and similar, a base article was probably produced in one source location and circulated (it's not a press release) - the piece was found in respectable sources such as the Accra Times - so the only limitation is that that counts only once. Given performance, choreography, etc., I believe GNG is met, if not by much - I've seen a lot of less-well-attested articles (and yes, WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is valid, but I weight what there is vs. the source base in Ghana). SeoR (talk) 17:31, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@SeoR Thanks for the explanation but I took my time to go through all the sources and couldn't find GNG sources. The widely circulated source is highly promotional with flowery languages.hijacking the internet...He boasts a remarkable footprint... the multidimensional dance powerhouse whose talent has garnered widespread admiration and inspired an entire generation. .... Other sources are social media gossips like [62] [63] [64] and so on. Ibjaja055 (talk) 21:53, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for coming back, and I see your point. I do think the over-circulated article could be genuine "entertainment journalism" which often tends to the flowery, but I agree it's not ideal. And the "gossipy" materials are only good for background, not as primary references. I will try to search some of the main Ghana media sites for more. In the end, this was a "Random AfC" and I have no attachment, but I am aware that our coverage of areas such as arts in most non-EU, non-Anglosphere countries could use a boost, so I'd be loathe to lose an article with real potential. SeoR (talk) 00:30, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Susovan Roy

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Non-notable actor, doesn't passes WP:NACTOR. I got a mail from User:Xegma, they written, Hi Taabi, this is my article https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susovan_Roy why you tag deletion for it. Please remove it. I'm that actor pls withdraw it. They also closed the discussion and drafted the page. It's a clear WP:COI. The closing admin can ask me for the proof of their mail, I'll be happy to share. Taabii (talk) 07:56, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Noting here as I did at ANI, Xegma is p-blocked from this discussion to avoid further disruption. They're welcome to contribute elsewhere. Star Mississippi 15:23, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Gerard A. Barbara

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Fails WP:NOTMEMORIAL/WP:VICTIM. The sources are mainly in context to his death as a firefighter on 9/11. Like many first responders he gave his life that day. An admirable man but the sourcing isn't there to meet WP:GNG external to his death.4meter4 (talk) 03:14, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to New_York_City_Fire_Department#September_11_attacks or a similar 9/11 memorials page. Barbara is not otherwise notable. Star Mississippi 04:09, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: 4meter4 is correct about subject's notability. As long as it is done consistently in this situation, i.e. not WP:GNG biography but subject was a good brave soul and first responder (I don't know how common these sort of memorial pages that shouldn't have been created to begin with), making it into a redirect as suggested by Star Mississippi seems reasonable to me.--FeralOink (talk) 11:23, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete fails WP:GNG. Mztourist (talk) 10:41, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Robert J. Blackwell

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Fails WP:SIGCOV. I tried finding sources, and I was able to find lots of WP:PRIMARY materials in presidential libraries, government websites, and in government publications. The best secondary source I found was this one in The New York Times but so much of it is quoting what people said, including Blackwell, and not independent reporting/analysis it's difficult to know whether this too shouldn't be considered a primary document as well. I was unable to locate any source that wasn't PRIMARY that gave a big picture overview of Blackwell. Altogether, couldn't find enough to demonstrate WP:GNG is met.4meter4 (talk) 04:27, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Mordechai Dov Brody

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Fails WP:EVENTCRIT/WP:BIO1E (same way we apply WP:VICTIM in subjects only known for their death.) The article is sourced to a bunch of news coverage in November 2008 over a two week period. No indication of lasting significance in WP:SUSTAINED or WP:DIVERSE sources. If this is kept it should not be titled as a biography page as the person was not notable outside this event.4meter4 (talk) 4meter4 (talk) 05:09, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Harsh Beniwal

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Here we are again, a year after the fourth deletion discussion was closed as Delete. Speedy was declined so we are here to decide yet once again if this meets notability guidelines. Nothing since the last AfD shows notability. Note that most of the press is from reliable sources, but it is all similar to this which is unreliable churnalism and falls under WP:NEWSORGINDIA. CNMall41 (talk) 20:40, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Pinging everyone from the last deletion discussion to see if they see anything I don't as far as notability that has taken place since this was closed in 2023. @Worldiswide:, @Mooonswimmer:, @Edwardx:, @Pharaoh of the Wizards:
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Delete: Sources 2 and 7 are RS, but trivial coverage, barely anything beyond a paragraph. This [65] is about what you find, celebrity shares photos. This [66] is barely longer than a paragraph. We don't have enough sourcing for notability. Oaktree b (talk) 21:26, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: meets WP:NACTOR or WP:ENTERTAINER as Harsh has had played significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows. He has played an important role in the film Student of the Year 2, played the lead role in the film Checkmate.. He has also played the lead role in the series Who's Your Daddy?, Who Killed Jessica?, and Heartbeats, also played an important role in the TV series Campus Diaries. This is an in-depth coverage which is talking about his journey. 1, 2 are reliable sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jitujadab90 (talk • contribs) 23:08, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The first one is unreliable per WP:NEWSORGINDIA. The other two were already decided in the four previous AfD's to not be enough. Looking closer, they are churnalism based off the announcement of his roles. What press can you provide since the last AfD that would be considered in-depth?--CNMall41 (talk) 23:40, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Checked WP:NEWSORGINDIA; not a single word is saying News18 is unreliable. So we can say News18 is a reliable source. The other two are not churnalism, as the two articles are written by journalists; the 1st is reported by Archit Mehta on May 7, 2019, and the 2nd one is reported by Sana Farzeen on April 13, 2019. Jitujadab90 (talk) 07:50, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Not quite. Just because NEWSORGINDIA doesn't explicitly mention News18 among the examples it gives of media outlets engaging in churnalism, doesn't mean that News18 doesn't do that; a variation on the theme of "absence of evidence is not evidence of absence". In any case, NEWSORGINDIA is making the general point that "even legitimate" outlets commonly do this. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 08:54, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, respected or legitimate news outlets sometimes engage in churnalism. But does this mean News18 is an unreliable source? If so, then on what basis will you judge that News18 is an unreliable source? Can you point to any policy that backs up the statement that News18 is unreliable? Jitujadab90 (talk) 09:11, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

No, it means that News18 shouldn't likely be used if you have better sources. Churnalism is the issue, not any news source in particular. Oaktree b (talk) 16:48, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

What do you think of these sources? 1 2 Jitujadab90 (talk) 18:42, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

No one said the publication is not reliable. The source itself is unreliable per NEWSORGINDIA. There is no byline, it is marked as being created by "buzz staff" or "trending desk" which is a clear sign of churnalism. So, it is not that News18 isn't reliable...it is that particular reference in News18 that is unreliable. As far as the two you just posted above, they are not in-depth and the second one (the publication itself) is unreliable. --CNMall41 (talk) 20:33, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I will stick to my vote to keep, as Harsh has more than 16 million subscribers on YouTube (according to WP:NYOUTUBE, Subscriber count helps meet the second criteria of WP:ENT). Also, he has had significant roles in multiple notable television shows such as Campus Diaries, Who's Your Daddy?, Who Killed Jessica?, and Heartbeats, thus satisfying WP:ENT. Jitujadab90 (talk) 21:40, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

That essay is a great guide, but there is no subject-specific criteria for notability on YouTubers. I do respect your contention and the right to vote !Keep however. --CNMall41 (talk) 21:46, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Added more news reference which are reliableThe Pioneer, The Quint, Rediff (RS for subscribe count), The Statesman, News18 Interview Jitujadab90 (talk) 11:10, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: This is this article (or some version of it) fifth visit to AFD. It would help to get more of a consensus here and if recently identified sources were fairly assessed.
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Mike Abrams (criminal)

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Tagged for sourcing issues since 2017. Not clear the subject meet WP:GNG or is compliant with WP:CRIMINAL.4meter4 (talk) 09:10, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Notability not established. No inline citations whatsoever. Spideog (talk) 11:38, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep (?) I never know how to write these mobster articles, but he is described as a significant mobster in several books on the topic, including topical crime encyclopedias. [67] [68] [69]. I will add sources later PARAKANYAA (talk) 01:08, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Everything in the article was in those two books. Could probably be expanded further he's covered a decent amount but it at least verifies now. PARAKANYAA (talk) 01:16, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Nana Akosua Frimpomaa

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The subject of the article fails WP:NPOL. Simply being a flag bearer of a political party in an election does not inherently establish notability. I proposed a deletion few days ago, but the tag was removed by the author of the article. Idoghor Melody (talk) 09:39, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello @Idoghor Melody I was the one who created the article and I did not remove the tag for deletion. Check your facts right before making an accusation. daSupremo

18:55, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@DaSupremo, I'm really sorry about that mix up. Idoghor Melody (talk) 21:26, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

That's fine daSupremo

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Keep: Describing her merely as a "flagbearer" (a vague, unrevealing term) obscures her significance as described in the article. She was the National Chairperson of the Convention People's Party. She won a Presidential Primary. She was also named Female Politician of the Year in Ghana. Her notability appears much clearer than this misleading nomination reveals. Spideog (talk) 11:16, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Thanks @Spideog for your input daSupremo

19:02, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Hello Idoghor Melody, I removed the tag because the subject clearly meets notability guidelines, and I second what Spideog has stated in support of keeping this article. Describing the subject merely as a "flagbearer" significantly downplays her notability, as Spideog rightly pointed out.

I find it surprising that the nomination suggests the subject fails WP:NPOL. The guideline clearly states that "Major local political figures who have received significant press coverage" are notable. While it’s true that "just being an elected local official or an unelected candidate for political office does not guarantee notability", this individual exceeds those basic criteria, given her prominent leadership roles and national recognition, including her election as National Chairperson of a political party and being named Female Politician of the Year.

I would kindly advise the nominator to review the relevant notability guidelines again. This article demonstrably satisfies both the specific (WP:NPOL) and general (WP:GNG) notability standards. Repeated nominations for deletion without fully considering these criteria risk discouraging valuable contributions to Wikipedia. Robertjamal12 ~🔔 01:47, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: All what I am seeing here is WP:BLP1E. 98 percent of the Sources provided in the article are about her campaign as the flag bearer of a party to participate in an election that she did not win. 99 percent of the sources lack WP:SIGCOV and cannot be used as WP:GNG sources. Only this vaguely discusses other aspects of her life which is also tied to being a flag bearer. Also, if she had won the highest National Award of Ghana, I know this article wouldn't be in AfD. She won a non notable award, given to her by her political party. I tried to check for process of the award and could not find anything on the internet. From the above, it is very clear that this subject fails WP:NPOL and the sources cannot establish WP:SIGCOV Ibjaja055 (talk) 08:46, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Ibjaja055

I’m surprised by how you reviewed this article according to WP:NPOL and WP:SIGCOV. If 98% of the sources truly lack significant coverage, I wonder whether you conducted an independent review beyond the sources already provided in the article to assess the subject’s overall notability.

Additionally, I find the repeated misinterpretation of WP:GNG and WP:SIGCOV concerning articles that clearly meet the criteria quite concerning. The subject may not have won an election, but WP:NPOL explicitly states that "Major local political figures who have received significant press coverage" can be notable. It also clarifies that "just being an elected local official or an unelected candidate for political office does not guarantee notability", but individuals in such roles can still be notable if they meet the general notability guideline. This subject, with significant coverage and recognition in Ghana, meets these standards.

I’m genuinely curious as to how your reviews are being conducted because the criteria seem to be applied inconsistently, leading to confusion and frustration.

To conclude, I believe the notability criteria in this case have been misinterpreted, and these types of reviews are discouraging and potentially misleading.—- Robertjamal12 ~🔔 11:07, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Robertjamal12 can you list three references that significantly covered the subject? Almost all her coverage both listed here or online are either about her ambition to become the president or receiving non notable awards. However, I came across a source that would have shown something better though seems like her CV with this statement According to her curriculum vitae... Yet only this cannot convince me to vote a keep. Ibjaja055 (talk) 13:19, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Ibjaja055, I’m not trying to convince you, and I won’t attempt to convince you to vote "keep." As I stated earlier, I’m genuinely curious about how your reviews are being conducted. I would kindly advise you, as a reviewer, to carefully revisit the relevant notability guidelines, specifically WP:NPOL, WP:SIGCOV and WP:GNG. Thank you. — Robertjamal12 ~🔔 13:36, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Robertjamal12 I think you are the one mixing things up here. You don't have to shift the post, provide the three references that meet WP:GNG and WP:SIGCOV if you truly understand the guidelines. Ibjaja055 (talk) 14:07, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Ibjaja055, I am neither mandated nor obligated to provide the three references you’ve requested to prove my understanding of the guidelines. I’ve already shared my submission and reasoning for why the article should be kept.

