Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 October 9

October 9

Category:Sexual assaults in the United Kingdom

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The result of the discussion was: delete. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 23:31, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:Sexual assaults in the United Kingdom ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Category about "sexual assaults" which contains only a redirect to a sexual assault referral centre. Serves no purpose. AusLondonder (talk) 23:25, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:35, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete for now per nom, without prejudice against re-creation if it can be populated by at least 5 WP:DEF items. NLeeuw (talk) 06:11, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. ArvindPalaskar (talk) 13:08, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:121st United States Congress

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The result of the discussion was: delete. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 23:14, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:121st United States Congress ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Unhelpful for navigation as only contains a redirect and a subcat full of redirects. Serves no purpose. AusLondonder (talk) 22:27, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

{{United States Senate elections category}} puts Category:2028 United States Senate elections in this by default so otherwise it'd be a redlink category. I don't see how deletion would improve anything, especially as this category will eventually become more populated. Elli (talk | contribs) 22:54, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There's actually no need for that category either, as it currently contains a single existing article and dozens of redirects which should not be categorised per WP:RCAT. AusLondonder (talk) 22:57, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Again, what's the point of not having a category here? All of those redirects will become full articles eventually. I'm not seeing how anyone benefits from deletion. Elli (talk | contribs) 23:34, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
We don't generally create categories before they're actually needed. Someone clicking on Category:2028 United States Senate elections is not going to find a sea of redirects all to the same article useful for navigation. It's effectively a WP:C2F case. AusLondonder (talk) 01:29, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Still not convinced that deletion actually improves anything here. Elli (talk | contribs) 01:59, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, this is very premature. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:38, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete for now per nom, without prejudice against re-creation when it can be populated with at least 5 items that are not redirects and have something substantial to say. Write these articles first. Also WP:CRYSTAL: although it is highly likely that the next U.S. general election will take place in early November 2028, it is possible for the U.S. general election not to take place in 2028. In special circumstances, Congress and States have the power (within certain limit) to move electoral dates or hold special elections on different dates, although elections cannot be suspended or delayed indefinitely (assuming the USA state apparatus will still function within its constitutional framework by then). At any rate, these elections are simply too far into the future to already grant them an elaborate category structure without substantial content. NLeeuw (talk) 06:32, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Herbert Sutcliffe

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The result of the discussion was: delete. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 23:14, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:Herbert Sutcliffe ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary eponymous parent category for a single related article. WP:OCEPON. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars^{Talk to me} 18:56, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:43, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Maki (singer)

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The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Maki (singer) songs and restructure. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 23:18, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:Maki (singer) ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: The main article, a template (that shouldn't even be categorized in a mainspace category) and two song articles are simply not enough to currently warrant an eponymous category. Pichpich (talk) 18:14, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rename and restructure per User:Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars. Also add a description of the category so it is clear what the category is about. Isoceles-sai (talk) 17:51, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rename to Category:Maki (singer) songs to fit under the Songs by artist category scheme and remove the main article and template. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars^{Talk to me} 19:00, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm ok with that. Pichpich (talk) 21:05, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rename and restructure per User:Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars. – Fayenatic London 11:55, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Airliner bombings in the United States

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 October 16#Category:Airliner bombings in the United States

Category:Aviation accidents and incidents caused by missile shootdowns

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 October 16#Category:Aviation accidents and incidents caused by missile shootdowns

Category:Aviation accidents and incidents caused by fighter aircraft shootdowns

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 October 16#Category:Aviation accidents and incidents caused by fighter aircraft shootdowns

Category:Constituencies of the National Assembly of Botswana (historic)

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The result of the discussion was: rename Category:Constituencies of the National Assembly of Botswana (historic) to Category:Historic constituencies of the National Assembly of Botswana, and dual upmerge the subcategories to the newly renamed Category:Historic constituencies of the National Assembly of Botswana and the relevant Constituencies in FOO category. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 23:25, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:Constituencies of the National Assembly of Botswana (historic) to Category:Former constituencies of Botswana
Propose ~~deleting~~ merging Category:Defunct Botswana constituencies to the above

Nominator's rationale: Consistency with parent Category:Former constituencies. The "defunct" category duplicates the content. – Fayenatic London 13:36, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support deleting "Category:Defunct Botswana constituencies" and oppose the proposal to rename "Category:Constituencies of the National Assembly of Botswana (historic) to Category:Former constituencies of Botswana", I think it serves as a good parent cat as is.

