Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 28
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on September 28, 2024.
2TK
- The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
- The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 00:13, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
- 2TK → Keir Starmer (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: //delete ]
Presumably refers to "two-tier Keir", but ambiguous – seems to be a musician, among other things. Delete as it is unlikely this is what users are looking for. Cremastra (talk) 22:25, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. The only thing we have for 2TK is the ASh-2TK, an aircraft engine with a section at Shvetsov ASh-82#Varients but brief searches suggest this isn't known as just "2TK". Thryduulf (talk) 22:34, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: If there are other things that also relate to 2TK, then it should be turned into a disambiguation page per WP:POFR abbreviation and initialism. Otherwise Keep as WP:CHEAP initialism. EP111 (talk) 01:18, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete it's not Mr. Starmer's initialism, it's an initialism not mentioned in the target article for an internet meme. Not everything derivative of everything Elon Musk says is notable enough for a redirect. Walsh90210 (talk) 02:42, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
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Biden's predecessor
- The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
- The result of the discussion was no consensus. Editors were split between whether this phrase could refer to a predecessor in any office or whether the prominent presidential role would make the target unambiguous, and did not really settle on either one. (non-admin closure) —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 03:01, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
- Biden's predecessor → Donald Trump (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: //delete ]
Unlikely, but also ambiguous: Biden was also a senator and a vice president. Cremastra (talk) 22:21, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to a new anchor for the Offices and distinctions succession boxes at the bottom of Joe Biden, which list his predecessors for every office anybody using this search term could be interested in. Thryduulf (talk) 22:29, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: Biden has been using "my predecessor" with some frequency in speeches to refer to Trump, which demolishes both the likelihood AND the ambiguity argument. pbp 22:59, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete since this could also refer to Dick Cheney. Oppose redirecting to Joe Biden or any section in that article since there's no dedicated section to predecessors, which makes it potentially difficult for readers to find what they are looking for immediately and could cause confusion. Steel1943 (talk) 23:50, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- Except there is a dedicated section for predecessors it's just not got an anchor at present, which is why I recommend creating one. Thryduulf (talk) 11:01, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Utterly useless, and the suggestion that it has become some sort of pejorative is absurd. Zaathras (talk) 23:59, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete As stated by multiple people, this could be referring to Biden's term as a senator, a vice president, or a president. A retarget to a disambiguation may be fine, though it may also be redundant since all of his predecessors (Boggs, Cheney, and Trump) are listed already in his infobox. Unnamed anon (talk) 04:26, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
- To those who saying it could refer to Boggs and Cheney, can you point to any time ever he referred to Cheney and Boggs that way? I can point to him repeatedly referring to Trump that way pbp 17:02, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as vague per above --Lenticel (talk) 06:33, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
- To those calling this vague, what do you think it could refer to that isn't included in the Offices and distinctions succession boxes? If there isn't anything, what is your objection to targetting that? Thryduulf (talk) 21:38, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep (second choice retarget to #Offices and distinctions). I don't think that anyone searching up "Biden's predecessor" will be at all surprised to find themselves at Donald Trump. Doing so wanting Cheney, Boggs, or anyone else invites a headslap. On the contrary, a less in-the-know reader desiring Trump is much more plausible. J947 ‡ edits 03:59, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Biden has used this term for Trump several times, and Trump is the clear primary topic over Cheney and Boggs. QuicoleJR (talk) 20:24, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Term in use, someone may want to know who Biden is referring to in his speeches. I do not buy the argument that this is ambiguous. It really isn't. Fieari (talk) 06:09, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Technically it's ambiguous, but the vast majority of people would think Trump rather than Cheney or Boggs. So Trump is the clear primary topic here. Beefaloe (formerly SpursySituation) (talk) 11:01, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
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Meme in human form
- The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
- The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 00:13, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
- Meme in human form → DJ Khaled (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: //delete ]
Delete. Khaled's Wikipedia article quotes a The Verge article that describes him as "a meme in human form", but other than that, I can find no evidence that the descriptor is ever used as an alternative name for him. –CopperyMarrow15 (talk – edits) 18:55, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Implausible search term. voorts (talk/contributions) 20:27, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete non notable nickname. --Lenticel (talk) 01:13, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
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Operation Dryfront
- The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
- The result of the discussion was keep. ✗plicit 00:14, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
- Operation Dryfront → Operation Wetback (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: //delete ]
Not mentioned at target, no Google hits. This seems to be the literal opposite of "wetback", which I doubt makes this a helpful redirect, so I propose it be deleted. Complex/Rational 14:50, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- I originally made it due to it being used to talk about the operation in the political space on twitch, primarily by hasanabi, as the term is considered a slur. If that's not enough for a redirect, fair enough. Emma0mb talk 18:16, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- Weak keep. While I'm only seeing one google hit for "operation dryfront" (but it wouldn't find uses in Twitch videos) and a couple more for "operation dry front", "dryfront" and "dry front" alone do get multiple uses in this context as ways to avoid using a slur. Indeed at least one use is to bypass a forum filter that prevented linking to an encyclopaedia article about the operation. While the redirect wasn't used between creation on 14 August and nomination, that's not a long enough time to reliably demonstrate how useful or otherwise the redirect is, especially when the target typically only gets a few hundred hits a day. Thryduulf (talk) 19:28, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 10:23, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Notified of this discussion at the target.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 💬 18:19, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - The term does seem to be used in the wild as a way to avoid censorship and automatic filters, and it could easily confuse someone who wants to know what is being talked about. This redirect will be useful and helpful to such a person. Even without a mention, and I do not think one is merited, this redirect is informative and useful. Fieari (talk) 06:11, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