As I mentioned earlier, I’m genuinely curious about how you review articles based on these criteria, and I’ve offered my advice accordingly. — Robertjamal12 ~🔔 14:32, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Robertjamal12, you are not mandated nor obligated to provide the three references that @Ibjaja055 requested, but you can express concerns about their !vote on this discussion. Nice one! Idoghor Melody (talk) 17:19, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Firstly, it would be very unnecessary to reply to my !vote, especially if you're going to be saying what you already said above. The more often you express the same ideas in a discussion, the less persuasive you become. Please don't BLUDGEON this process. Discussions are for building consensus, not for confronting everyone who disagrees with you.

NPOL#1 says that only when a politician or judge has been elected to hold an international, national, or (for countries with federal or similar systems of government) state/province–wide office or when the politician is a member of the legislative bodies of these levels, whether they have assumed the office or not, would they be presumed notable. Not when the person was only a candidate of the election, the person has to win the election. This does not include winning a political party's primary elections. Even though leaders of registered political parties at the national level are sometimes considered notable despite their party's lack of electoral success, they are subject to the same content policies as any other article and this subject fails the general notability guideline (see a detailed source analysis below).

NPOL#2 says that Major local political figures who have received significant press coverage (emphasis mine) can be presumed notable, and that means that the politician must have been written about, in-depth, independently in multiple news feature articles, by journalists, now, I don't see any of that in the coverages Nana Akosua has received so far, most of these sources are either routine coverages or cookie cutters. Below is a detailed source analysis of why Nana Akosua obviously fails the general notability guideline too.

EDIT: Also, the "Female Politician of the Year" award is a non-notable award.

Source assessment table
Source	Independent?	Reliable?	Significant coverage?	Count source toward GNG?
https://www.gbcghanaonline.com/news/politics/farmer-frimpomaa/2024/	~ This is Ghana's Broadcasting Corporation, a national news corporation. Would it be independent of a presidential election? Of course not. And besides, this piece is a WP:DOGBITESMAN.		This is a WP:DOGBITESMAN. Provides no useful information on the subject.	✘ No
https://www.modernghana.com/news/1344146/cpp-flagbearer-promises-government-for-your-doors.html	I will initiate a..., ... she stated, For us in the CPP..., ... she added. It is also evident that this is a WP:DOGBITESMAN.	I don't see a reason to think a site that anyone can register on to post news (UGC) is a reliable source of information for English Wikipedia.	Again, this is a WP:DOGBITESMAN. Provides no useful information on the subject.	✘ No
https://www.ghanaweb.com/GhanaHomePage/NewsArchive/Why-Nana-Akosua-Frimpomaa-of-the-CPP-wants-to-become-Ghana-rsquo-s-first-female-president-1782539	Speaking with Etsey Atisu on GhanaWeb TV's Election Desk, Nana Akosua, who is also the National Chairperson of the CPP, stressed that...	This piece lacks a byline and that is very unprofessional of a news org.	Another WP:DOGBITESMAN.	✘ No
https://3news.com/elections/	Unaccessed, this is only a database.	No clear editorial oversight].	This is only a database.	✘ No
https://www.bbc.com/pidgin/articles/c1jdgrx6550o			This is another WP:DOGBITESMAN.	✘ No
https://mx24online.com/presidential-candidates/nana-akosua-frimpomaa-convention-peoples-party-cpp/		No clear editorial oversight.		✘ No
https://www.graphic.com.gh/news/politics/ghana-news-cpp-flag-bearer-election-nana-frimpomaa-onsy-nkrumah-submit-forms-promise-economic-revolution-restoration.html		~ There was no consensus on whether the paper is reliable in itself, the last time it was discussed. And even though there is a Board of Directors of the company that owns this paper, there is not clear editorial oversight of the website itself.	Obviously, not of substantial coverage about the subject here.	✘ No
https://www.graphic.com.gh/news/politics/ghana-news-rally-behind-cpp-to-break-duopoly-nana-frimpomaa-urges-electorate.html	Another WP:DOGBITESMAN.	~ Ditto	The single-sentence about her is insufficient substantial coverage.	✘ No
https://www.myjoyonline.com/refund-monies-collected-from-job-applicants-at-state-agencies-cpp-to-government/	Addressing the media at the party’s headquarters in Accra, the Chairperson of the Party, Nana Akosua Frimpomaa said... This piece is entirely dependent on the subject.	But of course, a WP:DOGBITESMAN.		✘ No
https://3news.com/news/politics/cpp-is-the-only-party-that-did-not-fail-ghanaians-chair/	Ditto	Ditto	Nothing like a substantial coverage on the subject here.	✘ No
https://www.asaaseradio.com/election-2024-nana-frimpomaa-sarpong-kumankuma-declared-cpp-flagbearer/			A political party's primary election result, another WP:DOGBITESMAN.	✘ No
https://www.myjoyonline.com/election-2024-its-no-1-for-npp-no-8-for-ndc-on-ballot-paper/			Ditto	✘ No
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Comment: I would like to respectfully raise a potential concern regarding WP:CANVASS. While appropriate notification aimed at improving participation is encouraged, WP:CANVASS warns against selectively notifying users in a way that might influence the outcome of a discussion. In this case, I’ve noticed that several editors have joined the discussion with similar reasoning and viewpoints in quick succession. This has raised questions in my mind about whether notifications were issued in a manner fully compliant with WP:APPNOTE, which requires neutrality and transparency when notifying users. I’m not making an accusation, and I recognize that notifying editors of discussions can be helpful when done correctly. However, to ensure a fair process, I would appreciate it if participants could clarify whether any notifications were issued and, if so, ensure they complied with WP:CANVASS guidelines.

Thank you. Robertjamal12 ~🔔 18:31, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep:This subject passes the basic WP:NPOL criteria and the general English Notability criteria. Owula kpakpo (talk) 18:52, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Frimpomaa was an unsuccessful candidate, and the only coverage I can find of her is of her as a candidate. We do not keep these articles, but we are allowed to cover her candidacy on the election page, and a redirect there would make sense. SportingFlyer T·C 23:10, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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George de Meo

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Tagged for notability and sourcing since 2017. Fails WP:GNG.4meter4 (talk) 04:13, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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del no evidence of notability. --Altenmann >talk 04:45, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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~~Keep~~ quite a bit of coverage here [70] [71] [72] [73], for his weapons dealing was "the single most important source of weapons" of The Troubles, quite the claim to notability as evidenced by sigcov. That is without looking into newsy/other book sources (if you are unsatisfied by the sources I have provided or want me to incorporate them into the article, please ping me I will attempt to find more). PARAKANYAA (talk) 00:38, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Also several pages of coverage in A Secret History of the IRA (though that might be moreso on Harrison). PARAKANYAA (talk) 00:41, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

PARAKANYAA Thank you for finding these. Anything you are willing to do to improve the article is much appreciated.4meter4 (talk) 00:45, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect. Changing vote since, while notable, everything he is notable for is summed up at Provisional Irish Republican Army arms importation. ATM I do not see the content for a split, and since his notability is tied up in so many other people I think this is best for now. PARAKANYAA (talk) 00:56, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Sven Pichal

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This person is convicted of ~~accused of and on trial for~~ (revolting) charges but does not appear to be independently notable (I can't find any WP:GNG-qualifying coverage prior to his arrest) from what he's been charged with. Per WP:CRIMINAL and WP:BLP1E, we shouldn't have a biography of this individual~~, at least not until the trial has concluded with a verdict~~. Dclemens1971 (talk) 20:21, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep. I agree with the nominator that he does not pass NCRIMINAL, but looking at the sourcing on the nl.wiki page nl:Sven Pichal, I do think he passes NBASIC as a TV personality, with articles about him in major publications. Haven't searched too much though, but he is not BLP1E. Also, from what I can tell he was convicted in December 2024. PARAKANYAA (talk) 20:27, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, missed that in the sources. Can you share the coverage you saw that you think clears the WP:SIGCOV bar separate from the crime? Dclemens1971 (talk) 20:48, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: PARAKANYAA, thanks for referring to the NL page. The subject clearly passes GNG and WP:CRIMINAL. Cameremote (talk) I came from a remote place 20:56, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Can you explain how he meets the CRIMINAL requirements? (The victim of the crime is a renowned national or international figure, including, but not limited to, politicians or celebrities; or [t]he motivation for the crime or the execution of the crime is unusual—or has otherwise been considered noteworthy—such that it is a well-documented historic event. I don't think either applies. The question is whether there are enough sources outside the crime to warrant a GNG pass. Dclemens1971 (talk) 21:39, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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David Lee (still photographer)

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Clear case of WP:NOTINHERITED. Everything is related to his brother Spike Lee in a search. Article is sourced to a self published website. Fails WP:GNG.4meter4 (talk) 05:10, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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~~Delete~~ – there are some articles about him (Chicago Sun-Times, AMPAS 1, AMPAS 2), but always in reference to his brother's work. Also wouldn't be opposed to merging to a new "Family" section or similar at Spike Lee, with info from Joie Lee and Cinqué Lee as well. RunningTiger123 (talk) 23:42, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@RunningTiger123 That's not a bad idea on a family section in the Spike Lee article. I would support a selective merge to Spike Lee as an WP:ATD if an editor steps forward who wants to take that on.4meter4 (talk) 23:44, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Changing !vote to merge to make consensus a bit clearer. RunningTiger123 (talk) 02:55, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Steven O'Mahoney-Schwartz

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Relies entirely on primary and non-independent sources. Fails WP:SIGCOV.4meter4 (talk) 03:01, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Tim Peters (software engineer)

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While relatively well known in the Python community I'm not finding general reliable sources to establish notability. NE Ent 21:17, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

DELETE No notability for wikipedia, would be enough for pythonpedia thou. Warmonger123 (talk) 22:37, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: Some coverage here: https://www.theregister.com/2024/08/09/core_python_developer_suspended_coc/ ~Darth Stabro^{Talk • Contribs} 03:20, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: The CoC action has also been covered twice in LWN, although you could argue that that's more coverage of the Python community than Peters himself. If consensus is that he doesn't meet GNG, I'd suggest redirect to Timsort. Adam Sampson (talk) 18:43, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Note that Peters also appears in stories in at least ten issues of Linux Weekly News in the time from 2014 to 2022, before his Code of Conduct misadventure: 2014, 2015, 2017, July 2018,December 2018, February 2019, August 2019, 2020, February 2022, September 2022. After his suspension he also reappears on 9 December 2024, in a normal, technical Python-news story with only tangential links to his suspension. (There may or may not be other stories which my Google search missed: LWN's own search doesn't seem to work.)

In the old LWN archives reaching up to 23 May 2002 Peters appears five times: 1999, June 2000, August 2000, November 2000, 2001. Around the late '90s and early 2000s, though, LWN mostly leant on the "Dr. Dobb's Python-URL!" email newsletter (Google search inside LWN, partial and partly-broken IA archive), which it would reproduce every week, for its Python coverage so Peters mostly appears there. But one could try to reject the Python-URL as a source as lacking independence, since although it was published by Dr. Dobb's it seems it was (usually?, always?) actually written by a comp.lang.python participant. I wouldn't recommend it in this case though, as it would mean suggesting that maybe Frederik Lundh and others were making up what Tim Peters said.

