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Category:Populated places in the Middle East

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 October 7#Category:Populated places in the Middle East

Category:Shades of black

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: no consensus. A nomination of the entire tree might find consensus. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 20:48, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: A black horse is not a shade of color, but color black is a defining characteristic of black horses. (BTW: we should do similarly for other subcats in Category:Shades of color, so that one could properly categorize fauna and flora notably associated with particular colors.) fgnievinski (talk) 03:20, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 23:00, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 23:50, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Topical postage stamps

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: merge all as in the updated nomination with no prejudice against recreation if they can be appropriately populated. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 04:06, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Merge all; these categories have three or less items. Omnis Scientia (talk) 19:10, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Thoughts on Cremastra's objection?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 23:36, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Thoughts on Cremastra's objection?
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Category:Medical doctors in British media

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) —Compassionate727 (T·C) 02:20, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Category for a non-defining intersection of unrelated traits. Medical doctors all over the world frequently appear as talking heads and experts in media coverage of health-related topics and/or moonlight as full-on health journalists themselves, so this would be entirely subjective and unmaintainable: should it contain every medical doctor who has ever appeared in media at all, or is there some specific and arbitrary minimum number of media appearances that a medical doctor has to make before they belong in this category?
So "medical doctors in media" is not a defining intersection of traits in its own right, meaning that no Category:Medical doctors in media parent or "Medical doctors in [Any Other Country] media" siblings exist at all, and Britain doesn't have any special need for this if no other country has such a thing. Bearcat (talk) 15:09, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That doesn't make it okay. If no other country has one of these, then the UK doesn't need it either. Bearcat (talk) 17:37, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep anyway, but we should not be doing a three-card-trick, heads we win, tails you lose shuffle with Afd, as has happened before. Perhaps Afd closers should be made to check whether categories proposed as a solution are viable. For the ones I recognised it was defining, indeed the only reason most are notable - do you have examples where it isn't defining? These can be purged. Johnbod (talk) 17:51, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Again, the issue is WP:OCARBITRARY. To be viable, this category would have to impose a cutoff as to how many times the doctor had appeared in media before the category became warranted, and it would be completely unmaintainable without such an arbitrary cutoff — but we don't allow categories with arbitrary cutoff criteria. Bearcat (talk) 17:38, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 23:46, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see that, & as you know "how many times the doctor had appeared in media" is information we will never have. We certainly don't apply this sort of draconian test to other categories. In fact the category seems fairly well-controlled. WP:OTHERSTUFFDOESNTEXIST is no argument. Johnbod (talk) 13:54, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
One isolated media appearance obviously isn't enough to justify adding a doctor to this category in and of itself, so the question of how many appearances does a doctor has to make before the category becomes warranted is both relevant and, as you correctly point out, largely unverifiable. Bearcat (talk) 17:28, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Delete per AusLondoder. Either is unwieldy or arbitrary, neither of which are acceptable in categories. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 16:10, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:People from Southend-on-Sea (district)

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 October 9#Category:People from Southend-on-Sea (district)

Category:Department stores in Southend-On-Sea (town)

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 October 9#Category:Department stores in Southend-On-Sea (town)

Category:Loss of Canadian citizenship by prior Nazi affiliation

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 October 7#Category:Loss of Canadian citizenship by prior Nazi affiliation

Category:How I Met Your Mother navigational boxes

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: merge Category:United States television series navigational boxes and Category:How I Met Your Mother. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 20:54, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Only contains two entrys Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 22:08, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Military intelligence officers of World War II

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: manual merge to Category:World War II intelligence services personnel. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 04:03, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Overlapping categories Mason (talk) 22:06, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:European theatre of World War II people

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 October 7#Category:European theatre of World War II people

Category:Defunct airlines of Anguilla

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: upmerge. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 20:50, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Category containing a single article which is List of defunct airlines of Anguilla. Unhelpful for navigation. AusLondonder (talk) 21:39, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think so because I don't think the included article is suitable for any parent category. AusLondonder (talk) 00:19, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Chinese opera actresses

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure). –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 02:46, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: I think that we should rename this category to make it clearer that this is the genre and not a nationality. Notably the parent is Category:Actors of Chinese opera. Obviously we'd have to consider how the child categories are organized/named, but I think that we could do that in a 2nd cfd to consider options. Mason (talk) 20:04, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:LGBTQ rights in the People's Republic of China

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure). –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 02:46, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: WP:OVERLAPCAT. The "China" category is a parent of the "People's Republic of China" category, and they both categorise the same thing. 1857a (talk) 15:53, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Rome Film Festival

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: delete. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 20:49, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: WP:TOOSOON category without enough content to support it. The Rome Film Festival has not yet had articles created for any prior edition, with the upcoming 2024 festival being the first time such a thing has ever been created -- and while it's possible that the 18 prior editions (as well as future ones) may be added in the future, it's also possible that they won't be.
So this can be recreated if and when three or four other editions also have articles in place to file in it, but four or five articles have to exist first and then the category to contain them comes second, rather than the category existing in advance of content for it. Bearcat (talk) 14:17, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Christian saints from the Ottoman Empire

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The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure). –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 02:46, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: rename per actual content, all articles are about Eastern Orthodox people. No objection to recreation of the original name if saints from the Ottoman Empire of other denominations are identified. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:52, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom. Mason (talk) 20:06, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Greek Orthodox Christians from the Ottoman Empire

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure). –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 02:46, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: rename, aligning with siblings in Category:Eastern Orthodox Christians by nationality. Also, it will become less ambiguous, with the current name "Greek" could be understood as Greek nationality, which however is not the case. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:47, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom. Thank you for digging through this complexity Mason (talk) 20:07, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Uyezds of Grodno Governorate

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: delete. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 20:49, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: delete, redundant category layer with only the eponymous article and a subcategory each. The articles are already in Category:Uezds of Grodno Governorate, the subcategories are already in Category:People from Grodno Governorate so there is nothing left to merge. For context, uezds were second-level administrative divisions of the Russian Empire, governorates were the first-level administrative divisions. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:12, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete all per nom. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 02:47, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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History of Shusha

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: delete. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 20:49, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: delete, only one article in four categories. No need to merge because the article is already in Category:Military history of Shusha. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:50, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Single-article category for Battle of Shusha (2020), not enough evidence of expandability. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 02:48, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Transgender by country

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 October 7#Transgender by country

Quelle: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_28