Aficionado538 (talk) 14:26, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have changed deletion to merger as Aficionado538 has added two more to the "Defunct" category. As for the name, no others in Category:Former constituencies append "(historic)", but some start with "Historic" rather than "Former". Can we compromise on Category:Historic constituencies of the National Assembly of Botswana? – Fayenatic London 11:46, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That's fine. Aficionado538 (talk) 11:51, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comments are welcome on whether to also nominate the sub-cats for merging to both parents in each case. – Fayenatic London 13:40, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Per nom's question, it certainly makes sense to upmerge the subcategories with 1 + 1 + 2 articles. The current scheme is not helpful for navigation. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:11, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: I will add the subcategories to this nomination.
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I have no opinion on whether this is a good idea or not. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 00:54, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support in principle, these aren't helpful for navigation, but dual merge, also to their other parent category. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:15, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- I have amended the list, adding the other parents. – Fayenatic London 11:46, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Thoughts on Marcocapelle's comment?
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Category:Recipients of KLF Award

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The result of the discussion was: delete. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 23:33, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:Recipients of KLF Award ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Single entry, limited scope. Veldsenk (talk) 13:37, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, also per WP:OCAWARD. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:58, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete It's not treated as defining in that one article; mentioned in passing. - RevelationDirect (talk) 15:17, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom & discussion above. Ratnahastin (talk) 05:25, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:LGBTQ-related suicides

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 October 16#Category:LGBTQ-related suicides

Category:People of Mexican side in the Texas Revolution

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The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Mexican Republic combatants of the Texas Revolution. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 23:31, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:People of Mexican side in the Texas Revolution to Category:Mexican people of the Texas Revolution

Nominator's rationale: The current name sounds awkward and is confusing/inconsistent Mason (talk) 01:53, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Technically both sides were Mexican people when the revolution started. Perhaps Category:Pro-Mexico people of the Texas Revolution? Marcocapelle (talk) 06:47, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Thoughts on Marcocapelle's suggestion?
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Good point. I don't love the suggestion, but it is an improvement. Mason (talk) 11:45, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment both suggestions seem awkwardly worded and somewhat ambiguous ("Pro-Mexico people" could include, for example, Pope Gregory XVI). ~~Suggest Category:Mexican Republic combatants in the Texas Revolution.~~ Carguychris (talk) 19:52, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That is fine with me. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:03, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Smasongarrison: Thoughts on this name? HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 03:05, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's pretty good. I think it should say "of" not "in" because the norm for wars/conflicts is "of". Mason (talk) 03:14, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Smasongarrison, @Marcocapelle, @HouseBlaster, agreed. Category:Mexican Republic combatants of the Texas Revolution it shall be. Will edit my initial post momentarily. Carguychris (talk) 20:36, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Thoughts on Mason's suggestion?
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Agree, "of" is used more often. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:07, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It depends.

If we want to include only regular military personnel of Mexico, then the name should be Mexican military personnel of the Texas Revolution (somewhat equivalent to sibling Category:Army of the Republic of Texas personnel killed in the Texas Revolution, except that not all of them were killed).
If we want to include regular military personnel AND irregular combatants, but exclude civilians, then Mexican Republic combatants of the Texas Revolution is the best option per Carguychris (& Mason).
If we want to include all civilian, regular and irregular participants, then Pro-Mexican people of the Texas Revolution is the best option per Category:Pro-Russian people of the Russo-Ukrainian War and Category:Pro-Ukrainian people of the Russo-Ukrainian War. NLeeuw (talk) 06:29, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It looks like all articles in this category is military personnel. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:40, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Marcocapelle, @Nederlandse Leeuw, I thought "combatants" would be better because I'm concerned that a standalone category for irregulars and militia would be extremely small and would probably wind up CfD'd. If we want to include regular military personnel AND irregular combatants, but exclude civilians, then Mexican Republic combatants of the Texas Revolution is the best option... Yes, that was my intent. Carguychris (talk) 20:43, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Then I support Option 2 Mexican Republic combatants as well (thus including irregulars, but excluding civilians like Pope Gregory XVI). Looks like we're heading for a consensus. NLeeuw (talk) 22:27, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sounds good to me! Mason (talk) 22:31, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Southend-on-Sea (district)