(LWN also contains lots of primary material, especially since it regularly reproduces a whole mailing-list email as a webpage and links to that. But none of the pages linked here are like that.) RW Dutton (talk) 14:20, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

While we're looking at Python-related Peters appearances in reliable-source periodicals, here is an appearance in Sys Admin magazine (ISSN 1061-2688), volume 12 issue 12, December 2003, p. 6, in "Python in Systems Administration: Part I — Better Scripting" by Cameron Laird:
The idea can be a hard pill to swallow at times, because it conflits with the "code re-use" imperative we all learn. Tim Peters is a senior engineer with Zope Corporation whose standing in the Python community is second only to Python's inventor, Guido van Rossum. Peters once made the case in these words: "It's easier to write appropriate code from scratch in Python than to figure out how to use a package profligate enough to contain canned solutions for all common and reasonable use cases."

Like various mentions of Peters in LWN, this one is not trivial. The author uses Peters' example to explain the main argument of his article, and also appeals to Peters' authority to help justify it. The one catch here is that Laird himself is another Python community activist. But—aside from the fact that Laird did not edit the magazine or approve the article—any complaint about lack of independence is, as with his Python-URL mentions, only relevant here if one wants to argue that maybe the Python community has been involved in a co-ordinated multi-decade campaign to intentionally overstate Peters' importance to the Python community. RW Dutton (talk) 13:00, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

KEEP If someone has created two things that are notable (Timsort and Zen of Python) it makes sense that that person has notability. Also, without this article, how would anyone know the creators of those two things is the same person? LarsHolmberg (talk) 09:36, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Peters is probably also mainly responsible for SpamBayes (though Gary Robinson shares significant credit).

(Among Python things, he also created the doctest module, which has its own WP page.) RW Dutton (talk) 14:51, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

KEEP. (I confess my interest as the first editor of Tim Peters (software engineer).) I can write more on Peters' notability, but I should respond to others first.

What is meant by "While relatively well known in the Python community I'm not finding general reliable sources to establish notability."? Is the concern that sources like the PSF and the PyPy Team lack independence when it comes to Peters? Or is the suggestion that being one of the most influential Python core developers is not in itself high-impact enough to make one notable? Or that Peters is maybe not really that influential inside Python? In any case, Peters' impact outside of Python is provably high enough to make him notable on its own. RW Dutton (talk) 12:37, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Notability in relation to Timsort: some of the evidence for Peters' notability in relation to Timsort. (Apologies to all for the late submission, but this has taken a lot of time.)

FOLDOC I'm not sure whether English Wikipedia considers FOLDOC a good source these days, but Peters has an entry there, simply as "[t]he implementer of Timsort".
Google V8 team Google's official V8 dev blog on V8's (and so Chrome's) adoption of Timsort also called attention to Peters:
Timsort, initially developed by Tim Peters for Python in 2002, could best be described as an adaptive stable Mergesort variant. Even though the details are rather complex and are best described by the man himself or the Wikipedia page, the basics are easy to understand.
Sebastian Wild and collaborators In 2022 the University of Liverpool put out "Liverpool computer scientists improve Python sorting function" (picked up by IEEE Xplore, summarised with no Peters material by ACM TechNews). This was about work done related to Timsort by Sebastian Wild, a senior lecturer in CS at Liverpool as well as head of the Algorithms Group at the University of Marburg, and others.
Dr. Wild had been studying TimSort, a custom sorting algorithm invented by Tim Peters, an influential Python developer, and specifically its merge policy, which determines the order in which detected runs are successively "merged" to form longer runs, until eventually the list is fully sorted.

Dr. Wild said ... "I'm very happy that Tim Peters himself took our idea into the CPython reference implementation. His Timsort implementation is a masterpiece of algorithm engineering, and nobody knows this code like he does."
Now this was more or less a university press release. So not exactly the most prestigious kind of scientific communication, but we don't need peer-reviewed publications for this purpose. In any case Wild's quoted statement about Peters is a direct statement from a topic expert. Also, to be clear, it's a press release from the University of Liverpool, something which is quite independent of Peters and the Python commmunity. Nor is Wild a Pythonist. On the other hand, Peters had accepted Wild's suggested changes to CPython's Timsort (and maybe might accept future changes?), so arguably that reduces Wild's independence here.

Wild has given further coverage to Peters in other non-peer-reviewed but expert publications. In his Fall 2022 lectures for Liverpool's COMP526 "Efficient Algorithms", specifically in video 3-7 of unit 3:

from 3:34, some heartening admiration ;) as well as information about how Peters managed the revision of Python's timsort to Powersort^[1]
at 5:20 and 6:07 discussion of why and how Peters came up with the merge system for Timsort^[2]

Wild also covered this ground in his "Quicksort, Timsort, Powersort - Algorithmic ideas, engineering tricks, and trivia behind CPython’s new sorting algorithm" talk at PyCon US 2023 (Wild's upload of the video):

at 11:34, a similar discussion of Peters' original work on the merge system^[3]
at 5:30, some new information about how Timsort got its name^[4]

Wild gave a conference talk with the same name (and presumably much the same material) at Dagstuhl Seminar 23211, "Scalable Data Structures" in 2023, but there seems to be no recording of that (and it would not have been peer-reviewed either anyway).

Wild also coauthored the Gelling, Nebel, Smith and Wild "Multiway Powersort" paper which was accepted for the ALENEX 2023 symposium:

Indeed, the need of a fast and stable general-purpose sorting method for the CPython reference implementation of the Python programming language was the main motivation for Tim Peters to develop a new variant of Mergesort, known as Timsort

Other CS research literature: several other research papers also mention Peters in ways beyond simply naming or discussing Timsort or citing Peters' work. Here are a few.

Nicolas Auger, Vincent Jugé, Cyril Nicaud and Carine Pivoteau, "On the Worst-Case Complexity of TimSort":
TimSort is a sorting algorithm designed in 2002 by Tim Peters [ 9], for use in the Python programming language. It was thereafter implemented in other well-known programming languages such as Java

And, as advocated by de Gouw et al. and Tim Peters himself, we strongly believe that the best solution would be to correct the algorithm as in the current version of Python, in order to keep it clean and simple.

There is also a conference poster for this paper. It mentions Peters twice, including by beginning a graphical TimSort timeline with a small photograph of him and the text "Invented by Tim Peters".

Jugé, "Adaptive Shivers Sort: An Alternative Sorting Algorithm":
"In 2002, Tim Peters, a software engineer, created a new sorting algorithm, which was called TimSort."
Yu Zhang, Yongwang Zhao, and David Sanan, "A Verified Timsort C Implementation in Isabelle/HOL"
Tim Peters invented Timsort algorithm and applied it in the Python standard library.

Peters himself released a C version Timsort, which is actually a part of the implementation of Python’s List data structure in C and has not been verified.

CS and practitioner textbooks Professional and college textbooks from major publishers which cover Timsort have also made a point of crediting Peters. This is again a partial list. It omits all Python books, and several others.

An undergraduate algorithms textbooks which discusses Timsort in some detail and names Peters as its creator: Data Structures and Algorithms in Java: A Project-Based Approach by Myers, ISBN 9781009260336 , CUP 2025, section 10.4.3 "Merge Sort in Practice: Python’s Timsort", p. 323:
Timsort, named after its creator, Tim Peters, is the default sorting algorithm in Python ...

A short description in another algorithms textbook from Wiley, Data Structures and Algorithms in Java by Goodrich, Tamassia, and Goldwasser, 6th ed., ISBN 9781118808573 , Wiley 2014, ch. 13, p. 562:
Tim-sort (designed by Tim Peters) is a hybrid approach that is essentially a bottom-up merge sort that takes advantage of initial runs in the data while using insertion-sort to build additional runs. Tim-sort has been the standard sorting algorithm in Python since 2003, and it has become the default algorithm for sorting arrays of object types, as of Java SE 7.

A two-page analysis of Timsort in Disk-Based Algorithms for Big Data by Healey, "designed for senior undergraduate and graduate students, as well as professionals" ISBN 9781315302850, CRC Press 2016, Chapter 3.3, "Timsort":
Timsort was proposed by Tim Peters in 2002. It was initially implemented as a standard sorting method in Python. It is now being offered as a built-in sorting method in environments like Android and Java.

RW Dutton (talk) 20:40, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Significant coverage? Some (not all) of these Timsort-related mentions of Peters are fairly brief. Are they enough to be regarded as 'significant coverage'? Here I will point to something which Wikipedia:Arguments_to_avoid_in_deletion_discussions#Trivial_coverage claims is a (bad) example argument:

Delete One source saying she won the Nobel Prize only mentions her once. That's not SIGCOV. HennyYoungman (talk), 13:13, 08 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

While WP:ATA is, it seems, not an English Wikipedia guideline, I think the argument is worth considering here. The "Multiway Powersort" paper credits Timsort (and thus Peters) with bringing strong adaptive sorting performance to widely-used standard libraries for the first time. ^[5] "Adaptive ShiversSort" even credits it with helping to revive interest in sorting research!^[6] We're not talking about the Three Blind Mice here. The academics also clearly see the fact that Timsort came from Peters, an industry guy, as an important piece of context. RW Dutton (talk) 21:26, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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^ "And here's a little comment, um, just from ... well yeah, Tim Peters himself put the code together in the end, and decided after ... He got very interested in playing with this, and experimenting with different options, and at the end, ah, settled for this one." At this point Wild's slides show, in one corner, a picture of an email from Peters announcing his acceptance of the Powersort modificiations
^ "Now, so far it sounds a little similar to bottom-up Mergesort, but remember in bottom-up Mergesort we use the queue, and we always paired up things as they arrived in the same order, and always pairs all the way back. And this really didn't work so well, which is something that Tim Peters realised, so instead he uses a different way. So he puts the runs on the stack, so the topmost is the most recent that you just discovered. And then there's the set of rules that tells you want to do. And I think these rules are still somewhat magic, that they work, at all. We'll see that they don't always work that great, indeed. But that's something that was just discovered a few years ago. And yeah, in Tim Peters' own words, these rules were the first thing he discovered that didn't obviously suck, so he stuck with them, but they're indeed not the most thoughtful part of Timsort."
^ "Why exactly these rules? Well! Tim even publicly confessed, so I'm just citing the bugtracker here, that he didn't spend so much time working on, working on those: it was the first thing that kind of worked, and he decided to stick with it, until ... unless there was a good reason not to, and at the time there was no good reason not to. Unfortunately there is a good reason not to."
^ "Just as an aside, 'Timsort' was—the name started as an inside joke among the core developers, and wasn't really Tim's choice. But yeah, it's got ... it stuck, and once the algorithm was exported to other libraries, it became known by that, so, ah ... be careful with choosing your names. I tried to give a name before I published the algorithm, so that this is off the plate."
^ "Again, Timsort did pioneering work in bringing such adaptive sorting to most modern standard libraries (including Python, Java, Android runtimes, the V8 Javascript engine, Rust, Swift, Apache Spark, Octave, and the NCBI C++ Toolkit), giving users linear complexity for sufficiently sorted inputs."
^ "Hence, the prominence of such a custom-made algorithm over previously preferred optimal algorithms contributed to the regain of interest in the study of sorting algorithms"

Michael Pustilnik

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Relies entirely on primary sources. Fails WP:GNG.4meter4 (talk) 02:45, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Joseph Rodriguez (photographer)

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Fails WP:SIGCOV. The New York magazine piece is a great feature of his photographs but there isn't much prose about the subject accompanying the photos. The other source is the subject's website. There's not enough indepth coverage here to justify an article.4meter4 (talk) 01:29, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. The relevant standard here is WP:CREATIVE, which doesn't require secondary biographical SIGCOV. Here is a full journal article about Rodriguez's work, here are two articles about his work in photography publications that I think give very strong evidence of passing WP:CREATIVE criteria 1, and here are reviews/features of his photography books in The Guardian, The New York Times, the BBC, the Wall Street Journal, Le Monde, the American Historical Association and Vice (that last one being largely an interview) that show a pass on criteria 3. The fact that his work has been the sole subject of a large number of exhibitions in galleries and feature pieces in major newspapers is probably also a pass on criteria 4. I think he easily passes WP:CREATIVE. MCE89 (talk) 06:36, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Edd Gould

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I've been pondering on nominating this for AfD, and I've finally come to the conclusion that this article is not eligible for standalone notability and should either be deleted or merged into Eddsworld (if that article is even notable at this point with such sketchy sourcing). A WP:BEFORE search brings up obituary-style sources and passing mentions in articles. 💽 LunaEclipse 💽 🌹 ⚧ ^{(CALL ME IF YOU GET LOST)} 01:13, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: while i agree Eddsworld isn't sourced properly (and that it probably is impossible to source well given the mainstream media snobness about early-2000s internet culture), this article in particular seems pretty well sourced to me. That his notability mostly comes from the continuation of his work by Ridgewell (ie he became notable mostly posthumously) is irrelevant because he is notable. I think EddsWorld should be merged into etiher TomSka or this article, but that's not the subject.