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Weekend Trip
- The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
- The result of the discussion was delete. With no mention at the target and no indication that one could easily be added, delete has the upper hand in terms of arguments. signed, Rosguill talk 16:45, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
- Weekend Trip → List of TV5 (Philippine TV network) original programming (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: //delete ]
- Weekend trip → Tourism (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: //delete ]
Not mentioned in target. Ambiguous title. ToadetteEdit (talk) 12:05, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment I've added Weekend trip to this discussion, which points to a completely different article that also doesn't mention the phrase, although it is clearly related. In terms of articles that do mention the phrase, almost all are NOTTRAVELGUIDE violations or passing mentions in plot summaries. Thryduulf (talk) 15:46, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment I'd call this a weekend away which doesn't exist, but Weekend Away does (and targets an article on a film). Depending on if a viable target for the others can be found this too may need thought about. If no target for the first two can be found then I suppose they will be deleted and nothing changes for Weekend Away. 78.149.135.163 (talk) 19:55, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep both With capitals, this is the name of the weekend primetime programming block for TV5 (see playlist on the channel's Youtube). Without capitals, it's a common form of tourism or leisure activity. SFB 20:41, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- But the programming block of "Weekend Trip" on TV5 is failed under WP:SIGCOV. Icarus58 (talk) 00:26, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep both, but add a mention to both targets to make them useful. · · · Peter Southwood (talk): 08:27, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete both. There isn't any information on "weekend trips" here on EnWiki. Better if we let search results handle this. CycloneYoris talk! 04:20, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Still no mention at either target.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Utopes (talk / cont) 04:09, 20 September 2024 (UTC)- delete. depends on way too many differing definitions of "trip", and there's no fitting target for any of them cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 17:25, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Notified of this discussion at the targets.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 💬 15:39, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Both per WP:DIFFCAPS. Fieari (talk) 06:52, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- eh? but one is unmentioned in the target and seems to fail sigcov (and very, very likely fails ptopic), and the other has no stronger affiliation with tourism than it does with vacations or going to the middle of nowhere to visit some distant relative you need to pretend you know and love cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 14:30, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete both per CycloneYoris, Thryduulf and Cogsan have mentioned above. Those redirects seems to be untarget and different caps are also ambiguous. They're also fails per WP:NOTTRAVELGUIDE and the programming block (as redirect) from TV5's "Weekend Trip" is included for deletion under WP:SIGCOV. Icarus58 (talk) 15:16, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- I have no expressed opinions on the merits of these redirects (just presented some facts), so per me is meaningless. Thryduulf (talk) 16:22, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Maybe so. Icarus58 (talk) 21:29, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- I have no expressed opinions on the merits of these redirects (just presented some facts), so per me is meaningless. Thryduulf (talk) 16:22, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
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Masami Kawamura
- The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
- The result of the discussion was keep. Jay 💬 08:39, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
- Masami Kawamura → 2021 Rugby World Cup squads#Japan (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: //delete ]
Unnecessary redirect to a list of players. SimplyLouis27 (talk) 14:06, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: Not voting right now, but the page in question was once an article. This article was the subject of a deletion discussion in 2023 where the result was to target to the present target to preserve the edit history on account of being WP:TOOSOON for Kawamura to merit an article on her own notability. Regards, SONIC678 22:21, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep to preserve edit history and WP:ATD. As the redirect does seem to have had an article, it may be useful to keep the page around for the future. As of now, I dont' believe it would be harmful to leave it around as a redirect. MetropolitanIC (💬|📝) 03:36, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep as an {{R with history}}; there's a reason the AfD did not close as delete. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 03:04, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
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Interstate 976
- The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
- The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 12:54, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
- Interstate 976 → Premium-rate telephone number (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: //delete ]
Interstate 976 sounds like the name of a (non-existent) US interstate highway, but this redirect actually refers to premium telephone numbers. The target article suggests that 976 is only used for phone numbers in the Czech Republic, which doesn't even have "states" so the title makes no sense. Furthermore, when does anyone ever use "Interstate XYZ" to refer to phone numbers, anyway? Beefaloe (formerly SpursySituation) (talk) 12:27, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment a previous redirect from this title to Interstate Highway System was deleted at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2012 April 14#Interstate 976. The two redirects were apparently created entirely independently. Thryduulf (talk) 13:37, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. International premium rate service has in the second sentence
It is analogous to "900" or "976" numbers in North America
and other google results back up that 976 should be in the main article about premium rate numbers for North America (and also Mongolia). I can't find any connection between this and interstates though. As for an Interstate numbered 976, a fictional one appears in the simulation game Ultimate Driving but given we have no article about the game itself (I have no opinion whether we should) it goes without saying that we don't have relevant content about this element of it. An real-world interstate highway of this number does not appear to have ever been proposed. Thryduulf (talk) 13:37, 28 September 2024 (UTC) - Delete - We have no information on the subject of this redirect. It's unclear if the subject exists, anywhere, or even will exist, anywhere. Fieari (talk) 06:28, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- It's clear that this exists as a fictional element within a game. We don't have any information about it in that context (or indeed in any other context) but it does exist. Thryduulf (talk) 09:18, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Ah, in that case we should still delete it, as we don't have any information on it. If we someday gain information on it, it can be recreated at that time. Fieari (talk) 02:33, 4 October 2024 (UTC)