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus with no prejudice against speedy renomination. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 23:48, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Category:Southend-on-Sea (district) to Category:Southend-on-Sea

Nominator's rationale: As per discussion at AFD for County Borough of Southend-on-Sea, the boundaries for the city and district are the same. Eastbourne is good example of this which has one category for the whole town and district.Davidstewartharvey (talk) 06:15, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Eastbourne is not the same as it is completely unparished unlike Southend (and as noted below the district article was kept). Southend actually has 3 potential definitions that we could use namely the smallest being the part of the district which has "Southend-on-Sea" as the post town, the next smallest being the unparished area which roughly covers both Southend and Westcliff-on-Sea post towns namely excluding Leigh-on-Sea parish and the largest being the whole district. There is also Southend Urban Area but in 2021 the was urban areas/BUAs seems to have changed so it may not still exist. That said I'm not sure maintaining separate categories for the settlement/unparished area and district is helpful as categories are generally less granular than articles so it may well be better to just merge all into 1 category covering all definitions. Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:45, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
But the parished area (leigh) falls within the wider Southend UA border. If anything Leigh should have its own category? Davidstewartharvey (talk) 10:50, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes Leigh probably should have its own category namely for the area covered by the parish. We have other parishes with categories, see Category:Civil parishes in Essex. All the other articles that are in the unparished area could go in the categories for the settlement. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:05, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. The latter category is for the traditional town of Southend-on-Sea, not the wider district. -- Necrothesp (talk) 10:23, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
In the case of somewhere like Colchester, where the boundaries of the district are outside the city boundaries I can understand having separate categories (Colchester (town) and Boroughof Colchester), but Southend District and city boundaries are the same. Davidstewartharvey (talk) 10:57, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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As there isn't any evidence so far that the district and the town wouldn't be coterminous, we should just follow what happened in article space. A downmerge seems to be the obvious consequence. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:24, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Category:People from Southend-on-Sea (district)

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus with no prejudice against speedy renomination. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 23:47, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Category:People from Southend-on-Sea (district) to Category:People from Southend-on-Sea

Nominator's rationale: As per AFD at County Borough of Southend-on-Sea, the boundaries between City and district are the same. Also there are individual category pages for suburbs of Southend.Davidstewartharvey (talk) 06:24, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. The latter category is for people from the traditional town of Southend-on-Sea, not the wider district, hence the subcats of the district category. -- Necrothesp (talk) 10:21, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- So what is the traditional town of Southend? Read any history book and the town is seen as the whole not its parts after they were absorbed into the district. Also Colchester only has one category, People from Colchester, and then separate categories for the other localities in the district, which Southend does with People from Westcliff-on-Sea and People from Leigh on Sea already existing. Therefore a district category is not required.Davidstewartharvey (talk) 11:04, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  - We could use Category:People Southend-on-Sea (district) as a Container category with People from Westcliff-on-Sea etc linked to that? And have a separate People from Southend-on-Sea- much like London has?

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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As there isn't any evidence so far that the district and the town wouldn't be coterminous, we should just follow what happened in article space. A downmerge seems to be the obvious consequence. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:33, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Department stores in Southend-On-Sea (town)

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus with no prejudice against speedy renomination. Typos can be fixed following the process at WP:CFDS (see WP:C2A). HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 23:47, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:Department stores in Southend-On-Sea (town) to Category:Department stores of Southend-on-Sea

Nominator's rationale: Southend is now a city. As per afd on County Borough of Southend-on-Sea, there is no differentation between the city and district boundaries.Davidstewartharvey (talk) 06:20, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Its incorrectly capitalized so should be moved to Category:Department stores in Southend-on-Sea (town) if kept as is but it maybe can just go to the base name. Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:59, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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This should follow in line with the other two discussions on this and the next log page. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:35, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Professorships in theology

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The result of the discussion was: merge. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 23:29, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Category:Professorships in theology to Category:Professorships in divinity