Themoonisacheese (talk) 09:29, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

There aren't very many in-depth sources (including in the article) but I think there are just enough to support a short article on Gould or Eddsworld. However, most of the coverage is overlapping between Gould and Eddsworld and I don't think there is enough to justify articles on both of them so I would support a merge to Eddsworld (or vice versa). Shapeyness (talk) 15:45, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Eddsworld and Edd Gould have alot of disconnected stuff from eachother, and do have their own histories, alot of content involving the show and it's creator reference these articles, so they are definitely in use.

They should'nt be deleted or merged Charliephere (talk) 19:32, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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David Dimitri

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Dubious notablity. The previous Afd claimed "good sources" which were subsequently refbombed to the article. I reviewed them (and some others) and see nothing but short blurbs in run-off-the-mill reviews of some circus performances and no significant coverage of the person in depth. --Altenmann >talk 23:17, 9 January 2025 (UTC) [reply]

Full quotes from sources cited, for your convenience

One-Ring Circus That Breathes Fellini

Of varying length, they involve the men and women of Les Colporteurs, notably David Dimitri with some nimble, acrobatic tightrope work, in feats of balance, swinging and twirling on ropes, being manipulated like a marionette, flying on a trapeze, clowning and juggling.

The Two-Ring Circus

During celebratory cocktails, they turned their gaze to the Zurich-based tightrope walker David Dimitri (son of the Swiss national treasure Dimitri the Clown) as he traversed a nearly invisible wire a perilous 20 feet above the backyard pond.

Daffiness and Daring In Every Last Ring

Among the daredevils are David Dimitri, the Big Apple's Juilliard-trained Lord of the Wire, who dances to Celtic strains and skips rope on the high wire;

THE FEEL OF A ONE-RING CIRCUS NYT Nov. 22, 1985

Stylistic sympathy notwithstanding, Dimitri had another reason for performing with the Big Apple this year: his 22-year-old son, David, is a member of the troupe. David Dimitri has been performing with circuses since he was 7 years old, when his partner was a llama. Now in his fourth season with the Big Apple Circus, he is thrilled to be on the same bill with his father - but as a name in his own right. I grew up with this image of my dad being very well known in Europe, David Dimitri says. It makes me very happy to be a known, solo performer here, but in the same show with him. It's my own achievement.

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Weak keep. I don't know a lot about this kind of thing, but there are a lot of hits on Swiss newspaper archives [74] [75] [76] [77] [78] [79] [80] [81] [82] [83] [84] [85] some more significant than others. A few look pretty OK, but some are reviews of his performances. If not notable, ATD merge to his father, Dimitri (clown), who is notable. There are more but searching Scriptorium is a nightmare. PARAKANYAA (talk) 23:41, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Yes, there are plenty of hits, because he did plenty of performances. But we need in-depth coverage and the article was not at all improved since its first nomination, hence it exhausted its "presumption of notability" and must go. --Altenmann >talk 23:49, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  Well if the sourcing isn't good enough that's one thing but as far as I'm aware there isn't a set number of AfDs that make WP:NEXIST not apply. There are a lot of listings but there are some sources that seem to be sigcov on the man. So I am unsure. PARAKANYAA (talk) 00:09, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Sal Villanueva

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Subject is only mentioned in passing in the one source. Could find no sources with WP:SIGCOV. Fails WP:ANYBIO/ WP:GNG.4meter4 (talk) 20:39, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: there is evidence that he produced a certified gold album, Tell All Your Friends. Bearian (talk) 23:44, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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List of people from Cumbria

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Only links to two pages which only cover one town and one city in the whole county. This is unnecessary and the same information is widely available in categories. Thirdman (talk) 02:19, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Its outdated as there are now only 2 districts. If kept I will update. Crouch, Swale (talk) 23:37, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Ann Pennington (model)

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Doesn't pass GNG - apart from one puff article seems only to have inherited notability for marriage to Shaun Cassidy Golikom (talk) 05:17, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Shaun Cassidy#Personal life perhaps? Procyon117 (talk) 15:17, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Tengku Baharuddin

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I do not see that this younger son of a Malay sultan passes WP:GNG or WP:NBIO. He does not hold any office that would be presumptively notable, and I don't see any WP:SIGCOV in independent, reliable sources (in the article or in my WP:BEFORE search) that would pass the general notability guideline. Dclemens1971 (talk) 03:31, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Husam Zaman

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This person does not meet WP:ACADEMIC, for being a university president! Sabirkir (talk) 19:38, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Less than 200 cites in GS fails WP:Prof#C1. Xxanthippe (talk) 21:45, 8 January 2025 (UTC).[reply]
Weak keep. There has been some recent talk about college presidents being notable if they pass WP:SIGCOV, even if they're not notable as scholars. Can we get some consensus? Bearian (talk) 03:51, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Of course they can be notable if they pass some other criterion, but it has to be shown that they do. I do not see it here. Xxanthippe (talk) 04:05, 11 January 2025 (UTC).[reply]

Keep It would be better for creator to introduce the subject as the ″university president″, not just an ″academic″. The subject seems to satisfy WP:NPROF#C6 based on serving as a president or chairman of universities. I believe the stated reason for nomination is inaccurate: This person does not meet WP:ACADEMIC, for being a university president!. WP:NPROF#C6 specifically addresses this matter. Additionally, his role as president of a governmental organization (ETEC) in field of education could be considered him as a politician. Also, the article mentions local/national awards received by the subject, and other Arabic sources may be consulted to pass other criterion for notability. Gedaali (talk) 14:06, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. According to https://seu.edu.sa/gs/en/admission/, the Saudi Electronic University offers bachelors and masters degrees only, and therefore cannot be construed as satisfying C6 of WP:NPROF. Taif University might qualify at first glance but the cited sources list him as a "Director" and the Wikipedia page says that the highest level official is "President." Being an appointed member of an evaluation board does not connect to any of the WP:NPROF criteria. I cannot tell from the citations for the awards whether they are notable enough for WP:NPROF; if I became convinced of that I could change my recommendation to "Keep" but right now all I see is a page about a career administrator. Qflib (talk) 23:05, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. SEU is not a major academic institution for the purposes of C6—just 2700 papers total across all time periods and fields indexed by Scopus, and its affiliation with for-profit scam schools in the US like Walden is very suspect—and the awards are nowhere near significant enough for other NPROF criteria. The sources also say his appointment was not "president" but rather "general supervisor" of the SEU branch in Medina, quite a different position. JoelleJay (talk) 00:42, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Patrick Smith (Vicar of Great Paxton)

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No evidence this individual passes WP:NBIO, WP:GNG. No pass on WP:NAUTHOR either; there's a published response to Smith's polemic on Quakerism but nothing else verifiable. (The Bockett letter does not appear to have been published and thus would not count as a review.) Dclemens1971 (talk) 18:16, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Again not finding anything about him except for a short blurb of the same book you mentioned on the Quaker archives of Canada. ❤History Theorist❤ 00:48, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
There some book reviews, but they are all polemics for one side or the other. FWIW, I am an Episcopalian. Can we get input from folks who know more about Quaker history? Bearian (talk) 04:02, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Weidner Communications

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This article is confusing. Is it about a marketing company, a machine translation software, or the brothers (who have last names spelled differently)? 🄻🄰 11:13, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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@लॉस एंजिल्स लेखक: I can't identify a deletion rationale in your nomination statement. Could you please provide one, else this nomination should be closed under WP:CSK#1. This appears to be a reasonably sourced article on a company, the machine translation software it produced, and its founders, which appear to be a reasonable set of topics to cover together. ~ A412 ^talk! 16:55, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy keep per WP:CSK#1 (nom has been editing, but has not provided any deletion rationale). ~ A412 ^talk! 18:13, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I wanted to open a discussion on this article because I don't think the company is notable, everything I can find about "Weidner Communications" seems to point back to this article. Note also the varying spelling of Weidner and Wydner.

In the entire article, this is the portion about the company called "Weidner Communications":

"During the mid-1980s Weidner Communications, Inc., (WCC), was the largest translation company by sales volume in the United States. (Margaret M. Perscheid, 1985) Later the Japanese sold Wydner's technology to Intergraph Corporation of Alabama who later sold it to Transparent Language, Inc. of New Hampshire. Bruce Wydner, the principal agent for the Inns of the Temple Inc., that retained the research and development rights to the Weidner Multi-lingual Word Processor, separated himself from his brother in early 1979 and no longer supplied any updated software developments. Weidner had offended his brother over a matter of having Eyring Research Institute send their bi-lingual employee to remove Wydners intellectual property from his home, of which Wydner claims was stolen from him."

Everything else is about the software which mentions "Translation Associates" "Bravis International" "Eyring Research Institute" "Transparent Language, Inc." "Intergraph Corporation of Alabama" as all owning it.

My rationale is that the article as it is currently written does not seem to be primarily about "Weidner Communications" and Weidner Communications itself seems to be a non-notable company that was one of 6+ to have something to do with the software. 🄻🄰 13:58, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per WP:TNT and WP:NCORP. I think the nomination by a relative newcomer here wasn't clearly stated. This is my whispering: It's so confusing a page that it would need to be deleted and started over again from scratch. The subject itself is not clearly notable; much of the content is sourced to (parenthetical primary sources like this). The creator of the page made their last edit almost 7 years ago, and apparently has left, so we can't ask for clarification. Is that correct? Bearian (talk) 07:39, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Eric R. Gilbertson

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This is essentially a resume. The person doesn't appear to pass general notability guidelines. A re-direct to the school is possible, but I question if having a redirect to a small school for every one of their past president is necessary. Graywalls (talk) 14:32, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I am also nominating the following for the same reason:

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Delete: I can only find articles about his retirement and public speaking events after that, nothing really showing notability. Primary sourcing is used in the article now, so that's not helping. Oaktree b (talk) 15:07, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep (of ERG article): It seems to me that the central question is whether C6 of WP:NPROF is met by ERG due to their having served as the president of Saginaw Valley State University and of Johnson State College (now part of Vermont State University). Since the former school offers a significant number of master's degrees and three doctorates (DNP; see https://www.svsu.edu/graduateprograms/), it seems to me that that the answer is yes. I qualify this as a weak keep because this is not an R1 university and does not appear to be historically significant. I do agree that WP:GNG is not met, and if the page is to remain it needs significant editing so as to not present as a resume. I see no way for this particular subject to satisfy the other criteria of WP:NPROF. The other page (about JMR) should be considered on its own merits; I am unsure whether we are supposed to be discussing both of them here. Qflib (talk) 19:36, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Qflib What academic accomplishments and citations does he have? that would qualify under NPROF? My position is that he doesn't qualify under "a significant accredited college or university, director of a highly regarded, notable academic independent research institute or center (which is not a part of a university), president of a notable national or international scholarly society, etc." I believe "significance" or "highly regarded" of this school is subjective and in mine, it's not. Graywalls (talk) 21:02, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Only one of the 6 criteria of NPROF need to be met in order to establish notability; please read it carefully. I specifically pointed out that I was referring only to C6 of NPROF, so academic citations are immaterial. I also specifically pointed out that "I see no way for this particular subject to satisfy the other criteria of WP:NPROF." I stand by my weak keep recommendation; if other senior editors come on here and convince me otherwise, I am open to input. Qflib (talk) 22:19, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep. I buy the WP:NPROF C6 rationale, as president of a mid-sized college/university. I additionally note that I found several local newspaper sources: [86][87][88]. He was involved in a minor scandal regarding a football hazing incident [89][90]. It's weak for a GNG case, but it helps support the NPROF case. Russ Woodroofe (talk) 21:21, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep of both. Even if not technically passing the PROF test, the presidents of medium size state colleges probably will get significant coverage in their state's media. Bearian (talk) 16:06, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Still a !delete for me, not passing PROF, the rest doesn't help. Oaktree b (talk) 20:24, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The Saginaw News has a good deal of coverage on him, e.g. this (p2). BeanieFan11 (talk) 00:49, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- The same for Ryder, e.g. this and this. BeanieFan11 (talk) 00:51, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. I'm not convinced at all of SVSU being a "major" institution; it has only ~1350 papers attached to it across all time periods and fields indexed by Scopus (even Saginaw Cooperative Hospitals, Inc. has 66 papers; compare also to R2 schools American University (~15000 papers) and Yeshiva University (~59000)). So I would not say he is a C6 pass. Newspaper coverage of him might support GNG, however I haven't analyzed those sources yet. JoelleJay (talk) 00:53, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Josh Brar

