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November 27

Category:Fictional transmorphs

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The result of the discussion was: Merge to Category:Fictional shapeshifters. Vegaswikian (talk) 22:18, 7 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Fictional transmorphs ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Delete Categrorising fictional shapeshifters under a neologism. Outmerge the articles to Category:Fictional shapeshifters if appropriate and then Delete this cat.J Greb (talk) 23:54, 27 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Merge per nom. Interesting though the word itself is by having a rare three and four consecutive consonants (although it is beaten by "watchstrap"), a quick search shows no definition from a reliable source. --Rodhullandemu 00:07, 28 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Corinne Bailey Rae

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:14, 15 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Corinne Bailey Rae ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Delete There is no reason for this umbrella category - artist has not released enough material to warrant it and she already has the basic album/songs categories, which is more than enough. eo (talk) 15:04, 18 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Good Ol’factory (talk) 22:57, 27 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:British people of Indo-Guyanese descent

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The result of the discussion was: Keep --Philosopher Let us reason together. 21:21, 11 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Category:British people of Indo-Guyanese descent ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Delete Seems to be an example of overcategorisation, based on an intersection of ethnicities already covered by existing categories such as Category:British people of Indian descent and Category:British people of Guyanese descent. Furthermore, the people included in the category arguably shouldn't be given the advice that "people should only be categorized by ethnicity or religion if this has significant bearing on their career". Cordless Larry (talk) 17:56, 18 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
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Category:Groups

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The result of the discussion was: Rename Category:Groups to Category:Groups (military aviation) and the others per nom. I think this is where consensus was for the top one. The other two seem to have been forgotten in the discussion so if the new names need to be reconsidered I will not object to a follow on nomination. As noted in the discussion, there may be other categories that need a rename following this one. Vegaswikian (talk) 03:59, 11 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming:
Nominator's rationale: Rename. The current name is ambiguous. --Eliyak T·C 02:09, 16 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
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Category:American journalists by publication

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The result of the discussion was: Rename to Category:Journalists by publication in the United States. Vegaswikian (talk) 22:15, 7 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming Category:American journalists by publication to Category:Journalists by American publication
Nominator's rationale: Rename, to accurately reflect what this is actually categorizing. The subcategories are by publication, not by the nationality of the journalists, so there is no reason to believe that all the entries in Category:New York Times people, for example, are American just because it's an American newspaper. An alternative could be to rename to Category:Journalists by publication in the United States. Postdlf (talk) 21:02, 27 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:History of France by city

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The result of the discussion was: Merge. Vegaswikian (talk) 22:12, 7 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Suggest merging Category:History of France by city to Category:Histories of cities in France
Nominator's rationale: Merge to match other inhabitants of Category:History by country and city. Also, "Histories of cities" appeals to me more because these cities often predate the modern countries. --Eliyak T·C 19:42, 27 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Macau Grand Prix drivers

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The result of the discussion was: Delete. Vegaswikian (talk) 03:52, 11 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Macau Grand Prix drivers ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Delete Highly indiscriminate category for a Formula 3 race. Karpouzi (talk) 16:40, 27 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:US-guitarist

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The result of the discussion was: Delete (category is empty, so apparently already merged). VegaDark (talk) 17:58, 5 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Category:US-guitarist ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Delete Oddly-named category, and a duplicate of Category:American guitarists. - Dudesleeper / Talk 11:09, 27 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

i do appreciate your feedback on this subject - i do wonder if, a collection of US guitarists who are not always considered "rock" players may be valid. i.e. george benson, les paul, and wes montgomery may not be considered "rock" guitarists, but they are "US" guitarists...much obliged! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dljone9 (talk • contribs) 11:18, 27 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

many thanks for the observation - is it worth considering that, a guitar player can be US based, but not "American"?? i.e. robbie robertson and neil young, who were from canada but may live in the US now?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dljone9 (talk • contribs) 11:32, 27 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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Category:Argentine people by occupation

