- Jeff Ball (composer) (talk||history|logs|links|watch) (XfD|restore)
Ten years ago the argument against listing is that Jeff is not on par in notoriety with composers such as Jeremy Soule. At this point, based on all the games and other media Ball has worked on ad composer, arranger, or performer, his notoriety is comparable to Danny Baranowsky or Rich Vreeland, both of whom have wiki articles.
I received word from wiki user "Warky" that he'd attempted to relist the page with updated info, only to have it pulled down within 24 hours by a mod who accused him of acting as a writer hired by Ball. This is disingenuous at best, conspiratorial gatekeeping nonsense at worst. Warky and myself are enthusiasts. I have been covering game music for decades and I am certain Ball is as noteworthy and accomplished as so many other composers who have pages. This isn't advocacy for one person though, this is asking for fairness and consistency from the wiki moderators, and recognition that a person who was not notable a decade ago may well become more notable over time. Tonelico (talk) 00:50, 9 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- No conspiracy here; we just don't like ads - essentially none of the prose in the deleted page belongs in a neutral encyclopedia article. (Representative sample: "Jeff Ball is an award-winning Los Angeles based music professional who brings many years of music creation to every project. He is a skilled pianist, violinist, and violist, with many years of formal music education.") You're welcome to write an article that isn't indistinguishable from what a writer hired by Ball would write. Endorse as a G11 (like it was tagged); the G4 would be a heck of a stretch, even if the AFD wasn't ten years old. —Cryptic 01:30, 9 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Construe as a G11 and endorse – I can't see the deleted article, but judging from the excerpt above it appears to be identical to this, which is textbook promotionalism. While it's conceivable that Ball is now notable, that's no justification for a non-neutral article that was apparently copied from Fandom. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 05:19, 9 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Per the afd Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jeff Ball (composer) (10 years ago) the subject did not meet WP:COMPOSER, when I looked at the article, there was no obvious improvement. I could have listed G4 or G11 as the reason, I choose G4 as the discussion also implies G11 failure and shows history. I have no objections to the article being recreated as a WP:DRAFT With a historical AfD and the Promotional (G11) look of the last attempt it should not be in main space until it is submitted for review and promoted. Jeepday (talk) 11:48, 9 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- I think that would have been a reasonable G11. There wasn't much prose in the article (it was mostly a massive discography) but what was there was extremely promotional. I don't think it's a valid G4 though. Using G4 to enforce a ten year old AfD with three participants would be a stretch in any case but the article didn't bear much resemblance to the AfDed version. I doubt it would survive a new AfD now though as there wasn't much evidence that the subject meets the GNG, the sources cited were mostly discographies and the like (apart from this interview). I suggest restoring it to draft space for improvement if the OP wants to work on it. Hut 8.5 18:51, 9 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Endorse if an appeal of the old AFD. Robert McClenon (talk) 14:50, 10 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Allow Creation of Draft if a request to create a draft. Robert McClenon (talk) 14:50, 10 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Endorse the ten year old AfD. Can some fresh eyes fix WP:DRVPURPOSE? See WT:DRV. The nominator needs to be shown the advice. —SmokeyJoe (talk) 02:00, 11 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Endorse as a G11, if the question regards the speedy deletion, as the article was clearly promotional and was tagged for G11 prior to deletion. (I believe the deleting admin inadvertently used G4 a second time rather than G11, but regardless a G11 deletion would have been warranted). No prejudice against creating a non-promotional article; if someone feels that's not notable that can be discussed at a new AfD. Seraphimblade Talk to me 05:51, 14 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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