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Unable to satisfy WP:GNG. Lack of significant coverage. B-Factor (talk) 14:52, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Non-notable singer, going viral isn't the level of notability we need. [91] is an interview. Source 3 in the article is a list of many people, not mostly about this person. I don't see enough for notability at this time. Oaktree b (talk) 23:14, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
going viral is a context, hitting the charts across multiple countries is notability as defined by the notability guidenlines for Wikipedia Music pages. Wikpedia Music Guidelines notability also defines the release by a major record label as the current case is. There are more sources added by other users as well. G4gurpreet (talk) 09:27, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It doesn't guarantee notability, it's a sign the person could be notable. The Spotify charts aren't ones we use for notability and there is no other sourcing for any sort of charting... We can't use any of these. Oaktree b (talk) 21:29, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I found a source from The Times of India, but I'm not sure if it helps. Aona1212 (talk) 13:35, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Traveen Mathew

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Non-notable cricketer, who fails WP:GNG. Has only played in T10 cricket, not any FC, List A or T20 competition which can often help increase significant coverage. This article was moved to draftspace and then moved back despite minimal insufficient improvements, which is why this AFD is necessary. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:45, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep He has played two First Class matches, 12 List A matches and four T20 matches. He also represented Sri Lanka at the Under-19s Asian Cup. I have added more information and sources including two from The Papare which focus heavily on him. Lookslikely (Talk 18:43, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
i have added further information and another reference which features him as the main focus and in the article title. From my reading of the GNG rules this addition, along with the ones I previously made and are mentioned above, mean this article definitely passes the required SIG COV specification. Lookslikely (talk) 02:35, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for the improvements, but I'm still not convinced he is notable, so I wish to continue this AFD to get consensus. Of the sources, [92], [93] are passing mentions in tournament squad lists, [94] is one paragraph of basic stats, [95] is from SLC so not independent coverage (and so does not contribute to WP:GNG, [96] is a match report with a bit of basic information about him. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:20, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Ok. I tried. Lookslikely (talk) 18:45, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: This is an encyclopedia and not a profile page where anybody can get to feature himself without any major achievements. The subject clearly fails GNG, yet the original editor is still trying to defend. Lookslikely, if you're paid to edit, kindly disclose conflict of interest. To the closing admin, this articles fails all criteria. Cameremote (talk) I came from a remote place 01:27, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Cameremote, your comment makes me wonder if you even examined this article. If you looked at the page history, you'd quickly see that that the article creator is Janeesh 22, not Lookslikely. Secondly, do not cast aspersions, like accusing an editor of working for pay while undeclosed, you better have evidence to support those accusations or you could be facing a block yourself. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:49, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Reply to above: I am not the original editor of this page. I just saw it on this list, Googled the guy and added some stuff to his page. I am not paid to edit on Wikipedia and couldn't give two hoots if it's deleted or not. Oh and before accusing people of things, at least have the courage to sign your username (Cameremote) chum. Lookslikely (talk) 01:12, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Out of boredom, I’m willing to save this page out of boredom if it has enough sources. Reader of Information (talk) 01:33, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I will start working on it tomorrow if this is okay with y’all because honestly, it’s getting late lol. Reader of Information (talk) 01:38, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Once again, clearly fails the notability criteria. And thanks for bringing to my attention the signing issue, I'm using mobile, and I assume it auto signs. Thanks for that. I say again, please disclose COI if you're directly or indirectly associated to the subject, because the way you're defending an article that fails GNG is alarming. Cameremote (talk) I came from a remote place

As I said, Cameremote, either provide proof of your allegations or stop making them. There is nothing inherently COI about defending an article from being deleted. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:52, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'm just trying to point out to the editor that the way he's defending the article is somehow. He should purely suggest that the article be moved back to draft, for further improvement rather than over-defending an article. Note: I'm not alleging anyone, and if there's any offense taken, my absolute apolgies. Cameremote (talk) I came from a remote place 01:59, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: The person in the article is clearly notable. Whether it passes WP:GNG or not is not really determinable as there is one source that is independent but I’m unsure if that suffices as it passing GNG. Although, it seems the sources are of Sri Lanka or newspapers mainly focused on cricket, the exception is Daily News.

Furthermore, I think it can he concluded that this crickteer is of presumed notability as he has been documented in multiple sources that range from 4 years ago to the most recent being a month ago.

In conclusion, I could see this article being of notability even if it’s a stub.

If the consensus is overwhelmingly delete, then I’d recommend it go back to the draft so it can be improved rather than delete because the information there is clearly of use and not useless.

Cheers,
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Tabish Khan (art critic)

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Biography of an art critic that fails WP:GNG, WP:NBIO. Sources in article are limited to WP:PRIMARYSOURCE WP:INTERVIEWS, WP:TRIVIALMENTIONS in media coverage of other topics, primary source bios and other non-independent sources. WP:BEFORE search turns up lots of his own writing but no independent WP:SIGCOV to establish notability. Dclemens1971 (talk) 03:15, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - the writer is known within the contemporary art scene in the UK and is currently active suggesting there may be more additions to the page in future. While I agree that searching for the author turns up lots of his own writing, a look at other art critics, writers and journalists with Wikipedia entries returns similar results. In terms of independent coverage, this article does include links to notable outlets that have sought his views on art stories and artworks. Suggestions for improvement rather than deletion may be a better course of action. Londoneditor284 (talk) 21:36, 3 January 2025 (UTC) — Londoneditor284 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
Keep these are good points. It would be a diservice to Wikipedia if well-known critics were expunged Likeabutterfly (talk) 21:45, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - although this person is mostly only known within the contemporary British art scene, they have contributed numerous articles, interviews, and features in multiple outlets and have been quoted in many sources (as can be seen from the citations). They are clearly significant enough within their own field to warrant keeping this article. Any suggestions to improve the article would be welcome. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.45.218.212 (talk) 12:53, 3 January 2025 (UTC) — 80.45.218.212 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
WP:SOCKSTRIKE. Izno (talk) 22:07, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Quotations in sources are not enough to demonstrate notability (except in a limited case for certain academics), and authoring articles isn't either. What SIGCOV in independent, reliable sources can you offer? Dclemens1971 (talk) 13:40, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Let me do some digging and get back to you. The nature of the subject (someone who writes about other people's artwork for a living) makes it difficult by definition to have many SIGCOV sources. I feel this should be taken into account? 80.45.218.212 (talk) 16:41, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
If you feel this way, that's a great discussion topic for WP:VILLAGEPUMP, not for a discussion where we can't change policy. Dclemens1971 (talk) 17:19, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
~~Keep~~ Could Dclemens1971 help in finding any better sources for this person/article? I've looked at pages for other critics too but can't seem to see how they fit the criteria if we are super-strict with SIGCOV Likeabutterfly (talk) 21:46, 3 January 2025 (UTC) (striking duplicate vote. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:30, 10 January 2025 (UTC))[reply]
Please strike your second !vote; editors are only allowed one !vote in an AfD. Dclemens1971 (talk) 21:47, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

By the way, the entire point of the WP:BEFORE search (which I did) was to find qualifying sources, and I didn't find them. Dclemens1971 (talk) 21:49, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
"[A] search turns up lots of his own writing but no independent [sources]" - isn't this exactly what we should expect though? Likeabutterfly (talk) 21:55, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It's what we should expect from a person who's not notable, I suppose. And as already mentioned, please strike through your duplicative !vote. Dclemens1971 (talk) 02:16, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: As per the nomination. Taabii (talk) 10:30, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Looks like more references have been added linking to interviews on BBC Radio London, a 'talking head' spot on a BBC documentary, and a reference from the Royal Academy of Arts. I think this person is notable enough for Wikipedia. I will find more references too. Likeabutterfly (talk) 22:25, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Please remember: interviews are primary sources and mentions are not WP:SIGCOV to meet the applicable guidelines. Dclemens1971 (talk) 22:38, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I've been adding some more references and a good point was raised about WP:SIGCOV so I've looked at other notable UK based art critics - Jonathan Jones, Adrian Searle, Alastair Sooke, Mark Hudson and Waldemar Janusczak are the ones I could find who have Wikipedia entries. In all of the above I found they are all heavily reliant on WP:PRIMARYSOURCE. It's unclear to me how a practising art critic, or more broadly a journalist, can be eligible for a Wikipedia entry without heavily relying on WP:PRIMARYSOURCE? I did try to find whether this has been discussed on forums elsewhere within Wikipedia but I wasn't able to. I appreciate I'm relatively new here so happy to be directed to a relevant discussion if it's already been had. Londoneditor284 (talk) 17:01, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

One relevant discussion is WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS; we don't base arguments at AfD on the existence of other potentially policy-violating pages that haven't been nominated yet. Dclemens1971 (talk) 17:11, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for sharing that helpful discussion and I agree we shouldn't base arguments at AfD on the existence of other potentially policy-violating pages that haven't been nominated yet. However, the critics in my last comment are among the most notable art critics in the UK and if the bar for WP:SIGCOV is set so high that no UK-based art critic would be eligible for a Wikipedia entry then that would appear excessive given the UK has a significant art scene and critics play an important part in it. Londoneditor284 (talk) 09:07, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Really good points @Londoneditor284. Likeabutterfly (talk) 12:43, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. Since several sources have been added, I'll put in a source assessment table below. I am concerned that several of the sources added do not mention Khan at all; there appears to an effort at WP:SYNTH here. Regardless, we still have zero qualifying sources toward GNG. Dclemens1971 (talk) 14:22, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Source assessment table prepared by User:Dclemens1971
Source	Independent?	Reliable?	Significant coverage?	Count source toward GNG?
Official bios: https://www.cityandguildsartschool.ac.uk/about-us/governance/, https://www.discerningeye.org/about, https://www.artcan.org.uk/trustees/, https://upprojects.com/team/	WP:PRIMARYSOURCE			✘ No
WP:TRIVIALMENTIONS on websites of affiliated organizations: https://www.discerningeye.org/exhibition, https://www.royalacademy.org.uk/article/summer-exhibition-2024-prizes	Affiliated organizations		These are passing mentions	✘ No
https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/3898175/brooklyn-beckham-sneak-peek-blurry-photo-book/		Deprecated source; see WP:THESUN	Brief quote; not WP:SIGCOV	✘ No
https://www.politico.com/newsletters/west-wing-playbook/2021/07/27/we-asked-art-critics-about-hunters-paintings-493751, https://www.euronews.com/culture/2022/02/01/first-exhibition-dedicated-to-van-gogh-s-self-portraits-hits-london, https://www.euronews.com/culture/2021/11/18/faberge-s-exquisite-eggs-go-on-display-at-v-a			Brief quotes in coverage of other subjects	✘ No
https://www.businessinsider.com/king-charles-portrait-divides-art-world-critics-love-hate-meaning-2024-5; https://ca.news.yahoo.com/king-charles-first-official-portrait-204653357.html		~ See WP:BI	Brief quote	✘ No
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSzSsIRRjDs	Hosted on Tabish Khan's personal YouTube channel, not Al Jazeera's.		WP:INTERVIEW on other subjects.	✘ No
https://blog.artsted.com/post/industry-voices-tabish-khan-the-peoples-art-critic, https://www.arts.ac.uk/students/stories/tabish-khan, https://cerihand.com/tabish-khan/	WP:PRIMARYSOURCE Q&A interviews			✘ No
https://vimeo.com/150690522, https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000bpjw, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMXmpzdYnNM, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyuWzhtTb2I			Video WP:INTERVIEWs on other subjects; not SIGCOV of Khan	✘ No
https://web.archive.org/web/20240706135554/https://www.britishmuseum.org/exhibitions/i-am-ashurbanipal-king-world-king-assyria, https://www.whitechapelgallery.org/exhibitions/elmgreen-dragset/, https://www.vam.ac.uk/exhibitions/dior-designer-of-dreams, https://designmuseum.org/exhibitions/stanley-kubrick-the-exhibition, https://www.npg.org.uk/whatson/exhibitions/2019/only-human-photographs-by-martin-parr/, https://www.dulwichpicturegallery.org.uk/about/exhibitions-archive/exhibitions-archive-by-date/2019-rembrandts-light/, https://www.jacksonsart.com/artprize/, https://pssauk.org/about/the-marsh-panel/, https://studiowest.art/exhibitions/17-now-introducing-2022-an-exhibition-of-shortlisted-artists-from-the-now/			Sources do not mention Khan at all	✘ No
https://www.davidwightman.net/words/fad_2.html	Interview conducted by Khan			✘ No
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Kioumars Pourhashemi