- It's clear that this exists as a fictional element within a game. We don't have any information about it in that context (or indeed in any other context) but it does exist. Thryduulf (talk) 09:18, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
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Sidney (city)
- The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
- The result of the discussion was retarget to Sidney#Places. ✗plicit 12:54, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
- Sidney (city) → Sydney (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: //delete ]
I actually created this redirect several years ago, but given there are actually places named "Sidney" with an "i", I think it should be retargeted to Sidney § Places. Beefaloe (formerly SpursySituation) (talk) 12:13, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget actual spelling should have priority over misspellings. The current target doesn't even mention "Sidney". Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:47, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget per nom and Crouch, Swale. Thryduulf (talk) 18:05, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Sidney#Places per everyone. "Sidney" and "Sydney" are plausible misspellings/alternative spellings of each other, but since there are actual places with the name Sidney and the target article doesn't even mention "Sidney," retargeting to the proposed target seems to be the right call. Regards, SONIC678 18:20, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Sidney#Places. I was checking all the links there, and if I'd given up halfway I would have said Sydney was the primary topic, since the vast majority of places on this list have a popluation in the hundreds or thousands only, hardly what I'd call a city, but a few of them are technically incorporated as cities (and at least Sidney, OH has 20k...), so WP:SMALLDETAILS says that we should assume the searcher knows what they are looking for and give them Sidney, not Sydney. The DAB has a link to the Sydney (disambiguation) page at the top as well, so that helps. Fieari (talk) 06:37, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
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Tay Keith, fuck these niggas up!
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 October 7#Tay Keith, fuck these niggas up!
Together California
- The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
- The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 12:55, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
- Together California → Christian Bale (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: //delete ]
Bale founded California Together--not Together California, which appears to be a leggings company. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 04:24, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
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Patient population
- The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
- The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 12:55, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
- Patient population → Population (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: //delete ]
Is there a more specific redirect? Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 04:16, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - The redirect should be converted to an article, not deleted. Patient population and selection methodology are heavily sourced in medical literature.GobsPint (talk) 16:16, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as not specific enough in reference to its target to have certainty the redirect is a useful search term. Steel1943 (talk) 23:56, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per GobsPint's statement that this is worthy of an article, thus WP:REDYES applies. Fieari (talk) 06:45, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
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Allan Cerda
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 October 5#Allan Cerda
Big Yud
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 October 5#Big Yud
Geoffrey Chalmers
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 October 7#Geoffrey Chalmers
Ashchf Lshtshfum
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 October 7#Ashchf Lshtshfum
Mi scusi
- The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
- The result of the discussion was delete. signed, Rosguill talk 16:43, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
Too general a term to be redirected to a film, even if it is a known quote from the film. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 03:39, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
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Affine cone
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 October 8#Affine cone
Unimproved
- The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
- The result of the discussion was delete. signed, Rosguill talk 16:43, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
- Unimproved → Road surface (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: //delete ]
Unimproved road redirects to Dirt road. That said, there are other topics like Unimproved water source or Unimproved sanitation using this word. 1234qwer1234qwer4 01:33, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as very vague. I can imagine how this might have been created instead of a piped link. I don't think "unimproved" alone is a useful search term, but I wouldn't be overly opposed to some kind of disambiguation. A7V2 (talk) 06:29, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Reminds me of the situation with Affordable (Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 April 27#Affordable). Steel1943 (talk) 14:07, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as too vague. Schützenpanzer (Talk) 19:28, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: a general-purpose adjective. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 16:48, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Weak retarget to improvement as {{R from related term}} / {{R from adjective}} /
{{R from antonym|improved}}
, being the state of which prior to improvement -- 64.229.88.34 (talk) 05:23, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Thoughts on retargeting?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 02:08, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- Weak retarget to improvement is fine, as that will give the closest thing to the meaning of the word. BD2412 T 02:49, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to improvement and tag as R from antonym --Lenticel (talk) 01:15, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Searching up "improved" desiring the article Improvement is plausible. "Unimproved" is not. J947 ‡ edits 04:04, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- Piped the term in 3 articles (Oregon Route 58, U.S. Route 191 in Utah, List of Farm to Market Roads in Texas (200–299)) to unimproved road. Targeting to improvement is good in theory, but there is nothing there related to roads, and what does "unimproved" mean if it is not in reference to roads? Delete per J947. Jay 💬 07:53, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
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Isometry (mathematics)
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 October 9#Isometry (mathematics)