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Eiskrahablo

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08 February 2021

Suspected sockpuppets

The sock account was created on the same day when the sockmaster was blocked for 31hrs for edit warring.

The first edit[1] of the sockpuppet was in Bujang Valley, which was edited by the master shortly before the block.[2]

Other examples for an overlapping edit range include:

Most sock edits are not directly abusive, except for a very agressive edit war in Pantun, where the sockpuppet displayed the aggressive behavior as the sockmaster in Malays (ethnic group) which lead to their block. The agressive behavior is especially blatant in Talk:Pantun#Pantun, where the sockpuppet makes personal attacks (complete with frivolous template copypastes) against a long-time editor in good standing.

Minor behavioral evidence include the shared erroneous use of "disambiguated" in edit summaries:

when they actually just add wikilinks. Austronesier (talk) 11:32, 8 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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31 March 2021

Suspected sockpuppets

Account was created 4 days after block of master account (for edit warring).

Same pushing for an Indonesia-centric POV in Malay-related topics as master. E.g. both push back the emergence of Classical Malay by 800 yrs to the Srivijayan era:

Technical note: the master account had a name change shortly before the block. The original name was Xxxhrxxx, which already had an SPI in Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Xxxhrxxx.

– Austronesier (talk) 06:38, 31 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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06 February 2022

Suspected sockpuppets

Eiskrahablo (formerly ‎Xxxhrxxx) was blocked for disruptive editing in March 2021, with the latest unblock request being November 2021. Mbis Saravon is a new account created in January 2022. Both edit towards a very nationalistic Indonesian POV with tendencies towards edit warring, which is unfortunate given what otherwise seems a great interest in expanding articles on Indonesian people (E created Kangeanese people, M basically rewrote Palembang people from scratch). They also share interest in languages and in adding intangible cultural heritage infoboxes (E, M). Both also:

  • have a propensity to add Indonesian regions to the country field and groups of people as the inventor field (E adding Bali and Balinese, M adding Rupat island and Riau Malay).
  • remove mention of Malaysia and the Malay language (E M)
  • refer to reversions as vandalism (E, M)
  • tend to engage in talkpage blanking (E, M)
  • use the same 'my edit warring was contributions and not edit warring' argument (E, M)

CMD (talk) 01:09, 6 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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@Girth Summit: The confirmed sock account has not been indeffed(?). –Austronesier (talk) 17:53, 6 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Oops, my bad - must have screwed up the script's settings. Doesn't matter now, they've been globally locked - that stops anyone from even logging into the account. Girth Summit (blether) 18:13, 6 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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14 February 2022

Suspected sockpuppets

USSF144 is a new account (11 Feb) created after the previous block on 6 Feb. Same interests, including a direct restoration of the previous sock text.

I've added Indigenouswikicom on this report, who is already blocked, as I found them while looking into this new user and while it feels like this user there is no record. Pinging Bsadowski1 for potential insight. CMD (talk) 11:39, 14 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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 Unlikely/Red X Unrelated:
CHIPS3XPATSPAWN (talk ·  · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
All confirmed socks will be blocked and tagged. Closing SPI report... ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 14:37, 14 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

13 April 2022

Suspected sockpuppets

New account restoring the edits of the last sock (eg. [11],[12]). CMD (talk) 04:44, 13 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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  •  Confirmed to the archive, plus:
-- Amanda (she/her) 15:37, 13 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

02 July 2022

Suspected sockpuppets

Their first edit was a revert of the redirection of Musi language (a rather obscure topic). The original content of the article was created by Eiskrahablo's confirmed sockpuppet Indigenouswikicom (talk · contribs) and this was reverted to a redirect since it was considered block evasion. It is also clear that, like the other Eiskrahablo sockpuppets, their native language is not English. (Their grammar isn't horrendous but it is noticeably subpar.) Pichpich (talk) 02:39, 2 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Comment The recently recreated "Musi language" article betrays some typical trademarks of @Eiskrahablo/Indigenouswikicom, e.g. the POV of claiming Javanese origin for lots of things where scholarly consensus says otherwise. In the infobox of "Musi language", Musi is classified as "Javanesic" (which is bonkers, since all varieties of Palembang/Musi are Malayic with strong lexical influence from Javanese); in Wiktionary, @Indigenouswikicom went on a spree to change dozens of etymologies of Indonesian words, erroneously tracing them back to (Old) Javanese. –Austronesier (talk) 11:28, 3 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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20 August 2022

Suspected sockpuppets

In an edit dispute surrounding doctored quotes and some deep misconceptions about historical linguistics, I have noticed an argument that sounded very familiar from one I encountered in a conversation in another WM Project with a sockpuppet of this sockmaster. Note especially the POV about "Proto-" forms being less worthy as etymologies than old attested words.