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Doesn't seem to be that important. All references are in passing or about his death, probably can be mentioned as a section in 2024 Battle of Aleppo Ladsgroup^overleg 17:37, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Keep I made this article because I believe he was an important figure in a very important event that led to the downfall of Syria. History is important. Yesyesmrcool (talk) 17:41, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Can be considered as a soldier killed in action. He is merely a member of the IRGC forces involved in the 2024 Battle of Aleppo, but not a key member. Jeeputer ^Talk 17:27, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep - on one hand, his rank of Second brigadier general (Iran) does not automatically pass WP:MIL, but he was not an ordinary soldier. On the other hand, he did get WP:SIGCOV in the Jerusalem Post and other reliable media. Bearian (talk) 03:22, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep(?) Quoting from this page: "Researchers Hassan Hassan and Michael Weiss argued that Pourhashemi's death -along with a number of other senior officers- greatly contributed to the collapse of the loyalist defenses of Aleppo." Sounds like a credible claim to lasting significance, though it depends on how much is being carried by the "other senior officers". Koopinator (talk) 09:58, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Raja Raghuraj Singh

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Freedom activists are not inherently notable. The subject fails WP:ANYBIO, no indication of WP:SIGCOV or notable contributions to the independence movement. TheBirdsShedTears (talk) 10:00, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - Meets WP:NPOLITICIAN as a member of the United Provinces Legislative Council, a precursor to the modern-day Uttar Pradesh Legislative Council. From this PhD thesis, "Kiriti Vardhan is the scion of Mankapur royal estate, and he is the fifth-generation representative of a powerful family which had direct influence in the district’s politics even before independence. His great-great grandfather Raja Raghuraj Singh and great grandfather Raja Ambikeshwar Pratap Singh won elections for the provincial assembly (of the United Provinces) in 1920s and 1930s." [97] This article from the Pioneer Mail in 1923 seems to confirm that he was a member of the provincial legislature.[98] ⁂CountHacker (talk) 18:44, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I would also point out that if the article is kept, it should be moved to Raghuraj Singh per WP:TITLESINTITLES. Raja seems to be his title as the Raja of Mankapur, not part of his actual name. ⁂CountHacker (talk) 04:02, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - the entire subchapter "Titles, honors, and legacy" is essentially a series of affirmations of notability. --Soman (talk) 01:09, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ram Krishna Bantawa

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Doesn't meet WP:NAUTHOR and WP:SIGCOV as per Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!}. Rahmatula786 (talk) 05:43, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi Rahmatula786,

I hope this message finds you well.

Thank you for raising concerns about the article on Ram Krishna Bantawa. I firmly believe the article meets the requirements outlined in Wikipedia’s WP:NAUTHOR and WP:SIGCOV guidelines. Below is an explanation supporting this assertion:

Notability as an Author (WP:NAUTHOR):

Ram Krishna Bantawa is a recognized author and lyricist in Nepali literature. He is known for his novel Saghan Tuwanlo (Shrill Mist) and novel Amalai Chithi (Letter to Mother-whose English translation is forthcoming.) His work has made a significant cultural impact, particularly within the Nepali community.
His lyrics and songs are available on platforms such as YouTube.
Saghan Tuwanlo is included in the curriculum of Tribhuvan University, highlighting its academic and cultural significance.His novels address meaningful societal issues such as women’s rights, untouchability, and Sati Pratha (the practice of widow immolation), further emphasizing his contributions to literature and social discourse.

Significant Coverage (WP:SIGCOV):

Independent and reliable media outlets, including Kantipur, Annapurna Post, and various Hong Kong-based Nepali newspapers, have provided coverage of Bantawa’s work. This demonstrates his influence in Nepali literature and music.
He has been featured in interviews and podcasts that delve into his life, literary contributions, and societal impact, providing further evidence of significant independent coverage.
Bantawa has received several awards and certificates from reputable organizations, including:Nepalese Literary Academy Hong Kong , Heavenly Path Hong Kong , Charu Sahitya Pratisthan , Hong Kong Nepalese Federation , Lyricist Association of Nepal

The article references independent and verifiable sources that discuss Ram Krishna Bantawa’s work in detail. Taken collectively, these factors satisfy the standards for inclusion in Wikipedia under WP:NAUTHOR and WP:SIGCOV.

If additional information or sources are required to further support this assertion and enhance the article, I would be happy to assist.

Best regards, Rasilshrestha (talk) 09:06, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I feel you know the person very well so you are aware of so many information. When i search on internet , I hardly find anything of significance covered in reputable media outlet about him .

regarding references, plz go through all the references, and let me know if a single source in reputable Nepali media from NPOV meeting WP criteria. If your have such sources plz put it here other than what you have kept in references. Plz note that sources in reference are not of significance. Rahmatula786 (talk) 10:06, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Rahmatula786,

Thank you for your message. I want to clarify that I do not personally know the person. The information I’ve provided is based solely on my research.

I understand your concerns regarding the importance of meeting Wikipedia's notability criteria. Unfortunately, there is limited online information due to the lack of archived articles in Nepali media. However, I have collected pictures of old newspaper articles about the author, including coverage from Nepali Hong Kong newspapers during a book launch press meet.

I believe the article is written from a neutral point of view. While I cannot attach the offline sources here, I’d be happy to share them via email. Additionally, I can provide relevant YouTube(https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Ram+Krishna+Bantawa) links of his Songs, Interviews. Please let me know how you’d like to proceed.

I look forward to your guidance and support, as I am currently gathering resources and information for my next article of Nepali Singer "Kuma Sagar" . Your insights will be invaluable in helping me refine my work. Please let me know how best to proceed.

Best Regards, Rasilshrestha (talk) 07:13, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

According to Wikipedia's guidelines, contributors are discouraged from writing about individuals they personally know to maintain neutrality and avoid conflicts of interest. I can assure you that I have no personal connection with, nor do I know, the author.

In my case, I refrained from including details about the author's awards and certificates, as I was unsure about their accuracy and could not verify them through reliable sources all i had were photographs of certificates and some mentions in newspapers. However, I conducted thorough research and included information about the author's books, song lyrics, and album, as these are well-documented and publicly available.

I can provide you with ISBN of the books they were published through Sajha Publications and ASIA 2000 Ltd. Also you can search in youtube for his songs and interviews. I can additionally provide you with offline sources(Newspaper Articles, Magazines) relating to the author. Rasilshrestha (talk) 15:54, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - there appears to be some sourcing not available easily online (the "surface" of the Internet). I'm going for a dive. Bearian (talk) 03:40, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. I searched under three different names for this author and his book, Shrill Mist. I also reached out to a Nepalese friend. I've come up with zero reliable sources. Bearian (talk) 02:26, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hello,

Thank you for letting me know.I am actively working on gathering reliable links and additional information to support it. I’ll share them in refrence of the article.

The reason your friend might not have found information about the novel could be because it is an older work, first published in 2008. The author is not as widely recognized as prominent Nepali literary figures like Parijat, Laxmi Prasad Devkota, or Bhanubhakta Acharya, whose biographies are included in school curriculum. Additionally, the novel hasn’t been published online, limiting its accessibility to a broader audience. However, I’ve heard that the author’s new book is being published or translated into English, which might bring more attention to their work.

It’s also worth noting that the author has spent a significant amount of time outside Nepal, particularly in Hong Kong. If you search for his name on YouTube, you’ll find his songs, which might provide some additional context.

For now, I can provide the ISBN number of the book or any other available details. I’m actively working on finding more reliable sources and digging through news archives to provide further information Rasilshrestha (talk) 03:04, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hello.

I have posted the photos of news archive i have clicked (Ram Krishna Bantawa News Articles : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive) in archive.org Rasilshrestha (talk) 17:53, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I have added the link to external site as Ram Krishna Bantawa News Archive. Rasilshrestha (talk) 18:02, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment.

Ref 1 : non neutral source ( media with no reputation has review of some book not a notable work , no findings on search on internet )

Ref 2 & 3 - not active link, neither found on google

Ref 4 - not at all a media of even minor entity

Ref 5&6 - he attends book inauguration program ( that’s all . Just his name mentioned)

Ref 7. Controversial piece about some legal issues being taken. Doesn’t support the article in any sense.

Rest sources - all are either repetition of above news or your tube material or some small contributions not covered in any genuine source. Rahmatula786 (talk) 15:02, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I have added Ram Krishna Bantawa News Archive in external Links. They consist of photographs from old newspaper(offline Source). Rasilshrestha (talk) 16:36, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

From what i heard, his book "Aamalai Chitthi" is currently being translated and is expected to be published soon. Once it becomes available, I believe I will be able to provide you with more relevant online sources for further reference. Rasilshrestha (talk) 14:45, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep as there is now clear evidence of significant coverage in multiple reliable sources newspapers as shown in the news archive link mentioned above in the external links section of the article. Passes WP:GNG in my view, Atlantic306 (talk) 20:53, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - COI - looking at the Archies i wonder how so much personal info (like old newspapers copies) and he is planning to make an English version of some book , can be gathered unless editor knows and have approach with the subject. Recent update in the article also describes the same thing. Nothing but a Desperate attempt.Rahmatula786 (talk) 04:15, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hello,

I appreciate your concern, but as I mentioned earlier, I have photographs of offline sources that I have used for my research. Regarding the English translation, it is based on news related to Aamalai Chitthi (https://annapurnapost.com/story/451773/), where the translator Devi Panthi has spoken about it.

I assure you, this is not a desperate attempt, If it were, I would have included additional details of the author. Instead, my article focuses primarily on the subject's songs, novels, and books that he has written. For example, I have read Shrill Mist and am currently reading another work. The song I referenced is also publicly available on YouTube.

Thank you for understanding, and I hope this clarifies any confusion. Rasilshrestha (talk) 05:06, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
How did u get all photographs , newspaper cuts , u kept in archives. What kind of research ur doing on him, can u clarify. Rahmatula786 (talk) 05:23, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I collected photographs from various sources, including a news archive where old newspapers are stacked. Unfortunately, I couldn’t obtain any materials from Gorkhapatra, as they dont allow. Some of the newspapers I used were already in my possession at home, while others were gathered during my visit to a book launch event.

The event was held to celebrate the author’s return from Hong Kong and his book launch. It featured displays of certificates for his awards and documents with official letterheads. However, I chose not to mention these certificates or documents in my article, as I wasn’t entirely certain about their authenticity or relevance Rasilshrestha (talk) 06:35, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Unless you are related with him, how come you find or keen to find those stuff. Have you ever done such efforts to make any other article in Wikipedia. So far i can see , you are here just to make this article. If ur a genuine editor. You might have participated in various other articles, agenda . Did you understand it now. U have altogether 63 edits and almost all for this article only since May 5. That clearly shows what you are looking for . I guess u will come with some other explanations. Rahmatula786 (talk) 10:20, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hello,

Thank you for your concern. I’m currently a student in my final year, and I have a deep interest in Nepali literature, arts, and culture, especially Newar traditions and history, as I am a Newar myself. I also enjoy learning about historical topics and sharing knowledge.