Nominator's rationale: Overlaping underpopulated category Mason (talk) 03:50, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge or reverse merge per nom. Correct me if I am wrong, but I suspect that "divinity" is the older form and "theology" is more modern. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:12, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge up per nom. Side note, my anecdotal understanding is that "divinity" is the more ancient name for the discipline (reflected in degrees, professorships etc) ~~and I was surprised not see this discussed at Theology § History of academic discipline~~. Divinity (academic discipline) exists but that section of the Theology article is a bit of a mess... but that's a discussion for elsewhere. ClaudineChionh (she/her · talk · contribs · email) 07:47, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Aviation accidents and incidents caused by auxiliary equipment failure

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The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Aviation accidents and incidents involving engineering failures. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 23:29, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:Aviation accidents and incidents caused by auxiliary equipment failure ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Category name is excessively vague and therefore violates WP:SUBJECTIVECAT. There is little agreement in the aviation community as to what constitutes "auxiliary equipment". Carguychris (talk) 17:29, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please suggest a merge target. Mason (talk) 21:31, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That is difficult given the ambiguity of the current name. The sole current article in the category, TWA Flight 529, crashed due to an elevator failure. Perhaps Category:Aviation accidents and incidents involving flight control failure? The underlying issue is the lack of a consistent, unambiguous definition for "auxiliary equipment". "Flight control" is considerably easier to define, but is also ambiguous to some degree. All that being said, I'm also concerned that creating myriad aircraft accident categories by cause may lead to WP:ARBITRARYCAT and WP:NARROWCAT concerns. Carguychris (talk) 21:42, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge or delete. The default in a case like this is to merge it to the parent category(ies), in this case Category:Aviation accidents and incidents involving engineering failures. If that is not an appropriate merge target in this case, I'd like to hear why not. Marcocapelle (talk) 02:53, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Thoughts on Marcocapelle's merge target?
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Support merge per Marco. Mason (talk) 22:32, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Religion in the Middle East

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus. A nomination to merge West Asia(n) to Middle East(ern) might find consensus, but there is not consensus to do anything in this particular discussion. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 17:14, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Category:Religion in the Middle East to Category:Religion in West Asia
Propose renaming Category:Religion in the Middle East by city to Category:Religion in West Asia by city
Propose renaming Category:Christianity in the Middle East by city to Category:Christianity in West Asia by city
Propose renaming Category:Jews and Judaism in the Middle East by city to Category:Jews and Judaism in West Asia by city
Propose merging Category:Islam in the Middle East to Category:Islam in West Asia
Propose renaming Category:Secularism in the Middle East to Category:Secularism in West Asia
Propose renaming Category:Irreligion in the Middle East to Category:Irreligion in West Asia
Propose merging Category:Jews and Judaism in the Middle East to Category:Jews and Judaism in West Asia
Propose merging Category:Christianity in the Middle East to Category:Christianity in West Asia
Propose merging Category:Bahá'í Faith in the Middle East to Category:Bahá'í Faith in West Asia
Propose merging Category:Middle Eastern people by religion to Category:West Asian people by religion
Propose merging Category:Middle Eastern Jews to Category:West Asian Jews
Propose merging Category:Middle Eastern Muslims to Category:West Asian Muslims
Propose renaming Category:Middle Eastern Islamists to Category:West Asian Islamists
Propose merging Category:Middle Eastern Christians to Category:West Asian Christians
Propose merging Category:Middle Eastern Bahá'ís to Category:West Asian Bahá'ís
Propose renaming Category:Middle Eastern atheists to Category:West Asian atheists
Propose renaming Category:Middle Eastern agnostics to Category:West Asian agnostics