Both are convinced that the earliest attestation of a word must the source of all cognates in related languages. This, together with the edit range and the POV that they display (Java as the source of all civilization in Indonesia) is not a coincidence. Austronesier (talk) 16:22, 20 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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@Girth Summit: Sgphawker farm appears to be the same, similar obsession with Javanese ([16][17][18]), and this account shows the traditional focus on ethnic groups and languages (previous eg.). CMD (talk) 13:22, 21 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Girth Summit: I'm a bit late, but FWIW yes, I can spot with @Sgphawker the same ethnochauvinist POV paired with obtuse disdain of established scholarship (and ultimately, plain incompetence). Now that you mention, I remember the discussion in Talk:Indonesian_language#Recent_changes, which makes it pretty clear to me now that I was talking to the same person, then and yesterday. –Austronesier (talk) 16:59, 21 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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21 August 2022

Suspected sockpuppets

Sorry that I have to spam another two of them.

@Menangkabaw has created an article Indonesian Archipelago that clearly bears the handwriting of the sockmaster, especially the undue prominence given to the regional language Javanese. The silly "etymology" section The root of ‘Indo’ itself are derived from Latin term ‘Indigena’ which means "indigenous" is another giveaway.

@Oregions's first edit was to promote the above-mentioned page[19]. And here's another "etymology" that is even more ridiculous[20]: In French, the Sunda Islands known as Isles de la Sonde, which can be translated as "islands [for] exploration". (Juste pour Rire if it weren't so utterly sad.)

Austronesier (talk) 20:41, 21 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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23 August 2022

Suspected sockpuppets

Another duck has flown into the honeypot[21], restoring exactly the same stuff as previous socks.

The account was created in April, so the sockmaster seems to have a considerable sleeper farm. – Austronesier (talk) 18:25, 23 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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29 August 2022

Suspected sockpuppets

Pro-forma per note on my talk page. -- RoySmith (talk) 01:16, 29 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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10 September 2022

Suspected sockpuppets

Blocked months ago from en.wikt for overwhelming behavioral evidence, see e.g. https://en.wiktionary.org/w/index.php?title=songket&action=history, https://en.wiktionary.org/w/index.php?title=goreng&action=history etc. Fytcha (talk) 13:39, 10 September 2022 (UTC) Fytcha (talk) 13:39, 10 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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This case is being reviewed by MarioGom as part of the clerk training process. Please allow him to process the entire case without interference, and pose any questions or concerns either on his talk page or on this page if more appropriate.

19 September 2022

Suspected sockpuppets

This IP displays the same battleground mentality over Malaysian-Indonesian ethnicity-related topics, specifically:

1. Edit-warring in Malay Indonesians, insisting that their version is the only correct one: Special:Diff/1111084789

2. Pointy and disparaging off-topic edits that just boil down to "Malaysia-bashing": Special:Diff/1111098680

Another giveaway is the malapropistic use of "hemisphere" when referring to parts of an island (shared with a sockpuppet of @Sgphawker who has been merged to @Eiskrahablo):

  • @IP: Special:Diff/1111045048
  • @Leachcaped: Special:Diff/1091749944

– Austronesier (talk) 12:44, 19 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Dreamy Jazz talk to me | my contributions 20:28, 19 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • All the accounts are blocked. As for the IP address, examination of editing history makes it clear that for a long time the substantial majority of editing from the IP range 111.94.136.0/24 has been from this sockpuppeteer, and even among the minority of edits which may not be the same person most edits have been unconstructive, so I have blocked the range for two months. JBW (talk) 20:21, 20 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Tagged, locks requested, archiving. Spicy (talk) 05:38, 23 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

29 October 2022

Suspected sockpuppets

The new sock has created pages like Javanic languages or Suroboyoan which promotes their usual OR (which is completely at odds with mainstream linguistics) that Javanese is somehow ancestral to the languages of Indonesia.

Also telling is their disdain for anything termed "Malay" (e.g. in the last para here[22] or here[23]).

Not super obvious, but yet I can hear the sockmaster quacking like a WP:DUCK. @Chipmunkdavis: Maybe you can spot some other obvious behavioral similarities? Austronesier (talk) 21:39, 29 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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27 November 2022

Suspected sockpuppets

Eiskrahablo is back quacking loudly. This newly created sock account has changed the opening lede sentence of Bugis in exactly the same way the sock Leachcaped (talk · contribs) once changed the opening lede sentence on Javanese people:

using exactly the same phrase "indigenous ethnic group native to".