I want to clarify that I am not connected to the author mentioned in the article, nor am I being paid for my contributions. If this were a paid effort, I believe the author would have hired someone more experienced than me. As a newcomer to Wikipedia, I am still learning and this article has been my starting point.

I plan to work on more articles in the future and am currently gathering resources for my next article as i have already mentioned earlier. Regarding the current article, my intent has been to present information in a neutral tone. If I were biased or paid, my contributions would likely reflect that, but I have strived to adhere to Wikipedia's guidelines.

Wikipedia encourages contributors to improve content where they can, and I believe my contributions are consistent with this principle.

While it’s true that I haven’t contributed extensively to other articles yet, everyone starts somewhere. My current focus on this article does not diminish my genuine intention to support Wikipedia’s mission of providing accurate, unbiased information.

If you have specific concerns about my edits, I’d be happy to discuss and address them transparently. I value constructive feedback and aim to contribute positively to the platform. Rasilshrestha (talk) 13:22, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Your explanation doesn’t justify how you gathered all those photos and newspapers pieces put in archives . Anyway i leave it for now. And want to see how other editors put their views. Rahmatula786 (talk) 14:09, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hello,

I respect your concerns and your efforts to make Wikipedia a reliable and comprehensive source of information for everyone. As a newcomer, I would greatly value your feedback on how I can improve my article. Could you please guide me on how to make it more effective? Also, do you think there are any changes I should consider?

Thank you for your time and assistance in advance. I truly appreciate your support and feedback. Rasilshrestha (talk) 04:40, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Naftali Schiff

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Fails WP:GNG. The article reads a lot like a CV. The piece "Rabbi Naftali Schiff: Aish UK's wonderwall" by The Jewish Chronicle might be one source that counts towards notability, but other than that, I haven't been able to find much. Mooonswimmer 15:35, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep. Thanks for the nomination -- I had thought about AfDing this article when originally creating Josef Lewkowicz. Most of the sources currently in the article are poor, and it needs a WP:TNT. But there are multiple, in-depth profiles in the Jewish Chronicle and Jewish News over the years [99], [100], [101], multiple=page coverage in a book [102], with additional coverage of Schiff role in his charities [103], [104], [105], that could suffice for notability. Longhornsg (talk) 16:30, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete as a professional at work. Misses the bar of the GNG. gidonb (talk) 03:36, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per sources provided by Longhornsg. Whizkin (talk) 19:57, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Jim_Leisy

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I believe Jim Leisy fails the WP:GNG criteria. Not enough independent secondary sourcing to prove notability.

The majority of the article is unsourced self-promotion. According to the one reference in the article the artist won a 'Caldera Gold Spot Award' but I can find no explanation of what that is or how notable it might be. He also has a work catalogued by the Smithsonian https://www.si.edu/object/solar-eclipse:nasm_A20170021000 that was gifted by the artist.

Additionally, there appears to be WP:COI from Leisy himself, creating the page in the first place, removing other editors' issue taggs without fixing issues, and multiple edits of the page under User:Jimleisy.

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Delete: Nothing in the Getty ULAN [106], nor much of any mention for a photographer with this name. Nothing in the article shows notability. I don't find any book reviews. Oaktree b (talk) 19:29, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The COI editing doesn't help, but the subject has been deceased for a decade, I don't really think it matters much at this point. Oaktree b (talk) 19:30, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: I have added two references. Leisy meets WP:PHOTOGRAPHER, in particular point 4D: the person´s work has been represented within the permanent collections of several notable galleries or museums. The Smithsonian, the Portland Art Museum, among others.Ruud Buitelaar (talk) 03:06, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Works represented in the Smithsonian, Portland Art Museum, and 'National Air and Space Museum' were all gifted by the artist, apart from one at Portland that I could find that was intentionally purchased with funds provided by the Photography Council (Leisy was on the board of directors - so there's clear WP:COI there): http://www.portlandartmuseum.us/mwebcgi/mweb.exe?request=record;id=70706;type=101 SallyRenee (talk) 09:21, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The works may have been donated by the author but the guideline Wikipedia:Notability (people) does not make a distinction between purchased and donated works, so that is not a relevant argument. By the way, it is not at all easy to donate work to museums. Ruud Buitelaar (talk) 03:28, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - I am leaning towards delete but not iVoting until I look deeper. I understand the nominator's thoughts about self-donated works in collections, however many institutions would still run a donated work through their acquisitions board; however in the case of the Portland Community College Collection, it's doubtful if they have one. The work in the Houston MFA seems to be donated by another person. The LensScratch article is a good source, however more like that are needed to meet NARTIST and GNG. A GoogleBook search found nothing. Netherzone (talk) 21:22, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - After searching more, I think there is enough for him to meet notability standards. Here's what I found online: a comprehensive obituary: [107], article in LensScratch: [108], a comprehensive narrative about his work in the collection of the Smithsonian's Air & Space Museum [109], he's quoted here as an expert: [110]. These items along with the permanent collections (even tho several were donations by the artist), [111], however the work at the Portland Community College Collection was not donated by him [112], and has a decent narrative: [113]. The COI content or unsourced self-promo can be trimmed from the article; I think he meets notability, not in the strongest sense, but I do think he is notable. Netherzone (talk) 15:14, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Charlotte Barker

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This has existed for 18 years without a single source which is actually about the actor, and I can't find any sources that are actually about her, as opposed to her being mentioned in articles about her father. Black Kite (talk) 11:10, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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~~OK to delete (and recommend deletion rather than redirect, as there are other people with the same name who may be more notable).~~ There actually are more negative reviews of the play her father wrote for her, like "Daddy's girl could do without his help" in The Financial Times. But these are arguably not really about her (the FT review says things like "on this terrain it is hard to judge how good an actress she is"), and otherwise she is mentioned in passing in her father's obituaries and articles about her fugitive brother facing child porn charges. Does not meet WP:GNG. Cielquiparle (talk) 21:41, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - no major roles, nor even supporting roles. Very minor roles in one well-reviewed film and a few guest spots on TV. Bearian (talk) 03:19, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment The article says "As an actress she worked mostly in theatre", but gives no details, apart from the play Mum. It's not hard to find reviews of her stage work in digitised newspapers - I will add info and references and then consider whether she meets WP:BIO or WP:BASIC. RebeccaGreen (talk) 06:56, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sometimes it's kinder to delete. But I will bite and expand the article and let everyone else decide. (Perhaps there are 5k pageviews in the last month for a reason.) Cielquiparle (talk) 12:16, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Cielquiparle There is a TikTok "influencer" with the same name. Black Kite (talk) 16:58, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Right. Plus everyone else with the same name, like the Director of Film Restoration at Paramount Pictures. Cielquiparle (talk) 17:21, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Two of us have now added information and sources to this article, which demonstrates that she does meet WP:GNG. There are plenty of reviews of her stage appearances, with significant, positive mentions about her ability and performances. She had major roles in Stepping Out in the West End and Nice Girls in Newcastle, and in several other professional performances of notable plays in Derby, Newcastle, Chester, etc, for which she received very positive reviews (I have not included quotes about all her performances here). There are articles about her (eg here and here) - they do mention her father, but they are about her, not him. No, she did not star in films or TV shows, but WP:NACTOR specifically states "The person has had significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions;" (my emphasis). RebeccaGreen (talk) 11:14, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - It appears there is sufficient sourcing showing in the footnotes to get this subject over the GNG hurdle. Carrite (talk) 23:36, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep per WP:HEY. Bearian (talk) 01:51, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Putra Adhiguna

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I am unable to find any independent coverage of this BLP. The 15 sources cited in the article are author listings, biography listings, interviews, articles written by the subject, alumni listings, coverage from events, seminars, conferences, summits and more interviews. It is unclear what makes the subject notable or what their contributions are which could be used to assess whether any SNG is met. Jeraxmoira🐉 (talk) 14:57, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom. No WP:SIGCOV in the sources. ~Darth Stabro^{Talk • Contribs} 23:39, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dear editor, this below is planned to be add to outline his contribution to the energy transition field. Look forward to your advice whether this will be sufficiently relevant. Thank you.

Putra has made notable contributions to research on Southeast Asia's energy transition. His research expertise spans various aspects of the energy transition, including in outlining the key enablers and challenges for Carbon Capture and Storage (CCS) technology application (1), critical transition minerals sourcing and related industrial developments (2), as well as key factors to drive Indonesia’s energy transition (3)(4).

His perspectives on the energy sector have been regularly featured in major news outlets in the region, covering wide-ranging topics in energy such as gas investments in Southeast Asia (5), Singapore’s clean energy imports (6), and regional green energy cooperation in ASEAN (7).

His research works have also been cited in publications such as the International Energy Agency (IEA) report on Enhancing Indonesia’s Power System (8), RAND Corporation report on China’s Role in the Global Development of Critical Resources (9) and an article in Communications Earth & Environment journal (A part of Nature journal) titled The viability of co-firing biomass waste to mitigate coal plant emissions in Indonesia (10)

He was part of the team of international peer reviewers for the IEA report titled An Energy Sector Roadmap to Net Zero Emissions in Indonesia (11) and his insights and contribution has been acknowledged in International Institute for Sustainable Development publication titled Boom and Bust: The fiscal implications of fossil fuel phase-out in six large emerging economies (12)

(1) https://ieefa.org/resources/carbon-capture-southeast-asian-market-context-sorting-out-myths-and-realities-cost

(2) https://energyshift.institute/work/0-4-of-global-battery-production-capacity-indonesias-battery-and-ev-developments-are-far-out-of-step-with-its-nickel-exploitation-promise/

(3) https://ieefa.org/resources/indonesia-wants-go-greener-pln-stuck-excess-capacity-coal-fired-power-plants

(4) https://ieefa.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/Indonesias-Biomass-Cofiring-Bet_February-2021.pdf

(5) https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se-asia/gas-investments-in-se-asia-undermine-green-energy-climate-push-report

(6) https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/st-explains-s-pore-announced-more-ambitious-clean-import-targets-what-would-this-mean-for-our-energy-transition

(7) https://www.chinadailyhk.com/hk/article/583121

(8) https://iea.blob.core.windows.net/assets/247b5328-2cd7-4fbb-a800-dd1c71f6e562/EnhancingIndonesiasPowerSystem.pdf

(9) https://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/pubs/research_reports/RRA2000/RRA2096-1/RAND_RRA2096-1.pdf

(10) https://www.nature.com/articles/s43247-024-01588-0

(11) https://www.iea.org/reports/an-energy-sector-roadmap-to-net-zero-emissions-in-indonesia

(12) https://www.iisd.org/system/files/2022-07/fossil-fuel-phase-out-briics-economies.pdf

**Viewpoints and research

*Carbon Capture and Storage*

Putra’s view on Carbon Capture and Storage (CCS) technology is that it will not be easily deployed in cost-sensitive regions such as Southeast Asia (13). However, more affluent countries, such as Singapore or Japan, might be interested in exporting their carbon dioxide emissions to countries that can provide storage locations (14). Nevertheless, he advocated that such export activities will require stringent standards with clear long term liability agreements (15) (16).

(13) https://ieefa.org/articles/widespread-adoption-carbon-capture-utilization-and-storage-technologies-south-east-asia

(14) https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/singapore-japan-sign-agreement-to-collaborate-on-carbon-capture-and-storage-tech

(15) https://asia.nikkei.com/Opinion/Japan-cannot-make-CO2-disappear-just-by-exporting-it

(16) https://www.thejakartapost.com/business/2024/05/27/new-rules-set-to-kick-start-japanese-co2-exports-to-ri.html

*Critical Minerals for the Energy Transition*

His research on critical minerals primarily focused on nickel development and the battery and electric vehicle industry (2). He has advocated for more ambitious industrial developments to further enhance the role of producing countries in the battery and electric vehicle value chain (2).

Putra has also raised significant concerns about the low social and environmental standards of nickel development in Indonesia, including its implications for indigenous populations (17) and the potential use of forced labour (18). He has urged the government to conduct transparent assessments and implement improvements in these areas, as he outlined in his interviews with BBC News and Voice of America (17) (18).