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The result of the discussion was: Keep at current location. --Philosopher Let us reason together. 21:18, 11 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming Category:Argentine people by occupation to Category:Argentinian people by occupation
Nominator's rationale: Rename, along with ALL subcategories. All the other countries use the adjective form, except those with compound names (which makes using adjectives awkward if impossible). Headbomb {ταλκκοντριβςWP Physics} 07:24, 27 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • I guess it's fallen to me to "break the news" to you, Headbomb. (I realize that you're fairly new to CFD procedures.) If you're serious about renaming all of these categories, every one of them will need to be properly tagged. Given the sheer number, you may want to request the assistance of a bot. However, I think you should bear in mind that this discussion will also implicate Category:Argentine people as well as all of its 100s of other sub-categories -- all of which (to the best of my knowledge) use "Argentine". And lastly, I'm pretty sure this exact issue has been discussed previously, resulting in the current naming convention. So changing to "Argentinian" would be a very uphill battle, to say the least. But of course, you are free to proceed if you feel strongly about it. Cgingold (talk) 13:12, 27 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. A fair number of precedents exist for using "Argentine" instead of "Argentinian" or "Argentino", all 3 of which are in the OED (but the primary entry is under "Argentine"). There's probably nothing wrong per se with changing all of them, but why bother when they seem to be consistent and we seem to be using one that is endorsed by reliable sources? Good Ol’factory (talk) 21:05, 27 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Usage amongst sources is mixed. Prior to today, the only usage I've seen was Argentinians (or sometimes Argentineans). Headbomb {ταλκκοντριβςWP Physics} 22:34, 27 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
It sounds like you might be confusing nouns with adjectives. "Argentineans" may well be the most common noun form, but that doesn't mean that "Argentine" isn't the more common adjective form. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:24, 28 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Argentine" is in consistent use across the category system. "Category:Argentine" returns 1,603 results. "Category:Argentinian" returns seven, of which only four are actual category names. "Category:Argentinean" returns zero results. "Argentinean" itself only turns up 85 results, many of which are redirects to a category or page using "Argentine". Otto4711 (talk) 00:40, 28 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. Headbomb, I also prefer the term Argentinian to Argentine (Argentinean always looks like a typo to me, but that's by the by) - despite that, I oppose this for the simple reason that Argentine is a perfectly acceptable adjectival form of the demonym for people and things from Argentina (I suspect the difference may be at least partly preferences between the UK and US). In fact, if google is anything to judge by, it's a far more common term to use (23.6m WP-free google hits for Argentine, 3.1m for Argentinian, 1.5m for Argentinean). Argentina simply happens to be a country with two three acceptable demonym forms, that's all. At some point in Wikipedia's history, the form Argentine was chosen, and all categories and articles were standardised to that. Things were changed for the sake of consistency, and you're simply finding a different inconsistency where there isn't one. Grutness...wha? 23:16, 27 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Battleships of Australia

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The result of the discussion was: Speedy delete per CSD C1. Nick-D (talk) 07:48, 27 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Battleships of Australia ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Delete Empty category. The only article that was previously in this category was HMVS Cerberus which was miscategorised: the ship was a breastwork monitor, not a battleship. No other articles are appropriate for this category: the largest non-aircraft carrier warship operated by an Australian navy was the battlecruiser HMAS Australia (1911). -- saberwyn 06:33, 27 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Cerberus class battleships

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The result of the discussion was: Speedy delete per CSD C1: the category was empty. Nick-D (talk) 07:47, 27 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Cerberus class battleships ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Delete Following discussions at Talk:Cerberus class battleship and Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history/Australian military history task force#Cerberus class battleship?, it was determined that the article Cerberus class battleship was misnamed, which was then moved to to the more appropriate Cerberus class monitor. As such, this category is also misnamed, and has been superseded by Category:Cerberus class monitors -- saberwyn 06:26, 27 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Argentine physicists

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The result of the discussion was: Withdrawn by nominator. Non-admin close. It's worth noting that Category:Argentine scientists and all of it's sub-cats use "Argentine", not "Argentinian". Cgingold (talk) 07:29, 27 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming Category:Argentine physicists to Category:Argentinian physicists
Nominator's rationale: Rename. Self-explanatory Headbomb {ταλκκοντριβςWP Physics} 06:23, 27 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - the vast majority of subcats that categorize people from Argentina use "Argentine". I see nothing in this nomination that indicates that "Argentine" is incorrect or that this one category should be changed in isolation. Otto4711 (talk) 06:43, 27 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Close this. I'll propose something different.Headbomb {ταλκκοντριβςWP Physics} 07:21, 27 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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Category:People by city

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The result of the discussion was: Rename. Vegaswikian (talk) 22:10, 7 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Category:People by city ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)


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Category:Basketball players from Georgia

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The result of the discussion was: Merge. Vegaswikian (talk) 22:08, 7 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Suggest merging Category:Basketball players from Georgia to Category:Basketball players from Georgia (U.S. state)
Nominator's rationale: with the disambiguate 'U.S. state' is conventional Mayumashu (talk) 02:18, 27 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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