Nominator's rationale: West Asia and the Middle East largely overlap, so we do not need both category trees. It is better to keep West Asia because it is consistent with other subcategories in Category:Religion in Asia by region. Sakakami (talk) 18:56, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge or reverse merge per nom and rename dependent on the merge direction. There is also this discussion which is still open. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:05, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Strongly oppose - The reason these categories "largely overlap" is entirely because the regions themselves "largely overlap". An incovenient fact, perhaps, but a reality that Wikipedia is bound to respect - and that our categories must reflect. (There are many other overlapping category trees that we maintain simply because they reflect aspects of the real world.) Furthermore, the term "Middle East" is well-known to the great majority of readers, who are unlikely to be familiar with the term "West Asia". Anomalous+0 (talk) 07:56, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I presume that overlapping categories nearly always match with overlapping realities, so I can't see that as a reason for not applying WP:OVERLAPCAT. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:18, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Middle East is a more common name than West Asia. Andre🚐 00:02, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Oppose and reverse merge per the ridiculously one-sided Ngram of "Middle East" vs. "West Asia" vs. "Western Asia", and WP:OVERLAPCAT. Countries get dropped in either direction, so it makes the most sense to choose the direction that's least WP:ASTONISHing. ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf) 12:42, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - LTA sock removing "Middle East"/moving "Middle East" to "West Asia". ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf) 17:09, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisting comment: I will tag the West Asian categories to allow for a reverse merge.
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Propose merging Category:Religion in West Asia to Category:Religion in the Middle East
Propose merging Category:Islam in West Asia to Category:Islam in the Middle East
Propose merging Category:Jews and Judaism in West Asia to Category:Jews and Judaism in the Middle East
Propose merging Category:Christianity in West Asia to Category:Christianity in the Middle East
Propose merging Category:Bahá'í Faith in West Asia to Category:Bahá'í Faith in the Middle East
Propose merging Category:West Asian people by religion to Category:Middle Eastern people by religion
Propose merging Category:West Asian Jews to Category:Middle Eastern Jews
Propose merging Category:West Asian Muslims to Category:Middle Eastern Muslims
Propose merging Category:West Asian Christians to Category:Middle Eastern Christians
Propose merging Category:West Asian Bahá'ís to Category:Middle Eastern Bahá'ís
No opinion on whether this is a good idea or not. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 04:02, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support reverse merge from West Asia to Middle East & support reverting/reversing all of nom's similar edits. ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf) 11:21, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose reverse merge from West Asia to Middle East, as the Caucasus is not generally considered part of the Middle East. Perhaps it makes best sense to keep both. Purge and restructure where appropriate to avoid duplication; places that have a Middle East parent don't need to be directly in a West Asia grandparent. – Fayenatic London 12:04, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

With a reverse merge we can and should purge Caucasian countries. I do not regard this as an objection to merging per se. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:51, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- What sort of purge? I would oppose removal altogether from the hierarchy of Category:West Asia. That has immediate subcats for Caucasus and Middle East, and Aronlee90 has recently created Religion in the Caucasus, so perhaps a good outcome would be to populate that more fully, and to add Category:Caucasus people within West Asian people. – Fayenatic London 14:34, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Church of Sweden clergymen in Colonial North America

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The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Church of Sweden clergy from the Thirteen Colonies. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 23:29, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Category:Church of Sweden clergymen in Colonial North America to Category:American Lutheran clergy

Nominator's rationale: This category is extremely narrow. I think it should either be merged to 17th/18th century American Lutheran clergy or renamed to Church of Sweden clergy from the Thirteen Colonies Mason (talk) 03:28, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If not kept then delete, because all articles are already in Category:17th-century American Lutheran clergy or Category:18th-century American Lutheran clergy. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:15, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as Church of Sweden clergy from the Thirteen Colonies; much better than my original. Creuzbourg (talk) 13:33, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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If not merged/deleted, then rename as Creuzbourg suggested. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:16, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Rename per Creuzbourg and reparent accordingly. – Fayenatic London 12:08, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
My rationale for a separate, albeit small, category is that these clerics were paid for by the Swedish government, until U.S. independence. The background is found in the close connections between the Church of Sweden and the Church of England. Jesper Svedberg, the first bishop in charge of Swedish Lutheran clergy in America, saw the C of E as a sister church to the C of S. There are several more individuals that eventually can be added. The category is of importance for Swedish-American and Swedish history. Creuzbourg (talk) 14:05, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Prohibition-era gangsters

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Category:Urdu-language women writers

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Category:Indian women translators

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The result of the discussion was: delete. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 23:26, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose splitting Category:Indian women translators to Category:Indian translators and Category:Indian women linguists

Nominator's rationale: Non-defining intersection between nationality, gender, and genre of writing, per WP:EGRS Mason (talk) 13:32, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Agree in principle, but I wonder about Category:Indian women linguists as a target: is every translator by definition a linguist? Also, merging to Category:Indian translators doesn't seem necessary since the articles are already in a century subcat of it. So perhaps simply delete. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:03, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I was basing the target on the fact that it's typically a parent category, but I haven't thought deeply about whether translators are also defined as being linguists. Mason (talk) 02:10, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

So then I suppose it can be deleted instead of merged. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:29, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yep Mason (talk) 12:24, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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