(17) https://www.bbc.com/indonesia/articles/c1e5x2k7kp8o

(18) https://www.voaindonesia.com/a/amerika-serikat-masukkan-nikel-indonesia-ke-daftar-pekerja-paksa-/7816453.html

His expertise on critical minerals in Southeast Asia is evident from his interviews featured in prominent international publications such as The New York Times (19), Barron’s (20), NPR (21), The Straits Times (22), Channel News Asia (23) and Bloomberg news (24)

(19) https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/18/business/indonesia-nickel-china-us.html

(20) https://www.barrons.com/news/indonesia-bets-on-se-asia-s-first-battery-plant-to-become-ev-hub-8328fe72

(21) https://www.npr.org/2024/02/13/1231061492/a-leading-candidate-for-president-in-indonesia-wants-the-country-to-increase-coa

(22) https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se-asia/indonesia-set-to-become-ev-battery-battleground

(23) https://www.channelnewsasia.com/watch/indonesias-industrialisation-has-fallen-short-its-regional-peers-analyst-4122381

(24) https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/business/international/2024/10/17/indonesias-fixer-in-chief-bows-out-as-prabowo-takes-the-helm/

*Trump election, China and Southeast Asia’s Energy Transition*

With the recent election of Trump as President of the United States, Putra has shared his views on its impact toward the Southeast Asia’s energy transition in Asia's prominent news outlet, Nikkei Asia. According to him, Trump's withdrawal from international climate agreements will have a notable impact on climate diplomacy in Southeast Asia's energy transition, although its effect on energy investments in the region will likely remain limited. (25)

In separate publications featured in China's major news outlets, Caixin and China Daily, he argued that Trump's rise to power would likely create a larger role for China in Southeast Asia's energy transition (26) (27). Major Southeast Asian countries, such as Indonesia, stand to benefit significantly from increased engagement with China due to its capacity for rapid investment deployment. However, raising the standards of Chinese overseas investments remains essential. (27) Prior, he has also commented on Xinhua News how China’s coal provinces and their rapid industrial development toward clean energy can also provide inspirations for coal reliant economies to transition to greener industries (28)

(25) https://asia.nikkei.com/Opinion/How-Trump-might-shake-up-Southeast-Asia-s-clean-energy-transition

(26) https://www.caixinglobal.com/2024-12-06/commentary-will-a-trump-presidency-give-china-a-bigger-role-in-southeast-asias-energy-transition-102265317.html

(27) https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202412/10/WS67579329a310f1265a1d1fb0.html

(28) https://english.news.cn/20240917/b74ec11d54c244978a5b866ba286716f/c.html

*Indonesia’s energy Transition*

Putra has also been a notable voice in outlining the key enablers and challenges in Indonesia’s energy transition. This includes highlighting the considerations for the use of biomass to generate electricity on Reuters (29) and International Monetary Fund Finance & Development Magazine (30). He has also shared his views on Indonesia’s role in the climate and energy transition in international events held by the University of Maryland (31) in College Park and United States - Indonesia Society in Washington DC (32).

His views on the use of biomass and nuclear energy in Indonesia has been featured in Channel News Asia’s feature documentary titled “Power to the People – Bioenergy” (33) and “Insight - Will Indonesia Go Nuclear” (34).

His work while at IEEFA covering the plan for the use of Liquefied Natural Gas (LNG) for Indonesia’s power generation (35) has been cited by Indonesia’s Corruption Eradication Commission report on its Corruption Vulnerability Assessment (Kajian kerentanan korupsi) (36).

He has also advocated the need to transition to greener energy in the islands of the archipelago, as outlined in an Associated Press article (34). Putra has also emphasized the need to optimize international assistance such as the $20 billion funding by U.S. and its allies (35) and anticipate energy consumption growth and emissions in new sectors such as the data centres (36).

(29) https://www.reuters.com/article/business/energy/feature-betting-on-bamboo-indonesian-villages-struggle-to-source-safe-green-po-idUSL8N2LU4I6/

(30) https://www.imf.org/en/Publications/fandd/issues/2022/12/country-case-indonesia-solar-future-jacques

(31) https://cgs.umd.edu/events/indonesias-climate-future-land-energy-and-governance-open-forum-discussion

(32) https://usindo.org/feature/special-open-forum-discussion-on-indonesias-climate-future-land-energy-and-governance/

(33) https://www.channelnewsasia.com/watch/power-people/bioenergy-4439271

(34) https://www.channelnewsasia.com/watch/insight-2022-2023/will-indonesia-go-nuclear-3029031

(35) https://www.kpk.go.id/id/publikasi-data/kajian/kerentanan-korupsi-program-gasifikasi-pembangkit-listrik-pt-pln

(36) https://apnews.com/article/business-indonesia-g-20-summit-bali-climate-and-environment-a73dcbcb60d9a42904f7d81025b5feac

(37) https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-allies-announce-20-billion-package-to-wean-indonesia-off-coal-11668503675

(38) https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/economics/article/3235499/dark-clouds-ahead-indonesias-emissions-surge-asias-need-data-centres-singapores-offshore-push 222.124.125.10 (talk) 06:52, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep I think they might meet criteria 7 of WP:NPROF. NPROF applies to anyone involved in scholarly research, so I think Adhiguna's roles at policy research think tanks qualify them to be considered under NPROF. Criteria 7 is that the subject must have "had a substantial impact outside academia in their academic capacity", and it notes that being "frequently quoted in conventional media as an academic expert" may qualify. Adhiguna is clearly very widely quoted as an expert on the Indonesian energy transition, including in publications like the NYT, BBC and WSJ. They also seem to have had a significant impact outside of academia by using their scholarly research to inform Indonesian policymaking, including contributing to some influential reports like the IEA one and being a regular columnist on the energy transition for one of Indonesia's largest newspapers. I agree that they definitely don't meet WP:GNG, but I think they make a reasonable case under criteria 7 of WP:NPROF as an influential subject-matter expert. MCE89 (talk) 00:16, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Can you please list their 'substantial impact' and explain how they are 'very widely quoted as an expert' after you have actually read the articles from the NYT, BBC and WSJ? Also, please clarify how you determined that these quotes have meaningful impact? I believe they are merely routine/run of the mill statements. Jeraxmoira🐉 (talk) 04:51, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I did read the articles. I'm not sure what you mean by routine/run of the mill statements - they are pretty clearly being quoted by each of these publications in their capacity as a subject matter expert, which is exactly what is described under 7(a) of WP:NPROF. As I said, I'm not claiming that any of these articles constitute SIGCOV or that the subject meets WP:GNG, but as someone engaged in "scholarly research" all that needs to be established is that they meet one of the seven criteria under NPROF. I think the most applicable criteria is that they have "had a substantial impact outside academia in their academic capacity", which may be satisfied if they are "frequently quoted in conventional media as an academic expert in a particular area" (note "quoted" - I'm aware that they are not a major focus of any of the articles, but they are certainly widely quoted as an expert on the Indonesian energy transition). So the reason I think they meet criteria 7 is that (a) they have been widely quoted in prominent international media outlets, including the WSJ, NYT, BBC, Reuters etc., as an expert in their area of research, satisfying 7(a) of NPROF, and (b) they have clearly influenced Indonesian policymaking in their area of research, as demonstrated by being cited or consulted on various government projects and publications. MCE89 (talk) 05:36, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
So, TLDR: you actually don’t have anything meaningful or substantial to show from the NYT, BBC or WSJ articles? Instead, you’ve decided to explain NPROF#7 to me. Fascinating, but I’m still waiting for evidence of this so called ‘significant impact’.

Let's take the NYT example: Putra Adhiguna says “One way or another, Europe and the U.S. will need Indonesia nickel" and "They should be coming to this country figuring out how they can do it better." This is just a routine interview byte as he was part of Institute for Energy Economics and Financial Analysis.. They almost always comment on everything and that’s why this falls under routine coverage.

The entire article reads like a collection of his viewpoints and arguments - Putra Adhiguna emphasized this, Putra Adhiguna shared his views on that, Putra Adhiguna argued this, Putra Adhiguna commented on that - just a series of views, emphasizes, comments and arguments. Yet, there’s nothing about the work he has done or his achievements, because there aren’t any. Jeraxmoira🐉 (talk) 07:33, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe tone it down a bit? My point was just that all of those articles are very standard examples of what it looks like when an expert in a particular field is quoted in the mainstream press about their area of expertise, which is exactly what 7(a) describes. Yes, it's a routine interview bite, but that's what "quoted in conventional media as an academic expert" is describing. I'm not claiming that any of these sources are SIGCOV of Putra Adhiguna, but that's not what's required - NPROF specifically says that researchers may be "notably influential in the world of ideas without their biographies being the subject of secondary sources". It seems like you're applying the GNG standard and asking for secondary SIGCOV of the work he has done and his achievements, but I don't think NPROF requires that at all. What I'm saying is that the fact that he is a public-facing expert who frequently comments in the international press, writes for major Indonesian newspapers and seems to have some measurable influence on policymaking processes in Indonesia is enough to show that he is "notably influential in the world of ideas" per NPROF, even without the secondary SIGCOV that would be needed to meet GNG.

We're in agreement about the absence of SIGCOV though and I don't think this is particularly productive, so let's maybe leave it there? MCE89 (talk) 08:53, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Without concrete examples of specific policies shaped by his work or recognition within academic or policy circles, it’s hard to see how his routine media mentions meet the bar set by NPROF. It seems more like he was quoted in conventional media as a person working for the Institute for Energy Economics and Financial Analysis rather than as an academic expert. Jeraxmoira🐉 (talk) 09:31, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I can't evaluate the wall of text and citation dump, but I can see very clearly that the subject badly fails WP:PROF: he lacks any engineering, teaching, education, or scientific degree – as well as an earned doctorate of any kind. He has never published or even written any peer-reviewed articles. He is a basically a talking head. For that, he should be evaluated using WP:SIGCOV. Bearian (talk) 00:39, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Many resources are not related to the subject of this biography article. Even more do not discuss this subject. More citations/resources needed that discuss this subject significantly. I'm agree with the nominator talk about this article. Ariandi Lie ^{Let's talk} 04:16, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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weak keep: In addition to the quotes above, appears to be a semi-regular columnist in the Jakarta Post on energy issues. I think we can have a !weak keep for the PROF as explained aobve. Oaktree b (talk) 03:01, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Sorry, here [114] and [115]. Oaktree b (talk) 03:02, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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[wild_526_1-1] "And here's a little comment, um, just from ... well yeah, Tim Peters himself put the code together in the end, and decided after ... He got very interested in playing with this, and experimenting with different options, and at the end, ah, settled for this one." At this point Wild's slides show, in one corner, a picture of an email from Peters announcing his acceptance of the Powersort modificiations

[wild_526_2-2] "Now, so far it sounds a little similar to bottom-up Mergesort, but remember in bottom-up Mergesort we use the queue, and we always paired up things as they arrived in the same order, and always pairs all the way back. And this really didn't work so well, which is something that Tim Peters realised, so instead he uses a different way. So he puts the runs on the stack, so the topmost is the most recent that you just discovered. And then there's the set of rules that tells you want to do. And I think these rules are still somewhat magic, that they work, at all. We'll see that they don't always work that great, indeed. But that's something that was just discovered a few years ago. And yeah, in Tim Peters' own words, these rules were the first thing he discovered that didn't obviously suck, so he stuck with them, but they're indeed not the most thoughtful part of Timsort."

[wild_pycon_merging-3] "Why exactly these rules? Well! Tim even publicly confessed, so I'm just citing the bugtracker here, that he didn't spend so much time working on, working on those: it was the first thing that kind of worked, and he decided to stick with it, until ... unless there was a good reason not to, and at the time there was no good reason not to. Unfortunately there is a good reason not to."

[wild_pycon_timname-4] "Just as an aside, 'Timsort' was—the name started as an inside joke among the core developers, and wasn't really Tim's choice. But yeah, it's got ... it stuck, and once the algorithm was exported to other libraries, it became known by that, so, ah ... be careful with choosing your names. I tried to give a name before I published the algorithm, so that this is off the plate."

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