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Category:Members of the Yorkshire Naturalists' Union

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 August 22#Category:Members of the Yorkshire Naturalists' Union

Category:Medieval Ukrainian people

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 August 22#Category:Medieval Ukrainian people

20th century in Yugoslavia

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: manual merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 10:05, 22 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: manually merge and re-parent targets, as duplicates, since Yugoslavia was wholly in the 20th century. The merge should be done manually because quite some content is already deeper in the tree of every target. But, the 20th-century parent categories should be added to the targets, so that the Yugoslav categories still remain part of the tree of the 20th century. This is the same as for Czechoslovakia in this earlier discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:55, 6 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Yugoslavia's case is more complicated than Czechoslovakia's because Serbia and Montenegro was called "Federal Republic of Yugoslavia" up to 2003. Category:21st century in Yugoslavia therefore exists. –Vipz (talk) 00:01, 7 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Category:Canadian trade unionists of Italian descent

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 August 22#Category:Canadian trade unionists of Italian descent

Category:Medieval rulers of Thessaly

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Monarchs of Thessaly, purge and reparent. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 10:29, 22 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: WP:ARBITRARYCAT WP:REDUNDANTFORK. What "Thessaly" or "Medieval Thessaly" means here is unclear and ambiguous, ranging from "Epirus" to "Thessaly" to Empire of Thessalonica. What is meant by "ruler" here is also unclear. Many people are already in Category:Komnenodoukas dynasty, so perhaps a lot of this is just a WP:REDUNDANTFORK. It also contains two Ottoman governors, a self-proclaimed Serbo-Greek emperor, a "ruler" who became a monk, and a Serbian "magnate"/"general". It's a lot of people vaguely "Thessalian", "medieval" and "ruler" lumped together. Upmerging seems best for now. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 22:49, 29 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:3rd-millennium executions

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 10:09, 22 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT. 1 C, 0 P. I think it goes without saying that there won't be "potential for growth" for another 77 years. That executions will take place in the 22nd century is entirely plausible (though hopefully won't be necessary), but assuming such in advance is still WP:CRYSTAL. Most of us probably won't be around anymore if it happens; until that time, this is a redundant layer. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 22:01, 29 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Most topics do not warrant categorization by millennium, and cannot possibly contain future events. But in this case, we have five millennium categories for executions, from the 2nd millennium BC to present, and all except the 2nd millennium BC are further subdivided by century. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 01:05, 30 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • It is a case where you may question the usefulness of millennia categories as a whole. Millennia are primarily relevant in prehistory. By century may well suffice here. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:08, 30 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Yes, I question the usefulness of millennia categories as a whole in this case, and potentially other cases. Both of you agree already to Delete Category:4th-millennium BC deaths; I think the two cases are very similar. The latter will probably never be useful, while "3rd-millennium executions" won't be useful until we reach the year 2100 and we've got at least 3/5/10/whatever minimal number of items Wikipedia (if it still exists then, which I strongly hope) will require then to create a new category. Creating this category now is just very premature, and will not ease navigation for another 77 years. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 16:52, 30 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Millennia categories are useful for navigation. Dimadick (talk) 06:20, 31 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I disagree. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 10:23, 2 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:13th-century Russian women

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Category:Songs written by RM (rapper)

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The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 10:12, 22 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: The category needs to be renamed as his article title is now RM (musician) rather than RM (rapper). Btspurplegalaxy 💬 🖊️ 20:20, 14 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Eastern Orthodoxy in Thessaloniki

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 10:12, 22 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: delete, redundant category layer with only one subcategory. A merge is not necessary, the subcat is adequately parented. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:56, 14 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Lombardic queens consort

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The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 10:13, 22 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: To align with main article List of queens consort of the Lombards, which I have just WP:BOLDly renamed from List of queens of the Lombards according to what the opening sentence already said: The queens consort of the Lombards were the wives of the Lombardic kings (...). I did that to better distinguish them from the queens consort of the 19th-century Kingdom of Lombardy–Venetia. 3 women from the latter were miscategorised as "queens consort of the Lombards"; I transferred them to Category:People of the Kingdom of Lombardy–Venetia instead. Because the main article has thus been recently renamed without discussion, WP:C2D does not apply and I'm submitting it for full CFD, but I reckon people will agree. Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 16:11, 14 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:The House of the Dead character redirects to lists

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Category:Office-holders by country

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The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Office-holders by country of work and remove Judges by nationality subcat. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 10:21, 22 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Mixup between two trees: Category:People by occupation and country (people by the country where they work, regardless of their nationality) and Category:People by occupation and nationality (people by their nationality, regardless of the country where they work). Neither of these is currently a parent of this category, but the 5 children show the two trees mixing up:
Follow-up to Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 August 2#Category:Sports coaches by country, leading to Category:Sports coaches by country to be Renamed to Category:Sports coaches by country of work for better distinction from Category:Sports coaches by nationality. Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 15:45, 14 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Missing person cases by country

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Category:Antiquity (journal) people

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 10:15, 22 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: This category purports to contain "staff, members of its Editorial Advisory Board, Trustees or frequent contributors". None of these, however, are defining characteristics. Editorial board members, for example, are only listed in an article on a journal in the extremely rare cases that there are reliable sources independent of the subject discussing their importance for that journal. Similarly, authors (no matter how notable they may be) are only included in a journal article in the even rarer case that there are independent sources attesting to the importance of an author for a journal. Conversely, I cannot even remember a single case where publishing in a certain journal was mentioned other than in passing in articles on academics. The only exception that I see are persons that have been editor-in-chief of a journal (which makes those individuals meet WP:ACADEMIC). In short, it is difficult to see how this category is defining for any of the academics currently included. Hence: delete. Randykitty (talk) 10:41, 14 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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