Another (less specific) giveaway is the removal of references to Malaysia and Singapore in the See also-section. Austronesier (talk) 21:34, 27 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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11 March 2023

Suspected sockpuppets

Quacking, but still gently, so here's the evidence:

1. @Bataosk did a cut-and-paste move of Batak Simalungun language to Simalungun language with some modifications to the lede and infobox:[26][27]. The sockmaster has a long history of reckless cut-a-paste moves especially in Indonesian Wikipedia, but concrete evidence for socking comes from this edit[28] by Bgatata (talk · contribs) who apparently tried to perform a cut-and-paste move but was blocked in record speed by Materialscientist. For easy comparison:

2. @Bataosk changes lede and infobox of language articles to a typical template which has been used by previous socks:

@Bataosk:[31] @Oars Tan:[32]

The template goes: "X is a Y language" (with Y being a low-order subgroup, never the actualy language family), "spoken by the Z people", then catgorizing the ethnic group, plus geographic details. And all in one convoluted sentence (see the example from @Bataosk).

3. @Bataosk is still new, but immediately also edits Wikidata[33] only a few hours after account creation. Unusual for a novice editor, but not for a sock with previous Wikidata experience, e.g. @Bgatata[34]

– Austronesier (talk) 12:08, 11 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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21 March 2023

Suspected sockpuppets

Eiskrahablo is back, this time disfiguring Ethnic groups in Indonesia in their inimitable fashion.

The suspected sockpuppet has completely rewritten the article, originally with hardly citing any sources. I've reverted, the sock reverts back and the first source they add is an Old Javanese dictionary (by Zoetmulder) to prove that the Indonesian peranakan is derived from Old Javanese.[35], which is odd given the nature of the content and also patent nonsense (peranakan is per- + anak + -an, and the prefix per- is Indonesian/Malay; the corresponding Javanese prefix is p(e)-).

Now, there might be more than just one misguided soul that believes that Old Javanese is the source of all words found in the Indonesian archipelago (comparable in incompetence to the medieval belief that Hebrew is the source of all languages), but I only know one WP editor who believes this:

@Blueberryl (confirmed sock):[36] (the same Old Javanese dictionary is used as a "source")

Not immediately obvious, but for a linguist working in this area like me, this is megaphone quacking. Austronesier (talk) 19:58, 21 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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26 March 2023

Suspected sockpuppets

More quacking. @Nohaluu is obvious: restoring the version of the previously blocked sockpuppet No Delusionalizm:

@Prajabix adds native heritage scripts to lede/infobox of Indonesian province articles against consensus, and also replaces the national language Indonesian with regional languages, something that @Eiskrahablo and socks regularly have done, e.g. the confirmed sock Leachcaped

Please also check for sleepers. Austronesier (talk) 10:56, 26 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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  •  Confirmed
-- Amanda (she/her) 20:31, 26 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

13 November 2023

Suspected sockpuppets

@Eiskrahablo is back, quacking in Bengkulu languages, with all their trademark edit habits in one diff[39]

  • Erasing all references to "Malay" and "Malayic"
  • Making up language subgroups (here: Western Sumatran and Sumatran). "Sumatran" does exist as a subgroup, but does comprise any Malayic languages (incl. Bengkulu).
  • Calling a Muslim majority population that has full share in local power "indigenous"
  • Claiming "co-official" status for the language just because it is listed among the existing regional languages of the province.

The new sockpuppet is very busy creating new redirects, changing targets for existing ones in accordance with their made-up POV/OR-classification. They are also active in Wikidata, which is unusual for a newbie account, but not unseen with socks of @Eiskrahablo. Austronesier (talk) 18:12, 13 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Adding @Mdurök. Again, all the trademarks here[40] in Kangean language (which was edited before by the sockmaster and the sock @Islanderia): removal of scholarly mainstream classifications "Malayo-Polynesian" and "Malayo-Sumbawan" (apparently because they contain "Malayo-"), made-up classifications like "Maduro-Kangeanic" as part of "Eastern Javanic", calling speakers of Kangean "indigenous", and nonsensically claming "de-facto official" status for Kangean. –Austronesier (talk) 08:19, 14 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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 ConfirmedRedirect arrow Global lock(s) requested Blocked and tagged. Closing. Izno (talk) 04:43, 17 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

And a few more:

Izno (talk) 04:53, 17 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

20 November 2023

Suspected sockpuppets

Another loudly quacking sock has popped up. As usual, he removes mentions of the word "Malay"[41][42], and restores text added before by prevous socks, as in Bawean people:

Note especially the nonsensical etymology of the English term "boyan" as a pejorative, which is complete unsourced hogwash. (FWIW, "Boyan" is just a imperfect rendering of "Bawean" by English merchants/sailors). Austronesier (talk) 19:28, 20 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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1 December 2023

Suspected sockpuppets

Confirmed to be sockpuppet accounts of Eiskrahablo as of Uji Bebek (Duck test?) in idwiki and has been blocked indefinitely in idwiki and simplewiki. The contribution mostly similar to previous socks: copy-paste move, and declaring Malayo-polinesian classification of languages as "disproven". Nyilvoskt (talk) 02:32, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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21 December 2023

Suspected sockpuppets

Another sock, this time targeting Banjarese language in the usual pattern: removal of "Malayic" from the classification in the infobox, inventing subgroups such "Dayak languages" instead. Adding self-made unsourced dialect names. The article was targeted by another sock last year (User:Leachcaped).

Please check for sleepers. Austronesier (talk) 20:02, 21 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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05 February 2024

Suspected sockpuppets

The latest new account to pop up and rework Palembang people, like others before. CMD (talk) 21:04, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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 Sounds like a duck quacking into a megaphone to me Cf. this edit[45] with its removal of "Malayic" and the addition of the invented "Javo-Sumatran languages". –Austronesier (talk) 21:39, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  •  Confirmed to each other and the archive:
Spicy (talk) 23:02, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

17 February 2024

Suspected sockpuppets

Obvious WP:DUCK. The only page edited by this sock is Kangeanese people. This article has seen no substantial edits from anyone but socks of Eiskrahablo:[46].

Another giveaway is the abuse of a respectable source (Zoetmulder's Old Javanese dictionary) to support bogus etymologies:

– Austronesier (talk) 11:27, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • It's them, also these:
Spicy (talk) 19:18, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

02 March 2024

Suspected sockpuppets

PRemoval of "Malay"-related term and addition of not-so well known terms, pushing their POV on Indonesia-supremacy. Diff. 1, Diff. 2, Diff. 3, etc. /ɲə/-lvoskt (bicara) 19:07, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  •  Possible leaning  Unlikely. This account isn't using proxies, whereas most of the recent accounts have been. They geolocate to the same area as Eiskrahablo based on historical data, but it is a highly populated area. Different device. Use behaviour. Spicy (talk) 12:51, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Blocked without tags Behavioral evidence is inconclusive as to whether these are the same person, but I've indeffed as a Vandalism-only account since that much is pretty certain. The WordsmithTalk to me 00:47, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

03 April 2024

Suspected sockpuppets

This suspected editor has so far only edited one article, Kangeanese people. This article was created by the sockmaster, and further curated by sock accounts (eight of the top ten contributors to this article are Eiskrahablo-socks[49])

With their first edits, Klaineg restored[50][51] all sock content that I had previously banreverted[52][53].

Otherwise, the account is unusually low-profile (no activity in other Wikimedia Projects, including Wikidata which is a favorite spot of the sockmaster). I suspect there's a whole bunch of sleepers or accounts only used in other Wikimedia Projects. Austronesier (talk) 15:48, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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May 2024

Suspected sockpuppets

Behaviourally the slagging at the talk page, is something that has occurred in interactions with previous socks.

The editing of Dalang_(puppeteer), and Javanism appears to be engaging in similar editing patterns explained by @User:Austronesier observations in previous sock behaviours, exhibits some inventive etymology which utilises what is quite interesting in its deviousness, and potentially tricky to observe for non javanese interested editors. It can be quite problematic to deal with 'inventive etymology' where apparently obvious good sources are mis-used. It can be perplexing for editors not familiar with the behaviour - valid sources are utilised, and yet the inferences made from some genuine reliable source are problematic.

Tell tale errors of grammar and 'sense' text in editing, and in talk page editing, make some contributions glaringly obvious as a sign of problems with english.

It must be noted that the 'almost there' sense, but not there, might not be that obvious on a very quick read. JarrahTree 14:26, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • User:Austronesier, geolocation makes it certainly possible (note: geolocation is a poor tool unless there's a significant number of IPs used and they all match between suspect and sock), and I'm inclined to accept the identification, but if you could place a few diffs side by side that are characteristic one way or another, that would be great. Drmies (talk) 16:30, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Quelle: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Eiskrahablo/Archive